01-28-2015, 01:45 PM #1
NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #22
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01-28-2015, 03:49 PM #2
I am still here following for Steven. I am saddened that NOTHING has come to light about his disappearance. I do NOT believe it was voluntary.
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01-28-2015, 04:55 PM #3There but for the grace of God go I
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Still thinking of Steven.Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)
01-30-2015, 10:30 PM #4
I looked at the video of SK parking his car in the cul de sac. A white SUV was following him, whether deliberately or not. As SK walks down the block and turns to the left the SUV appears to be tailing him, take a look on You Tube. Thoughts ? The SUV was supposedly being operated by a real estate agent who claimed she never saw SK or his car (according to what I've read). Likely ?
01-30-2015, 11:54 PM #5Registered User
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The white SUV was discussed in depth throughout this thread. There is additional video showing the woman driving the SUV picking up her Mother, and then later dropping her off. The white SUV isn't involved.
02-01-2015, 12:58 PM #6
After reviewing a number of the earlier post I have to agree that SK was likely homosexual. His reasons for quitting his job (having to work late) when he was single and no children, moving to an out of the way, depressed town, close to LV and subsequent actions logically point to moving into a new lifestyle. The Henderson episode was probably meeting an older (modsnip). Look for SK in the Gay community, gay mecca's, etc. (modsnip) Case closed.
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02-01-2015, 09:53 PM #7Registered User
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I must chime in.* I am a native Las Vegasican... Vegican... Vegetarian?
Just trying to lighten the mood... I feel very strangely connected to Steven.* You see, i see his actions prior to disappearing,* and i see myself,* almost at the exact same time period.
I was terribly, hopelessly addicted to oxy.* I nearly lost my family.* I literally have been to every single place his phone pinged on that fateful day,* numerous times.* All to score oxy.
I really believe i can shed light on what happened,* simply because his behavior is not in anyway erratic to me.
Actually,* i don't think he was addicted to pills at all.* I have no doubt in my mind he was on pills though.
So, let me start off by saying,* i know nothing of this case beyond the timeline provided.* The timeline does not in anyway give text messages,* or times he tried to check his vm.* It doesn't say if he used his phone,* or it just grabbed a location as he was passing by. Actually,* i am not even sure if those final locations are specific to his phone,* or just where the cell tower is.
Anyway,* i have extensive experience in door to door sales in Vegas,* and handing out flyers for promotional purposes.
On a side note,* those that don't think flyers,* or door knocking works, you could NOT be more wrong.*
Direct door sales account for nearly 90% of all new customers,* and i don't mean for THs little window washing thing.* I am talking Fortune 500 companies.* Global companies.
Sparklettes,* Century Link,* Cox, Time Warner,* Terminix. If i told you how much i used to make,* you simply would not believe it.
Moving on.* I have two theories,* that i am honestly shocked have NEVER been shared.* What's more,* is i would bet my life one of them is dead on the money what happened to Steven.
Sadly,* they do not end well for him.
Btw,* the Sinaloa Cartel nonsense earlier in these threads is complete and utter nonsense.** I have no doubt the person was ordering drugs from "the company" as we call it,* but they had no knowledge of the stash house,* and no leader showed up,* in a truck,* to deliver drugs to a house.* It simply does not work that way.*
You meet them,* at a crowded place,* YOU GET INTO THEIR CAR,* which is ALWAYS a nice 4 door,* sometimes with the back door handles completely missing so nobody can jump in the back. Then you tell them what you want.
They do not ask on the phone,* and they damn sure are not walking up to an unknown residence where they can get robbed...or..well disappear, like Steven. And forgetting to get money? It's ridiculous.
Steven had NOTHING to do with any Cartel.* Nothing.
Further, the whole "sneaking off to be gay" thing is downright laughable. Maybe 4 years and 9 months ago, but it's 2015. Steven is not maintaining radio silence from his family, including the death of his father, because he likes men.
In fact, this theory should be insulting to gay people everywhere. I won't deny he may have been sorting through some stuff, and he may even have gone to sca to experiment with an older, gay man.
But he is not willingly hiding because of it.
Stevens problems started way back at home.* Not Vegas.
I will make separate posts to distinguish between theories, and to avoid an absolute travesty wall of text.
02-01-2015, 09:54 PM #8Registered User
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No idea where all those asterisks came from... Or why this EDIT actually posted as a reply.
02-01-2015, 10:04 PM #9Registered User
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Theory 1: Steven is a good boy!
OK,* so let's get away from drugs for a second.* Let's assume for some reason only God knows, Steven drove 1100 miles for grits and shins, without telling anyone,* and then drove to Vegas,* without telling anyone... Even though it was completely innocent...with ZERO trail.
If we can believe this,* i can sell you some great swamp land,* but also that would mean Steven had no second phone,* as it was totally innocent right? No need to carry a burner if you're everything (and nothing more) your family insists,* even 5 years later.
Perhaps,* because Steven had passed out flyers before,* he happened to be in Vegas... Ran into someone who he happened to talk to,* who offered him a job passing flyers in Vegas.* Steven would not blow off church for this, or he would have already blown it off for TH and been passing them out in his home town.
Since he is in Vegas,* with no cell activity pointing to Vegas,* we have to assume he blew off church because he needed to just get away,* and happened upon someone willing to pay him to pass out flyers. Purely chance with no electronic trail.
This person had to have said to meet them at their house at noon,* and they would go pass out flyers in their vehicle.
This explains the neighborhood,* and the phone activity afterwards.** Assuming we can't prove if the phone was off between the pings,* we can assume it was on.* And since there is not a lot of movement,* we can assume,* Steven only moved areas when the pings moved.
The most telling aspect though, is every single ping is literally smack dab in the middle of huge apartment complexes.*
The perfect place to hand out flyers.
I am painfully familiar with every single place that phone pinged,* and EVERY ONE is an apartment complex.
Now unless this is merely where the tower is,* we can assume the phone was triangulated,* and the coordinates are specific.
This tells me Steven rode from complex to complex,* in someone's car,* working until that evening. I can confirm this is extremely normal for this type of work.* It's EXACTLY how my phone would look.* And when I've worked these apartments,* and i have worked them a lot,* i basically worked the same route.* I would work the 4 complexes on Whitney Ranch,* then it's just a 5 min drive to Arroyo Grande and the most ghetto apartments you ever saw. Then straight up warm springs.*
I have made this trip many times,* and so has this unknown employer.
Since he blew off church,* we can assume he meant to blow off his appointment that night.* So that would mean he was still working until 7ish,* when the phone started up towards the M casino,* which is surrounded by huge desert areas.*
The employer decided he didn't want to pay,* or Steven was too innocent and cute to pass up,* and murdered him.
The voice mail checks, if we had the times,* are perfect indicators of his demise.
If Steven was answering texts and using the phone,* then stopped,* between then and the next vm check is when he was killed,* which will also tell us where,* roughly,* his body is.
My theory is Steven was too busy to answer texts,* was killed,* and the killer had to know if anyone was looking for him. So he checked the vm numerous times,* stayed the night somewhere else, probably a gf,* checked it again in the morning,* threw it out the window on his way back home.*
Or while handing out flyers, Steven knocked on the wrong door,* was killed,* and the employer had no idea,* as he was knocking elsewhere.* He assumed Steven didn't like it, and walked away, and never thought of him again.*
This actually happens a lot.* I have been training people in door sales,* and had them tell me they can't do it,* and they are walking home.* It's not unreasonable the employer would have thought Steven simply bailed and is unaware he is missing... Even though his car is parked on his block.* Maybe the employer never knew which car was Stevens,* never put 2 and 2 together,* and was out passing flyers when LE so diligently canvassed the neighborhood.
This did not happen. I have knocked on doors in Vegas for over 14 years.* I have been inside over a thousand homes.*
I have knocked on doors that ended up being on the news later for keeping little girls locked under the stairs for nearly a decade.* I have knocked while a wife was being beaten by her husband,* and i have knocked while a husband was being beaten by a wife.* I have knocked and had a shotgun pulled on me on two separate occasions. I have knocked on doors mere hours after a crazed ex bf broke in, and murdered the new bf,* their new 6 week old,* with a shotgun, and his own two kids, while the wife was at work.
But i have never been murdered.*
I suppose had i knocked at 2am,* when the killer was there,* i probably would have been.* But i didn't. Literally hundreds of people have tried their hand at door to door for tens of companies in Vegas, for the nearly two decades i have been involved in it,* and i don't know anyone who has been murdered,* or even scared of being hurt while knocking on doors.* It just does not happen... But maybe it did.
Mood lightener: Most disturbing though,* is when i knocked one time,* and someone yelled "come in".*
See,* i know most sales people would just pretend they didn't hear the person and wait for them to open the door.*
Not me.* I hear "come in" and i walk right in and with a big smile say "Bet you weren't expecting me!" which usually results in a laugh,* and a sale.
Well this time,* not only were they NOT expecting me, but they were expecting the third man in their gay threesome...which they had already started without him,* on the couch.
I said my classic line as i entered, and as i realized what i was seeing. I froze,* dumb struck.*
WITHOUT MISSING A BEAT,* one of the guys says "NO but you'll do!"
The awkwardness actually drained from the apartment,* and we actually all laughed.* I* apologized, they apologized,* their 3rd man probably showed up later to a very funny story,* and i actually got a sale from it the next day.* That could've ended up worse than getting the shotgun pulled on me.
So, theory 1 is Steven,* by chance meets someone in person who also employs flyer passer outter people,* rides with him,* passes flyers for close to 5 hours,* then is killed.
This could be EASILY investigated had the phone info been released within a reasonable time.** WS people could have rushed to those apartments,* asked if anyone has seen him,* and did anyone get any flyers on their door within the last,* oh,* idk TWO WEEKS?*
Now?* "hi.* Have you seen this guy... 5 years ago?* Have you received any flyers...sigh... Within the last 5 years?"
All is not lost though. My experience in this industry has taught me one thing most of all: We are creatures of habit.* I CONSTANTLY go back to the exact same area.* The same exact complexes.* And if i am preoccupied or my mind is elsewhere,* like i couldn't wait to kill someone,* i end up at my goto spot.
So based on the location of SCA, it is more likely than not,* this killer goes to these apartments A LOT.* Like once a month,* no less than once a quarter.*
So,* if LE cared, they could do some of that "investigating" i have heard so much about,* and go ask residents for any flyers they have received within the last year.* People keep those.* They could also ask the office for a list of anyone who lived there 5 years ago and ask them specifically about Steven.* There will not be more than 5 families still living there,* but it's something.
Then,* cross check multiple apartments,* and cross check all the businesses on the flyers retrieved for anyone associated who lives in.. Wait for it.. SCA.
Maybe a week worth of investigating for a POI who not only knows why Steven was in Vegas,* but is also the last to see him alive? Pretty friggen important,* i would think.
02-02-2015, 11:33 PM #10Registered User
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I'm responding to this fromKrimi in the last thread: I just saw the Disappeared rerun. Why did Koecher leave a job (fired ?) and go to a depressed small town where he had no ties ( or did he ?). Those programs don't reveal a lot of important details, so one has to speculate. Was he leading a double life through the internet ? Did he schedule a liaison of some sort with an someone in Henderson ? If that were the case such individual might have instructed Kocher to park the car away from the house in question. I think something went tragically wrong at that meeting, based on what I have available.
I've always wondered about this -1) SK leaving a large job market for a smaller one because he needed to find work, 2) complaining about having to work evenings because he didn't have time to spend with friends and family, then moving away from friends and family. Also, the mystery: The guy is very "devout" -never misses church, yet does that very thing and no one questions him about it. -Doesn't ask why he's in Vegas, despite his known struggle to pay bills, etc. Wouldn't someone at least say "Great -did you have an interview?" "Whatcha doin'?" Nothing? It's a puzzle, and me just can't help but thinking some peeps know more than they say.
02-05-2015, 12:12 AM #11
None of the flyers were found anywhere but in Steven's car and why would a business located in St. George be advertising in Vegas/Henderson?
And why would Steven, without the knowledge of his boss/business owner, have been in the Las Vegas area on a Sunday, when he was supposed to be elsewhere, to distribute flyers? He came very close to Vegas the day before, when he had nowhere else to be.
02-05-2015, 02:10 AM #12
Although I've been here since the beginning, I'm going through all the threads since day 1 to refresh my memory. There has been a tremendous and invaluable amount of input, research and comments on this case - much of which I, myself, have forgotten. I realize there are a lot of threads on Steven's case and it's a lot to read through, but we've been so fortunate to have the insights of Steven's friends and family members here and that's not usually the case. Off to read!
02-09-2015, 05:39 AM #13Registered User
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Interesting theory on reddit. Unable to post, but here is the intro:
i can't believe i did not see this sooner. The second car, a white Toyota sequoia? IS HIS CONNECT. THIS IS WHO HE WAS MEETING!
THIS IS WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR STEVENS DISAPPEARANCE.
Absolutely, without a doubt he contacts this person via phone, at least twice, says he's at the spot, waits 7 min for him to show up, they talk and the connect says hey, walk up the street and i will pick you up around the way. Bring the pills. Then Steven gets out and walks and the vehicle that just got to the same spot, leaves too? Cmon police. This is despicable work.
The sequoia driver knew of the cameras so asked him to walk up the way so he could avoid all witnesses.
I stand by my prediction that Steven talked to this person at least twice. Whoever is on his phone, is either the driver, or is the person putting him in touch with the driver. Either way the phone calls are connected.
The mysterious item Steven is holding? Looks suspiciously like a pharmacy bag... _---------
02-09-2015, 01:27 PM #14There but for the grace of God go I
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The SUV has been researched repeatedly, and cleared. Repeatedly.
How dumb do you think the police are?Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)
02-09-2015, 06:23 PM #15
Ever heard of the McStay case? Police can be VERY dumb. Here’s what I think is weird:
The realtor shows up right after Steven and drives in the same direction he is seen walking. Okay, no huge red flag there, maybe purely coincidence. However, I did some research on this woman and funnily enough though, where does one of Steven’s cell pings come from before he showed up in the Sun City Anthem neighborhood? The cell tower a block from the realtor’s house. Is it just a very strange coincidence that this woman and Steven are on the exact same street at the same time and several hours before that his phone pinged a block from her house?
So let me ask this: how well did LE really look into the realtor? Did they check and see where she was before arriving in that neighborhood? What about after she left that neighborhood, where did she go? Did they check her cell phone records?
Also, I noticed she and her husband started a mortgage business a month before Steven disappeared. Was he possibly walking around passing out flyers/advertising for their new business? Just throwin it out there…
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