OH - Strongsville, WhtFem, 15-25, Gunshot Victim Not Listed in Any Databases, Feb'75

[ice190]

Ice190 do you know where that string of motels are in Strongsville on Pearl Road? If she were staying at one of those motels, I could see that. Look at if they were coming at this area from Whitney Road. Does that make sense?

A quick google search shows La Siesta Inn, Village Motel, Metrick's Motel, and Kings Inn Cleveland. The former three do look older. Those are north of I-80 on Pearl, which Whitney/Valley Pkwy/Eastland connect to. South of I-80 there is the Pike View Motel and Elm Haven Motel. Those** are almost right, maybe 250ft away, on the river upstream of her location. If I had to estimate looking at the map her location would be 5-6000ft downstream. Farther south on Route 82 just east of I-71 is a Super 8, I know those have been around awhile; and also a Holiday Inn.

I'm going hiking come spring.

[Irish_Eyes]

A quick google search shows La Siesta Inn, Village Motel, Metrick's Motel, and Kings Inn Cleveland. The former three do look older. Those are north of I-80 on Pearl, which Whitney/Valley Pkwy/Eastland connect to. South of I-80 there is the Pike View Motel and Elm Haven Motel. Those** are almost right, maybe 250ft away, on the river upstream of her location. If I had to estimate looking at the map her location would be 5-6000ft downstream. Farther south on Route 82 just east of I-71 is a Super 8, I know those have been around awhile; and also a Holiday Inn.

I know they were already "old" back in '95 when I was in college. We had an impromptu motel party at one of those places during a Feb. blizzard.

[Irish_Eyes]

BTW, I think P means Postmortem loss, which if they didn't have the lower jaw would explain why it's all P. I think F is some kind of filling? O is occlusion I think? N would be natural tooth no fillings. A would be antemortem loss (loss at any time - even years - prior to death.)

Right, guys?

[Migmuu]

I think you're right. IIRC all of the teeth present (besides the unerupted wisdom tooth) had fillings.

[CarlK90245]

Did I miss Jane Doe's dental chart, or are those letters just indicant of the numbers of the teeth that were present? In that case, what does P and F mean?

I went ahead and assembled the dental chart based on the information provided in the report. It indicated that five teeth (#2, #3, #5, #14, and #15) were present on the skull, and all five had fillings. The report also indicated that the sockets for all other upper teeth were empty, and did not show any signs of healing. Or, in other words, she had no missing upper teeth at the time of her death. Finally, it said that her upper left wisdom tooth (#16) had not yet erupted. Presumably the upper right wisdom tooth had erupted, and was lost postmortem.

BTW, I think P means Postmortem loss, which if they didn't have the lower jaw would explain why it's all P. I think F is some kind of filling? O is occlusion I think? N would be natural tooth no fillings. A would be antemortem loss (loss at any time - even years - prior to death.)

Right, guys?

P = Postmortem Loss
F = Filling
O = Other - Described in Comments Section

In this instance, the O references the un-erupted wisdom tooth.

All of the lower teeth are marked P because the mandible was not found.

Even the five remaining teeth are not very useful for a positive ID or rule-out based on the dental chart, because when comparing charts, the Forensic Odontologist must not assume that the MP's dental records reflect the MP's most recent dental appointment. A MP dental chart might indicate a tooth without a filling, when in fact, the MP had that tooth filled after the appointment reflected in the dental records. If we were able to find a MP with those five teeth filled and no missing upper teeth, she would be a strong possible, but not there would not be a positive ID based on that info.

Unrestored teeth on a UID are much more useful for the purpose of ruling out a MP because a tooth with a filling cannot become a tooth without one.

The only way you would be able to make a positive rule-out from this chart would be if the MP was known to have missing upper teeth prior to her disappearance.

[Migmuu]

You could probably also rule an MP out if they had an upper dental plate or braces at the time they went missing.

Btw, last night I sent Meaghan an email with the case files because it contains information (and some new pictures) related to Debra Kent, Carlene Brown and Joanne Coughlin that isn't on Charley. Hopefully she updates soon!

[carbuff]

The un-erupted wisdom tooth is probably part of why the age estimate is for a younger woman.

[ice190]

I wonder if the mandible had wisdom teeth. I'm in my mid 20s and had one that wasn't going to come out, and two that wouldn't have grown anymore, halfway out of the gums. I'm being stubborn and holding out hope she's a Brown.

[carbuff]

I think a dental expert can tell by looking at the xray whether the tooth is a normal one waiting to erupt, or one that's impacted or otherwise not going to come out. Of course it's not always accurate, but often they can be pretty sure.

[ice190]

I'll call case western dental school tomorrow. Skull was sent there for further examination, maybe they have it or records of it. It doesn't seem like the Rangers have the record, I'd assume it'd be there with the other girls'.

[verdandie]

Christy Gross remains were found 10 years after she disappeared in Wyoming. See attached newspaper article.

Several women were ruled out. These are:

Joanne Coughlin
Cxxxxxx Gxxxxxx
Debra Kent
Carlene Brown
Christy Gross
Laurie Partridge
Emily Harris

[CarlK90245]

While browsing through the casefile, I saw the dental records for Carlene Brown. I know that Janet Franson (NamUs Regional Admin for Wyoming) is very interested in Carlene's case, and looking at Carlene's NamUs casefile, I noticed that no identifiers of any kind were available for Carlene.

So yesterday, I sent Janet a link to the Strongsville Jane Doe casefile, and pointed out that Carlene's dentals were contained therein.

This morning, Janet replied:

Holy cow Carl, do you know what you have FOUND????? I have been working on Carlene’s case, with NO LEA help at all, for over 3 years. I kept asking the Sheriff-who NEVER returned phone calls! For dental records, because Carlene was ADOPTED and there was no way to identify her! I am ON IT

I also suggested that she contact the new Regional Admin for Ohio and suggest that she create a UP casefile for the Strongsville Jane Doe.

[ice190]

Oh my god this is awesome! Fantastic work CarlK!! Maybe she's out there waiting right now!

[Migmuu]

I read this a few days ago but can't remember much about it. Nadine O'Dell (missing from Inkster, MI) is being looked at as a probable match to a UID found in the Southwestern part of the country, right? I think Arizona or New Mexico?

Asking because Nadine would fit the age range, race, height, weight, and timing, and she went missing from a state that borders Ohio.

[CarlK90245]

I read this a few days ago but can't remember much about it. Nadine O'Dell (missing from Inkster, MI) is being looked at as a probable match to a UID found in the Southwestern part of the country, right? I think Arizona or New Mexico?

Asking because Nadine would fit the age range, race, height, weight, and timing, and she went missing from a state that borders Ohio.

Just based on physical description, Nadine should be checked out. Her age is a couple of years too low, but nevertheless, she fits the description.

The other case that you are referring to was Santa Fe NM - Dec'74. They are saying that a girl from Michigan might be the Santa Fe Jane Doe, and that the girl's sister has ID'd her from the PM photos. The only girl from Michigan who comes close to fitting the description would be Nadine.

NM - Santa Fe, WhtFem 407UFNM, 14-19, Gold Round Wire Earrings, Dec'74

The casefile on this Strongsville Jane Doe even briefly mentions the Santa Fe Jane Doe, and points out that the runaway girl from North Dakota Cxxxxx Gxxxxx was probably not a match because Cxxxxx Gxxxxx didn't have a scar on her abdomen. I wonder if Nadine O'Dell had a scar on her abdomen.

Incidentally, I have suspected that Nadine might be a victim of serial murderer Coral Watts. He lived in Inkster Michigan in 1974, and Nadine fits the profile of the type of girls/women that he targeted.