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    MO - Family Members Arrested for Fake Kidnapping of 6 Yr Old--to Teach Stranger Danger

    Lincoln County. A 6-year-old boy’s mother, grandmother and aunt are accused of staging a kidnapping, then holding the child for four hours to teach him about “stranger danger.” They hatched the plot to scare the boy because they said he was “too nice” to people, police said. The boy’s mother, Elizabeth Hupp, grandmother, Rose Brewer, and aunt, Denise Kroutil, engaged the help of Nathan Firoved, who worked with Kroutil at a gas station.

    Firoved, Brewer, 58, and Kroutil, 38, were charged Thursday with felony kidnapping, felonious restraint, and abuse or neglect of a child. Hupp, 25, was charged with felony kidnapping and abuse or neglect of a child... Police were alerted Wednesday, after the boy told school officials... The school contacted the Division of Family Services.
    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...b210ee0ea.html

    All those charges are an over-reaction on the part of law enforcement--although there should be some negative consequences. Reactions anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PastTense View Post
    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...b210ee0ea.html

    All those charges are an over-reaction on the part of law enforcement--although there should be some negative consequences. Reactions anyone?
    IMO Those charges are fine with me. This poor boy needs to have a family that is proud of how nice he is. I hope he gets one now.
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    'During his reported ordeal the boy was lured Monday into a pickup after getting off his school bus, tied up, threatened with a gun, taken to a basement where his pants were removed, and told he could be sold into sex slavery, police said.

    The boy was told in the truck by Nathan Wynn Firoved, the aunt's co-worker, that he would never "see his mommy again," and he would be "nailed to the wall of a shed," the sheriff's statement said.'...

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    Good grief! That poor child will have nightmares for years...not to mention his trust in his primary caregivers is destroyed Imagine how he felt when he was being told he was never going to see his mommy again & they were gonna nail him to a shed wall

    I was kidnapped when I was 10 years old. I still have nightmares 30+ years later, and my kids weren't out of my sight (or dad or gma) until they were old enough to drive That is a DISGUSTING EVIL way to "teach a lesson" to a sweet little boy!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    IMO Those charges are fine with me. This poor boy needs to have a family that is proud of how nice he is. I hope he gets one now.
    Agreed. Those folks need to spend some time in the Crowbar Hotel. It doesn't matter what their reasoning was -- "As the boy started to cry, Firoved showed him a handgun and told the child if he didn’t stop crying he would hurt him, authorities said." -- that says a ton.

    Another beauty: "Later, Firoved took the boy — still blindfolded — to the basement of the boy’s home and left him there, authorities said. The boy’s aunt, Kroutil, removed his pants and told him he could be sold into “sex slavery.” She also chastised him because he did not try to resist her. He did not recognize her voice."

    From: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...b210ee0ea.html


    Seriously, there are people in this forum who are defending these folks? Excuse me while I vomit.

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    That poor child! How much other abuse has he endured in his short life?

    I do not understand defending the "parents". How do you come up with something so demented, then find other people willing to go along with it?

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    I do not think the charges are an over-reaction at all.

    What those people did was appalling. The child is only six years old - how could anyone think threatening him with a gun and telling him he would never see his mommy again, locking him in a basement and removing his pants is in any way a minor thing?

    And what six year old knows what sex slavery is unless their freakish family have told them stuff or shown them stuff they have absolutely no need to know about at that age?

    Totally inappropriate behaviour.

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    We should be thankful that this wasn't a real case (of kidnapping).

    They were actually trying to teach him a (well deserved, as someone was able to lure him into their vehicle) lesson and just let it get carried away.

    Remember that the boy wasn't harmed. Any psychological trauma this may have caused him pales in comparison to what he'd have if he were really kidnapped and abused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bflocket View Post
    We should be thankful that this wasn't a real case (of kidnapping).

    They were actually trying to teach him a (well deserved, as someone was able to lure him into their vehicle) lesson and just let it get carried away.

    Remember that the boy wasn't harmed. Any psychological trauma this may have caused him pales in comparison to what he'd have if he were really kidnapped and abused.
    It's way over the top, and cruel, if you ask me.
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    WAY over the top. I could understand tricking him into a truck, and then perhaps driving away. That should be enough to get a 6 yr old to realize he made an innocent mistake. The guy should have immediately driven him home to his family, who would embrace him and explain their mean trick. I would still have a problem with their actions, but I could defend them.

    But what the did went way too far. Pulling down his pants is indefensible, imo.
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    I also think this was way over the top, and a cruel way to teach stranger danger. There are other ways to handle this without traumatizing him for life. I hope he never goes back to that family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADoyle90815 View Post
    I also think this was way over the top, and a cruel way to teach stranger danger. There are other ways to handle this without traumatizing him for life. I hope he never goes back to that family.
    RBBM I totally agree. These people don't deserve children. If they couldn't think of a more appropriate way to teach their son about stranger danger how can you trust them to teach any of the lessons that parents should teach? I really think the parents underestimated the depth of the psychological scar this stunt is likely to cause. This is just a special kind of stupid.

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    How on earth did they get others to agree to this crazy idea ? I think they all have something wrong with them. Except the little boy .

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    Bet he will never trust any women in his life again without intensive therapy. And he won't get a new family. He is stuck with them. Maybe this will spur an earlier onset computer porn problem and arrested socialization skills. Thanks, women of the family and the grandmother's idiot friend.
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    I keep thinking about this kid and the rest of his life thinking..

    " Remember when my parents had me abducted and duct taped and told that I was going to die?"

    Idiots. They should go to jail and then should have to do community service in some awful place forever.
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