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  1. #31
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    Here's a comparison. Peggy disappeared in 1981 at age 18. Jane Doe located in 1986 estimated age around 25.

    The Doe Network:
    Case File 35UFTX
    NamUs MP # 1307 Peggy Houser





    Jane Doe
    •Estimated age: Circa 25 years old
    •Approximate Height and Weight: 5'5" - 5'8"; 140 - 160 lbs.

    Case Information
    Status Missing
    First name Peggy
    Middle name Sue
    Last name Houser
    Nickname/Alias
    Date LKA June 14, 1981 - 00:00
    Date entered December 12, 2008
    Age LKA 18 to years old
    Age now 49 years old
    Race White
    Ethnicity
    Sex Female
    Height 65.0 inches
    Weight 115.0 pounds
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/35uftx.html

    https://identifyus.org/cases/4477
    Last edited by bessie; 05-15-2013 at 11:45 PM. Reason: new link
    A parole review date is set for July 21, 2012 for Fred Howard Coffey.

    Coffey was convicted of the murder of 10 yr old Amanda Marie Ray, NC. He admitted to molesting 300 children.

    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



    Write to:
    Chairman Charles L. Mann Sr.
    NC Post Release Supervision & Parole Commission
    P.O. Box 29540
    Raleigh, NC 27626-0540
    RE: Fred Howard Coffey, DOC# 0081135
    or send an email to parole@doc.state.nc.us
    http://justice4amanda.tripod.com/

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    :+:MrTT:+: These do pretty close to me

    The Jane Doe was listed as having reddish brown hair. If you look at the color photo of Peggy it has an auburn color to it. The gap in the teeth look similar too. I see a lot of similarities.

    Anyone else have any thought on this?
    A parole review date is set for July 21, 2012 for Fred Howard Coffey.

    Coffey was convicted of the murder of 10 yr old Amanda Marie Ray, NC. He admitted to molesting 300 children.

    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



    Write to:
    Chairman Charles L. Mann Sr.
    NC Post Release Supervision & Parole Commission
    P.O. Box 29540
    Raleigh, NC 27626-0540
    RE: Fred Howard Coffey, DOC# 0081135
    or send an email to parole@doc.state.nc.us
    http://justice4amanda.tripod.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannieC View Post
    :+:MrTT:+: These do pretty close to me

    The Jane Doe was listed as having reddish brown hair. If you look at the color photo of Peggy it has an auburn color to it. The gap in the teeth look similar too. I see a lot of similarities.

    Anyone else have any thought on this?
    Here is one whom came up missing in 82 while leaving Houston to go back home to Iowa.
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2919/1

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/503dfia.html
    Jane Doe in Namus https://identifyus.org/cases/4477



    Kimberly Sue Doss

    Missing since September 27, 1982 from Davenport, Scott County, Iowa.

    Classification: Involuntary

    Vital Statistics

    • Date Of Birth: February 12, 1966
    • Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
    • Height and Weight: 5'2; 120 - 125 lbs.
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
    • Dentals: Available. She has a gap between her two front teeth.
    • AKA: Kimberly Kathleen Gardner
    • DNA: In Codis

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Doss has not been seen since leaving Houston, Texas en route to her father's residence in Davenport, Iowa. on September 1, 1982.
    She has never been heard from again.

    Namus does not mention leaving from Texas last seen?
    Last edited by bessie; 05-15-2013 at 11:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+: View Post
    Here is one whom came up missing in 82 while leaving Houston to go back home to Iowa.
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2919/1

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/503dfia.html


    Kimberly Sue Doss

    Missing since September 27, 1982 from Davenport, Scott County, Iowa.

    Classification: Involuntary

    Vital Statistics

    • Date Of Birth: February 12, 1966
    • Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
    • Height and Weight: 5'2; 120 - 125 lbs.
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
    • Dentals: Available. She has a gap between her two front teeth.
    • AKA: Kimberly Kathleen Gardner
    • DNA: In Codis

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Doss has not been seen since leaving Houston, Texas en route to her father's residence in Davenport, Iowa. on September 1, 1982.
    She has never been heard from again.

    Namus does not mention leaving from Texas last seen?
    Case File 35UFTX

    •Located on February 2, 1986 on Calder Road in League City, Galveston County, Texas.
    •The victim had been shot.
    •Estimated Date of Death: Six weeks to six months prior to recovery date.
    •Skeletal Remains


    I'm not sure about the 4 year difference. I just noticed the 5 year difference with Peggy.

    I'm not sure how accurate they are with their dates but I doubt they are off by that much time.
    A parole review date is set for July 21, 2012 for Fred Howard Coffey.

    Coffey was convicted of the murder of 10 yr old Amanda Marie Ray, NC. He admitted to molesting 300 children.

    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



    Write to:
    Chairman Charles L. Mann Sr.
    NC Post Release Supervision & Parole Commission
    P.O. Box 29540
    Raleigh, NC 27626-0540
    RE: Fred Howard Coffey, DOC# 0081135
    or send an email to parole@doc.state.nc.us
    http://justice4amanda.tripod.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannieC View Post
    Case File 35UFTX

    •Located on February 2, 1986 on Calder Road in League City, Galveston County, Texas.
    •The victim had been shot.
    •Estimated Date of Death: Six weeks to six months prior to recovery date.
    •Skeletal Remains


    I'm not sure about the 4 year difference. I just noticed the 5 year difference with Peggy.

    I'm not sure how accurate they are with their dates but I doubt they are off by that much time.
    I was not implying she was killed soon after becoming missing.
    I was thinking more she ran off or some other event occurred.
    Maybe she lived for another 3 years or so after last seen coming out of Houston. If that story is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+: View Post
    I was not implying she was killed soon after becoming missing.
    I was thinking more she ran off or some other event occurred.
    Maybe she lived for another 3 years or so after last seen coming out of Houston. If that story is correct.
    I guess anything is possible. We are seeing a lot of Jane Doe's with ribs having been broken prior to death. Makes you wonder what was going on. Were some of the girls/women held hostage and beaten or what?

    You can't move very fast with broken ribs and they don't show. Makes you wonder.

    Both these girls look similar to the Doe.
    A parole review date is set for July 21, 2012 for Fred Howard Coffey.

    Coffey was convicted of the murder of 10 yr old Amanda Marie Ray, NC. He admitted to molesting 300 children.

    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



    Write to:
    Chairman Charles L. Mann Sr.
    NC Post Release Supervision & Parole Commission
    P.O. Box 29540
    Raleigh, NC 27626-0540
    RE: Fred Howard Coffey, DOC# 0081135
    or send an email to parole@doc.state.nc.us
    http://justice4amanda.tripod.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannieC View Post
    I guess anything is possible. We are seeing a lot of Jane Doe's with ribs having been broken prior to death. Makes you wonder what was going on. Were some of the girls/women held hostage and beaten or what?

    You can't move very fast with broken ribs and they don't show. Makes you wonder.

    Both these girls look similar to the Doe.
    So many with these broken ribs.
    Does make me wonder because I have not read any medical reason or excuse why so many victims seem to have broken ribs.

    What I try to do as in this Jane doe case.
    They said six months. So I look and try to find someone reported missing around that time. Six Months. Which would mean if there was a match the chances are hi they were taken and killed quick.

    If I have to keep going future passed the six months to find someone reported missing fitting the description of the Jane doe. Then the further i go back could mean they were kept alive for a period of time, before being murdered and then dumped and found six months after the killing.

    Does that make sense?
    Or maybe I am confused.
    This is new to me.

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    I added several more UID's to the UID reference thread today. Haven't had time to get them out by year. These are newer more recent. I hope to have them in the correct years by tomorrow.

    We are also working on the COD threads in case you're interested.
    A parole review date is set for July 21, 2012 for Fred Howard Coffey.

    Coffey was convicted of the murder of 10 yr old Amanda Marie Ray, NC. He admitted to molesting 300 children.

    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



    Write to:
    Chairman Charles L. Mann Sr.
    NC Post Release Supervision & Parole Commission
    P.O. Box 29540
    Raleigh, NC 27626-0540
    RE: Fred Howard Coffey, DOC# 0081135
    or send an email to parole@doc.state.nc.us
    http://justice4amanda.tripod.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+: View Post
    So many with these broken ribs.
    Does make me wonder because I have not read any medical reason or excuse why so many victims seem to have broken ribs.

    What I try to do as in this Jane doe case.
    They said six months. So I look and try to find someone reported missing around that time. Six Months. Which would mean if there was a match the chances are hi they were taken and killed quick.

    If I have to keep going future passed the six months to find someone reported missing fitting the description of the Jane doe. Then the further i go back could mean they were kept alive for a period of time, before being murdered and then dumped and found six months after the killing.

    Does that make sense?
    Or maybe I am confused.
    This is new to me.
    It makes a lot of sense to me. Some Perps choose a certain type girl and a certain age range. When she ages out he kills her. This is not uncommon and could very well be the case.

    Like you I look at the dates and as long as the victim went missing prior to the Doe being found and its within a few years I consider the possibility.

    A perp might want a girl between 18 and 22. When she ages out or looks too old he kills her. So these are possibilites.

    Jaycee Dugard was held for a long time. He had killed girls prior to her. It is very unusual that he kept her alive that long. She was smart and lived.

    Most perps of this type don't keep them alive past a few years. jmo
    A parole review date is set for July 21, 2012 for Fred Howard Coffey.

    Coffey was convicted of the murder of 10 yr old Amanda Marie Ray, NC. He admitted to molesting 300 children.

    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



    Write to:
    Chairman Charles L. Mann Sr.
    NC Post Release Supervision & Parole Commission
    P.O. Box 29540
    Raleigh, NC 27626-0540
    RE: Fred Howard Coffey, DOC# 0081135
    or send an email to parole@doc.state.nc.us
    http://justice4amanda.tripod.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+: View Post



    NOT Posting because its a possible.
    Just posting because of the smile.
    Not finding many missing with a large gap
    between the front teeth.

    So until the DNA comes back.
    Ill post any I fine with that gap.
    Even her hair waves the same - I think these two are very similar.
    Last edited by bessie; 05-15-2013 at 11:43 PM. Reason: new link


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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    Even her hair waves the same - I think these two are very similar.
    It does and the gap in the teeth seems to be off center on both. Of course it is hard to judge from pictures but she looks like a close match to me if not a match.
    A parole review date is set for July 21, 2012 for Fred Howard Coffey.

    Coffey was convicted of the murder of 10 yr old Amanda Marie Ray, NC. He admitted to molesting 300 children.

    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



    Write to:
    Chairman Charles L. Mann Sr.
    NC Post Release Supervision & Parole Commission
    P.O. Box 29540
    Raleigh, NC 27626-0540
    RE: Fred Howard Coffey, DOC# 0081135
    or send an email to parole@doc.state.nc.us
    http://justice4amanda.tripod.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannieC View Post
    Here's a comparison. Peggy disappeared in 1981 at age 18. Jane Doe located in 1986 estimated age around 25.








    Jane Doe


    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/35uftx.html
    https://identifyus.org/cases/4477
    Peggy Sue Houser was identified through DNA as a Jane Doe found in Tampa, FL in 1982.

    http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/ne...m-1285459.html

    http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/miami/3...ase-now-solved
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    I guess that puts us back to square one! lol

    So glad Peggy Sue Houser's sister now knows the truth and was able to bury her sister next to her mother. Such a sad story and so long in waiting to know. If only they knew who murdered her.
    Last edited by JeannieC; 03-03-2012 at 11:48 PM.
    A parole review date is set for July 21, 2012 for Fred Howard Coffey.

    Coffey was convicted of the murder of 10 yr old Amanda Marie Ray, NC. He admitted to molesting 300 children.

    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



    Write to:
    Chairman Charles L. Mann Sr.
    NC Post Release Supervision & Parole Commission
    P.O. Box 29540
    Raleigh, NC 27626-0540
    RE: Fred Howard Coffey, DOC# 0081135
    or send an email to parole@doc.state.nc.us
    http://justice4amanda.tripod.com/

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    Yep, back to square one. I'm relieved for Peggy Sue's family, too, but sometimes I wonder if Calder Rd Jane and Janet Doe will ever be ID'd. I wish we knew more about the lead Peggy's case from 2002. The tipster claimed to be the brother of the perp, who died in a car accident in the Carolinas. If the guy was being truthful, he must've known at least a few details. I wonder if his story checked out.

    It's good to see you posting in here again, Jeannie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bessie View Post
    Peggy Sue Houser was identified through DNA as a Jane Doe found in Tampa, FL in 1982.

    http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/ne...m-1285459.html

    http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/miami/3...ase-now-solved

    Updated 2:26 PM Wednesday, November 16, 2011

    Interesting. November 16 2011 was the same day we were discussing her.

    And the last day anyone posted on this thread until the first of March.
    She didn't match our Jane Doe, but she matched the one in Florida.
    Last edited by :+:MrTT:+:; 03-03-2012 at 11:47 PM.

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