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    Does anyone know if Mileski has been linked, or known to know Karl DeGregory?
    I thought I read somewhere that Mileski had some connection to this guy but I can't find the cite.
    DeGregory was convicted of a double murder in NC and confessed to many murders in FL.
    I don't thik DeGregory is a possible suspect in the Lyon case as he was most likely in jail in NC for the 1972 (i think) murders he committed in NC.
    But I AM trying to determine if Mileski was connected in any way to DeGregory. Does anyone know??
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    Karl...

    Quote Originally Posted by SharetheLight View Post
    Does anyone know if Mileski has been linked, or known to know Karl DeGregory?... I AM trying to determine if Mileski was connected in any way to DeGregory. Does anyone know??
    Karl DeGregory is not a name that I heard or read in connection with Ray Mileski. Mileski did have a brother and a son, each named Karl or Carl, but that is probably just a coincidence.

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    I thought I had read that Mileski testified either for or against DeGregory at some point, but I can't find the article so maybe I am confusing things.
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    Updating this with some good info.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fukiyama View Post
    I like doing timelines and I think it would be useful as we have a lot of events for that day, but they seem to be listed and references across several different threads without one post listing them all together with comments.


    • AM: Mr. Lyon slept in after overnight radio show; Katherine invited over to a girlfriend's house to play, but was discouraged by Mrs. Lyon. Arrangements were made for Katherine to call at 1500. Katherine told friend she and Sheila were going to Wheaton Plaza.

    • 1100-1200: Sisters left home.

    • ~1930 (1130): Sisters allegedly seen near Drumm Avenue and Faulkner Place as they walked away from their home toward Wheaton Plaza by 12 year-old David Reed (knew them from the pool the previous summer and having attended school with Sheila). Sighting of girls heading away from home that late in the evening in the dark discounted two weeks after it was made. [This sighting is believed by Richard to be a possible error by police and should have been Eleven rather than Seven. Given that it is discounted otherwise and makes no difference since they obviously made it to the mall, I include it here.]

    • ~1145: Sisters seen by Sarah Biosca, retired seamstress, at a leather shop looking at a wallet.

    • Unknown: Sisters seen at Up Against The Wall (jeans store) by 18 year-old clerk.

    • Noon: Mrs. Lyon out bowling.

    • ~1300: Sisters seen at mall center waiting at the Easter Bunny display by brother Jay; Jay walked right by, but Jay does not know if they saw him.

    • Unknown: Sheila seen by 13 year-old who knew her as she was sitting on the Easter Bunny's arm as children talked to the bunny.

    • 1300-1400: Sisters seen by "Jimmy" and friend (both 13 years old) near the Orange Bowl restaurant as they were talking to TRM.

    • ~1400: Sisters allegedly seen by brother Jay as they ate pizza in the Orange Bowl according to Washington Post. Sighting not reported in interview with Ms. Kuhn in 6 April 1975 Washington Star interview.

    • 1430-1500: Sisters seen near intersection of Drumm and Devon by another boy who only came forward after the discounting of the 1930 sighting. This sighting was/is viewed with skepticism as it was reported two weeks later.

    • ~Early PM: Sisters seen by James Mann as they passed by his house. (This sighting was not reported by any of the contemporary news media and is dubious.)

    • 1500 (3pm): Mrs. Lyon: "A good time to be home"; Katherine was expected to be home to call her girlfriend. Mr. Lyon left home to pick up Mrs. Lyon at bowling.

    • 1600-1630: Mr. and Mrs. Lyon returned home.

    • After Mrs. Lyon came home: "I told her to come by the next day," Kuester [neighbor lady with new baby] said. "I promised her I'd be sure to have Judy up." When Kate didn't show, Kuester called the girls' mother, Mary Lyon, who said the girls were running late and should be back any moment."
      http://www.gazette.net/gazette_archi.../265841-1.html

    • 1800: Supper, Mrs. Lyon worried as girls were not home yet.

    • 1900-2000: Sisters reported missing.

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    Time Line..........

    Thanks again for the great timeline!! I just wanted to point something out.

    Quote by Fukiyama.Bolded by me.-

    ~1400: Sisters allegedly seen by brother Jay as they ate pizza in the Orange Bowl according to Washington Post. Sighting not reported in interview with Ms. Kuhn in 6 April 1975 Washington Star interview



    I spoke to LE and Jay did see the girls eating pizza.

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    Thanks for the updated timeline Fukiyama.
    I was just thinking about this part of the timeline:

    1430-1500: Sisters seen near intersection of Drumm and Devon by another boy who only came forward after the discounting of the 1930 sighting. This sighting was/is viewed with skepticism as it was reported two weeks later.

    It seems reasonable to me that this boy wouldn't come forward with information about a sighting at 2:30 or 3:00 if he had heard they'd been seen at 7:30. Obviously if they were seen at 7:30 alive and well, the 2:30 sighting becomes irrelevant.
    I don't think this 2:30 sighting should be viewed with skepticism simply because he didn't come forward right away, especially because the reason for not coming forward was the info out there of a 7:30 sighting. This seems perfectly logical to me.

    Not to mention the sighting from Mr. Mann happens around the same time and location as this boy's sighting. I think this gives both accounts more credibility.

    I am not sure who views this sighting with skepticism, it's in red and I am not sure what that means, but considering the above I'd give that sighting some credibility.
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    I really like the timeline a lot.

    I also agree with ShareTheLight though concerning that one section where the 2:30pm witness was viewed with skepticism. It seems like the only reason why they (the police? I guess) were skeptical is because he didn't come forward until 2 weeks later. But, apparently, the boy explained himself and said that he came forward after the later/evening sighting was discounted. So, I don't know why they wouldn't want to be more open-minded about that sighting knowing that the boy had a perfectly reasonable explanation for coming forward later than the "norm".
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    1. Feel free to quote the timeline and change wording if you can update any aspects such as Jay confirming that he saw his sisters.

    2. All references to opinions of reliability of specific sightings are police opinions that come from Richard's archive of news articles. From my understanding of what Richard has reported, the police were not as likely to believe it given that a. it was two weeks later and b. they had been burned already and were not as likely to accept out of hand such statements without corroboration.

    3. Aside from the kid who saw them at 2:30 along Drumm, I would be interested in if anyone can find anything at all that corroborates Mr. Mann's account in that single retrospective source.

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    I just stumbled across this fascinating case on the board today. Have been a regular poster on others.
    Sorry if this has ben addressed already but has anyone ever had a psychic do a reading on this case? Also was there anything done on the Forensic Astololgy board?
    I am somewhat skeptical by nature but some of us sleuthing on another crime have been very impressed with what we got from a psychic and also on the FA board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snick1946 View Post
    I just stumbled across this fascinating case on the board today. Have been a regular poster on others.
    Sorry if this has ben addressed already but has anyone ever had a psychic do a reading on this case? Also was there anything done on the Forensic Astololgy board?
    I am somewhat skeptical by nature but some of us sleuthing on another crime have been very impressed with what we got from a psychic and also on the FA board.
    Welcome to this case Snick1946. I don't know if a psychic ever did a reading or not. I have put in a request over at the Forensic Astrology board, and bumped the request twice now. I know they are busy over there. They've done incredible work on other cases and I feel like they could lend valuable info to this case. So my fingers remained crossed that they'll get to this case at some point.
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    Hi, I have been mainly active on the 'Omaha Double Murder' thread in Current Events. I sent the FA board two requests then someone looked at it and it really took off. There are now many posts on that forum about that crime. I think they are very busy and you just have to keep asking. Frankly I also think they are more likely to respond quicker when a case is more recent than this one. Those of us working on that case are very upbeat as we are being told arrests may be coming soon.
    I vaguely recall hearing about this case back then. There are so many strange aspects to it.
    Has anyone ever posted an update on the family? Parents still alive, siblings? I think their father was a media personality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snick1946 View Post
    Hi, I have been mainly active on the 'Omaha Double Murder' thread in Current Events. I sent the FA board two requests then someone looked at it and it really took off. There are now many posts on that forum about that crime. I think they are very busy and you just have to keep asking. Frankly I also think they are more likely to respond quicker when a case is more recent than this one. Those of us working on that case are very upbeat as we are being told arrests may be coming soon.
    I vaguely recall hearing about this case back then. There are so many strange aspects to it.
    Has anyone ever posted an update on the family? Parents still alive, siblings? I think their father was a media personality?
    Welcome Snick1946!! As STL said,we are waiting for her request to be answered from the FA board.There were psychic responses back when this happened,but nothing came of their readings,I guess.As far as the family goes,John Lyon is a victim's assistant(I think that's his title) and brother Jay is a police officer,both for Montgomery County.The Lyon's are stilled married and I'm not sure about brother Joe. Richard and Thrasher could tell you just about everything about them.Nice to have you here,please keep posting.

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    Really quiet..............

    Richard and Thrasher,are you two out there somewhere?

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    The last couple of days, I've been refreshing my knowledge on this case, which is truly one of the most intriguing mysteries. So far, I have a two questions maybe someone with more knowledge of the case could answer.

    1. There is so much talk about the witnesses on that fateful day, there where and when the girls were actually abducted, possible sightings later, the ground searches in the area etc ..... But never have I ever seen anything about the investigation being more widespread, despite most theories I've seen having the abductor/abductors getting the girls out of the immediate area as quickly as possible.

    How widespread was the investigation? Was there any investigation of the abduction or search for the girls beyond the Washington DC area? What LE agencies were involved besides Montgomery County?

    2. I don't think I've ever seen anything about what kind of people Sheila and Kate were. Anyone know what they were like back then besides being innocent girls in a more innocent time?
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    A few questions...

    Quote Originally Posted by Copper View Post
    The last couple of days, I've been refreshing my knowledge on this case, which is truly one of the most intriguing mysteries. So far, I have a two questions maybe someone with more knowledge of the case could answer.

    1. ... How widespread was the investigation? Was there any investigation of the abduction or search for the girls beyond the Washington DC area? What LE agencies were involved besides Montgomery County?

    2. I don't think I've ever seen anything about what kind of people Sheila and Kate were. Anyone know what they were like back then besides being innocent girls in a more innocent time?
    Good questions. I cannot state absolutely how many other jurisdictions and agencies were involved, as I do not have access to LE records and files. But, based on news coverage - which included many police briefings on the case - I do know that the FBI provided some assistance, and that Prince Georges County Police and Washington DC Police were involved in certain aspects of the investigation.

    Montgomery County Police have always been the primary agency responsible for the case. They would tell you that they sent out communiques to all surrounding states and jurisdictions at the time. But whether or not they got any tips, assistance, etc. from that, I do not know.

    I can say that the story was big news in the Washington DC metropolitan area for weeks and weeks, and that news of their disappearance was picked up by Associated Press (AP). That meant that newspapers all across the country could print the story if they chose to.

    In 1975, newspapers and TV/Radio were much more locally oriented and there was not the type of Amber Alerts which are so common today.

    As to what the girls were like, I suggest that you read a Washington Star article which I put in the thread on media and links. The Star reporter spoke with Mrs. Lyon about the girls and their personalities. She even described their room in great detail. Also, there have been a few folks who have posted in these threads who knew the girls personally and have described them.

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