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  1. #106
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    Summary:

    JANET DOE
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/52uftx.html
    https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/3896


    Possible matches listed in thread that have not been ruled out:

    Stephanie Douglas

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/19387/0/
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...stephanie.html

    Dawnia Howard

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...rd_dawnia.html

    Lisa White

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/white_lisa.html

    Catherine Malcolmson

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...catherine.html

    Tara Leigh Calico
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/calico_tara.html


    Exclusions:
    Camora Grimes 1964 Texas
    Hazel Klug 1962 Virginia
    Babette Phillips 1959 Louisiana
    Dorothy Richardson 1960 Texas
    Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
    Tiffany Sessions 1968 Florida

  2. #107
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    Jane Doe's thread (35UFTX)

    CarlK is also working on Theresa Vernell Jones!!
    How cool is that... AND a thread has been started for her.


    Janet Doe's thread (52UFTX)

    Parallel universes in the forums...
    I found this thread first, but then found the individual threads last night after I put together the summaries. It's all good.
    *jumps through the thinny*

  3. #108
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    I submitted today
    Mary Ann Bagenstose as a possible match for “killing fields”Jane Doe (
    Galveston County,Texas
    21 to 29 year old White Female, found February 02, 1986)


    Comparing the stats:
    · Case Classification: Missing
    · Missing Since: June5, 1984 UID found in 1986, probable year of death 1985– 1986 (post mortem interval months)
    · Location Last Seen: West Willow, Lancaster Co, Pennsylvania Distance missing and found 23 hours
    Physical Description
    ** Listed information is fromthe time of disappearance.
    · Date of Birth: Unknown
    · Age at Time ofDisappearance: 25 UID estimated to be between 21and 29 years and from other information ca. 25 years. Missing person would be26-27 yrs.
    · Race: White UID white
    · Gender: Female
    · Height at Time of Disappearance: 5'5 UIDbetween 5’5” – 5’8”
    · Weight at Time ofDisappearance: 125-130 lbs UID 140 -160 lbs
    · Hair Color: Blonde UID light reddishblond on picture you can see that mp’s hair is reddish
    · Eye Color: Unknown UID unknown
    · Alias(s) / Nickname(s): Unknown
    · DistinguishingMarks/Features: Mary Ann had a slight limp caused by a car accident when she was younger; wore a lift in oneshoe. Maybe she broke her ribs also
    · Dentals:Available gap between first teeth ….UID gap betweenteeth….somewhat off centered, like the pictures/reproduction and drawingsof Jane Doe seems to have
    · Fingerprints: Unknown
    · DNA: Unknown
    Clothing & Personal Items
    · Clothing: Blue jeans, black t-shirt, brown sandals
    · Jewelry: Unknown
    · Additional Personal Items: Unknown



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  4. #109
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    I've got news from Mr. Michael Nance. Mary Ann Bagenstose is ruled out for Jane Doe. As he wrote me: both have DNA profiles completed at the University of North Texas Centerfor Human Identification (UNTCHI) with no association.
    Still believe in the human race.....

  5. #110
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bit of hope View Post
    I submitted today
    Mary Ann Bagenstose as a possible match for “killing fields”Jane Doe (
    Galveston County,Texas
    21 to 29 year old White Female, found February 02, 1986)


    Comparing the stats:
    · Case Classification: Missing
    · Missing Since: June5, 1984 UID found in 1986, probable year of death 1985– 1986 (post mortem interval months)
    · Location Last Seen: West Willow, Lancaster Co, Pennsylvania Distance missing and found 23 hours
    Physical Description
    ** Listed information is fromthe time of disappearance.
    · Date of Birth: Unknown
    · Age at Time ofDisappearance: 25 UID estimated to be between 21and 29 years and from other information ca. 25 years. Missing person would be26-27 yrs.
    · Race: White UID white
    · Gender: Female
    · Height at Time of Disappearance: 5'5 UIDbetween 5’5” – 5’8”
    · Weight at Time ofDisappearance: 125-130 lbs UID 140 -160 lbs
    · Hair Color: Blonde UID light reddishblond on picture you can see that mp’s hair is reddish
    · Eye Color: Unknown UID unknown
    · Alias(s) / Nickname(s): Unknown
    · DistinguishingMarks/Features: Mary Ann had a slight limp caused by a car accident when she was younger; wore a lift in oneshoe. Maybe she broke her ribs also
    · Dentals:Available gap between first teeth ….UID gap betweenteeth….somewhat off centered, like the pictures/reproduction and drawingsof Jane Doe seems to have
    · Fingerprints: Unknown
    · DNA: Unknown
    Clothing & Personal Items
    · Clothing: Blue jeans, black t-shirt, brown sandals
    · Jewelry: Unknown
    · Additional Personal Items: Unknown



    Wow! This looks just like Jane Doe! Great sleuthing, Bit if Hope.

  6. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bit of hope View Post
    I've got news from Mr. Michael Nance. Mary Ann Bagenstose is ruled out for Jane Doe. As he wrote me: both have DNA profiles completed at the University of North Texas Centerfor Human Identification (UNTCHI) with no association.
    Darn! But, still some great sleuthing on your part.

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    This is weird...I'm sure I posted here about submitting Linda Kay Caroll on 1-3-2017 to Mr. Nance for a possible match for Jane Doe and somebody else put the photo's of her and Linda... so again.
    I wouldlike to submit Linda Kay Carroll as a possible match for “killing fields” JaneDoe (Galveston County, Texas
    21 to 29 year old White Female, found February 02, 1986)


    Comparingthe stats (she is not ruled out according to the list on NamUs):
    · Case Classification: Missing
    · Missing Since: September 24, 1984 UID found in 1986, probable year of death 1985 – 1986 (post morteminterval months)
    · Location Last Seen: Linda was last seen in Crestview,Florida UID found in Texas, quite a long distance
    Physical Description
    · Date of Birth: march 10, 1960
    · Age at Time of Disappearance: 24 to 24 years old UID estimated to be between 21 and 29 years and fromother information ca. 25 years. Missing person would be ca. 26 yrs. in 1986
    · Race: White UIDwhite
    · Gender: Female
    · Height at Time of Disappearance: 5'2” –5’5” UID between 5’5” – 5’8”
    · Weight at Time of Disappearance: 100 –120 lbs UID 140 -160 lbs (could have be gaining weight,but that would be a lot, we don’t know)
    · Hair Color: blond/strawberry In thepictures it looks a kind of wavy. UID light reddishblond. MP: On some pictures you can see she has light reddish blond hair, onereconstruction with darker hair fits the picture of MP with darker hair.

    · Eye Color: Green UID unknown
    · Alias(s) / Nickname(s): Unknown
    · Distinguishing Marks/Features: Scar onleft hip UID no scars mentioned, but as her body was nearly complete or completeskeleton, I don’t know if a scar could be noticed
    · Dentals: gap between first teeth Dental information / charting iscurrently not available ….UID gap between teeth
    · Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is currently notavailable
    · DNA: Samples submitted - Tests not complete


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    Quote Originally Posted by watergirl62 View Post
    Aha...I understand now....this is another thread for both Janet and Jane "killing fields" doe's. Thanks Watergirl62....I thought "I lost it"
    Still believe in the human race.....

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    Just to show how complicated the DNA matching is in some cases, a mail from Michael Nance about it.

    The relationship between NamUs and CODIS is confusing at best.

    The FBI maintains the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS). Any CODISlab can submit DNA into CODIS. State law enforcement crime labs are CODIScertified and can enter DNA into CODIS. The University of North TexasCenter for Human Identification (UNTCHI) is the Texas State Crime Lab. UNTCHI also does DNA for missing and unidentified persons for any lawenforcement agency in the United States. Not everyone uses UNTCHIhowever. For example California, by state law, sends theirmissing/unidentified DNA to their California state crime lab. There areother agencies who use their own labs as well. Ultimately all DNA arrivesat national CODIS in Washington D.C.

    UNTCHI and NamUs are both managed by the University of North TexasHealth Science Center. While NamUs advocates for and assists agencies tocollect DNA and to get it into CODIS, CODIS does not communicate back toNamUs. CODIS only reports back to the law enforcement agency submittingDNA of any association. If there is no association there is no reportback.

    NamUs staff members at the University of North Texas Health Sciencecenter work to update NamUs with DNA profiles completed at UNTCHI. Oftenthis is not up to date or comprehensive. When there is an association andan identification made then those NamUs records are archived. It isalmost impossible to go into NamUs and manually complete DNA exclusions forevery permutation possible in NamUs’ MP and UP databases. Also withoutcomplete DNA information it would be foolhardy to make exclusions.

    I hope that this helps to explain why so many NamUs records don’t havethese exclusions listed.
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