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    The Front Door!

    I found it! I found it!
    From "In Her Own Words"
    "I ran to the front door to scream for my neighbor, Karen(she is a nurse), and I remember the bolt on the door not being turned and locked"

    Of course, we've discussed the impossibility of Karen hearing her from across the street and down from the Routier's house. A simple "Karen" from the front door would in no way alert Karen. But that does solve the mystery of who SAYS they opened the front door first!
    Source: MTJD, page, 4
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    Assuming Darlie's account is accurate, this opens the door for the intruder's entry point.

    See, all that buisness about the screen being cut with the bread knife so the intruder could get in goes right out the window with this story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accordn2me
    See, all that buisness about the screen being cut with the bread knife so the intruder could get in goes right out the window with this story.
    No pun intended right accordn2me?!?!? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by accordn2me
    Assuming Darlie's account is accurate, this opens the door for the intruder's entry point.

    See, all that buisness about the screen being cut with the bread knife so the intruder could get in goes right out the window with this story.
    All I've said is an intruder did not cut the screen at all. I never said if it was used as an escape route or entry point because neither makes sense. My main point was that either Darlie or Darin cut the screen with the bread knife and returned it to the butcher block

    The quote is from "In Her Own Words". I thought your question was always who SAYS they opened the door first. She SAYS she did. This version of her story is the first time she mentions the door being unlocked. It's not in trial testimony or any other interviews.
    The screen was cut no matter if or how it was used. You can't deny that the screen was cut. I think her statement further debunks the intruder theory. Why would an intruder come in thru the unlocked front door, but then flee thru the garage, cut the screen and return the knife to the butcher's block? Or another scenario, he enters the unlocked front door, leaves it unlocked, gets the bread knife, cuts the screen in the garage, puts the knife back, then picks up the butcher knife, attacks the boys and Darlie and flees thru the garage where he has cut the screen for his get-away, even though the unlocked front door is a much easier and closer escape route. Sounds like a plan
    Beesy Was Here

    So I held my head up high
    Hiding hate that burns inside
    Which only fuels their selfish pride
    We're all held captive
    Out from the sun
    A sun that shines on only some
    We the meek are all in one
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    Quote Originally Posted by sue1017
    No pun intended right accordn2me?!?!? LOL

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    You are right, beesy. The screen was cut and it makes no sense.

    Once upon a time, there was a lot of speculation about who opened the door first, if it was locked, etc. I wish I could remember the details but my memory is one of the worst.

    The curious thing to me about the door...there is no blood on the tumbler from what I understand. Out of habit, I always reach for the tumbler first. Not to say everyone does what I do, and I can never tell if mine is locked or unlocked because it is so small. But, I would think that no matter who opened the door first, someone's blood should be on the tumbler...Devin's if Darin opened it first...Darlie's if she did...unless they knew it was unlocked. Well, I guess if she was wetting towels by that time, it wouldn't be. But look at that utility room door! When Cron or Linch testified about it, they never said whose blood it was. Why wouldn't they point that out, or try to make Darlie explain it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by accordn2me
    But, I would think that no matter who opened the door first, someone's blood should be on the tumbler...Devin's if Darin opened it first...Darlie's if she did...unless they knew it was unlocked. Well, I guess if she was wetting towels by that time, it wouldn't be. But look at that utility room door! When Cron or Linch testified about it, they never said whose blood it was. Why wouldn't they point that out, or try to make Darlie explain it?
    O, my gosh. You just stumbled onto something, A2M. I can't believe we missed it all thest months and years Mary, Dani, Cami, I hope you are reading here. If Darin was giving Devon CPR asnd getting blood all over his hands before police arrived, why on earth is none of Devon's blood in the foyer, on the door anywhere, or on the porch. Surely he touched something on his way out to the front yard that night. CJ came up with the no bloody footprints for Darin and we explained that via the carpet. He wouldn't have had to have blood on his feet, but he would have to have blood on his hands if he helped that boy BEFORE Waddell arrived. So where is the proof??????? Why didn't Darin leave behind any of Devon's blood?

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    What is the tumbler? A deadbolt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowgirl
    What is the tumbler? A deadbolt?
    Yes. It is the deadbolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goody
    Yes. It is the deadbolt.
    Thanks. It must be a regional term. I never heard of a tumbler except in a combination (like a safe) lock and it is plural in those, I think. Tumbler means drinking glass to me! But then a water fountain was a bubbler where I grew up, so what do I know? Tee Hee.


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    Another question I have is whose blood is this:

    from Volume 5 D. Parks cross of Linch:

    12 Q. Did you see any indication of anyone
    13 having run through the house while they were bleeding?
    14 A. The only drop that I saw with any
    15 velocity, was on a wall heading toward the front door,
    16 lower portion of the wall, to the right, as you are going
    17 out the front door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowgirl
    Thanks. It must be a regional term. I never heard of a tumbler except in a combination (like a safe) lock and it is plural in those, I think. Tumbler means drinking glass to me! But then a water fountain was a bubbler where I grew up, so what do I know? Tee Hee.
    I don't know if it is said more in the south or not, but I would definitely say country people (rural America) probably say it a lot. Not sure why. I always thought it was the sound of the lock unbolting. Sort of has a tumbling sound, doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by accordn2me
    Another question I have is whose blood is this:

    from Volume 5 D. Parks cross of Linch:

    12 Q. Did you see any indication of anyone
    13 having run through the house while they were bleeding?
    14 A. The only drop that I saw with any
    15 velocity, was on a wall heading toward the front door,
    16 lower portion of the wall, to the right, as you are going
    17 out the front door.
    They couldn't test every single drop so they took a sampling. That drop didn't come into question, I suppose. Evidently it didn't make it into the sampling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accordn2me
    Another question I have is whose blood is this:

    from Volume 5 D. Parks cross of Linch:

    12 Q. Did you see any indication of anyone
    13 having run through the house while they were bleeding?
    14 A. The only drop that I saw with any
    15 velocity, was on a wall heading toward the front door,
    16 lower portion of the wall, to the right, as you are going
    17 out the front door.
    Key(again with the pun) words there are "anyone having run through the house while they were bleeding?" Darin was not bleeding, so this statement doesn't show any proof that Darin had Devon's or anyone's blood on him. No handprints, no bloody smears, only velocity blood which indicates someone running. Darlie says she opened the door, and her statement has always been that she was running and bleeding. She was the only one running and bleeding, unless you're prepared to say that Damon was up running around. So we can assume by the accused's statements that the one drop of velocity blood near the door is Darlie's.
    I don't know if she would have reached for the tumbler first, especially in a panic, grabbing the knob would be the quickest option, you'd cut out the time of testing the tumbler. Then if the knob wouldn't open, you'd unlock it. Would you, really in a panic, test the tumbler first or bypass that and go right for the knob? Unless this was a deadbolt which required a key to lock and unlock, reaching for the knob first makes more sense.
    Beesy Was Here

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    Quote Originally Posted by beesy
    I don't know if she would have reached for the tumbler first, especially in a panic, grabbing the knob would be the quickest option, you'd cut out the time of testing the tumbler. Then if the knob wouldn't open, you'd unlock it. Would you, really in a panic, test the tumbler first or bypass that and go right for the knob? Unless this was a deadbolt which required a key to lock and unlock, reaching for the knob first makes more sense.
    If they weren't in the habit of locking up, that deadbolt was probably rarely ever locked anyway. They wouldn't be in the habit of reaching for it if they never used it. I suspect that was the case.

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