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    NY - 7 children from one family dead in Brooklyn fire

    Seven children ages 5 to 15, have died in a fire at a residence in Bedford Avenue, Brooklyn. First reports say they are all from the same family.

    Around 100 firefighters were called out to the fierce blaze just after midnight Friday. Two adults are critically injured.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ed27d...-brooklyn-fire
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    One of the children died at the scene, FDNY officials said. The others died as they were rushed to area hospitals with severe burns. The mother was taken to Jacobi Medical Center and her lone surviving child was taken to Staten Island University Hospital North with serious to critical injuries.

    Witnesses say the mother screamed for someone to help rescue her children after she jumped from a window of the three-story home. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2157746
    ETA apparently the mother was home.

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    A malfunctioning hot plate.

    The article offers a possible explanation why someone would leave a hotplate on overnight - if they are Orthodox Jewish, as lighting fires is forbidden on the Sabbath.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/22...html?referrer=
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    The children have been identified. Another, unidentified 15 year old is critical. Dad was away overnight at a conference.

    Five-year-old Yaakob Sassoon,Sara, 6, Moshe, 8, Yeshua, 10, Rivkah, 11, David, 12, and 16-year-old Eliane all died in the blaze.
    http://www.itv.com/news/story/2015-0...ny-house-fire/
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    How very sad. So many lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebel View Post
    A malfunctioning hot plate.

    The article offers a possible explanation why someone would leave a hotplate on overnight - if they are Orthodox Jewish, as lighting fires is forbidden on the Sabbath.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/22...html?referrer=
    What was it being used for besides cooking, a source of heat if left on overnight? I could understand using it only to heat food, but leaving it on is as dangerous as turning on a gas oven for heat.

    Such an unnecessary, tragic loss.



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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    What was it being used for besides cooking, a source of heat if left on overnight? I could understand using it only to heat food, but leaving it on is as dangerous as turning on a gas oven for heat.

    Such an unnecessary, tragic loss.



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    If left on overnight they could use it to cook with the next day. They would not be able to actually turn it on on the Sabbath. HTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by SugarQueen View Post
    If left on overnight they could use it to cook with the next day. They would not be able to actually turn it on on the Sabbath. HTH
    Thank you for the additional information. It is truly sad that in keeping with their religious practices, seven innocent lives were lost.

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    "Electricity on Shabbat"
    "Many Jews who strictly observe Shabbat (the Sabbath), especially within Orthodox Judaism, refrain from what is considered turning electricity on or off during Shabbat. They may also refrain from making adjustments to the intensity of electrical appliances. Various rabbinical authorities have pronounced on what is permitted and what is not, but there are many disagreements in detailed interpretation, both between different individual authorities and between branches of Judaism
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_on_Shabbat.

    Much more in wiki about use of cooking appliances and thermostats for heat ---when permissible on Sabbath, when prohibited.

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    Thank you. They would have had to turn on the hotplate at sundown Friday night and leave it on until sundown Saturday evening. During Shabbot Orthodox Jews will not carry or use money, ride in an automobile, cook, etc. This is such a horrible tragedy.

    In the Jewish faith burials are almost immediate, usually the next day, as they do not embalm nor are they cremated. There are exceptions of course. Joan Rivers was cremated as was Amy Winehouse. I would think services would be tomorrow.


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    "From sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday, those who observe the Sabbath do not work, write, use electricity — or cook. If they want a hot meal during that time, they must prepare their food — often a popular stew called cholent — ahead of time and leave it warming overnight......they cannot alter the temperature of food, they cannot stir a stew, cover a pot or change the amount of water in it.

    On Saturday, Lt. Bruce Silas of the Fire Department’s fire safety education unit manned a sidewalk table up the street from scene of the deadly blaze, passing out fire-safety literature and 9-volt batteries for smoke detectors. He said many people from the neighborhood had approached to ask him about the safety of using hot plates. (Sabbath rules, however, prohibited those who were observant from taking the literature or batteries until after sundown.)
    I had no idea of the restrictions.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/ny...fety.html?_r=0
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    I just wanted to add that because the mother and one daughter are in the hospital, burial services may be delayed. Also, the family of the father is in Israel and will need time to travel, so I have no idea when services will be held. Bless this family for the tragedy and strength at this time.

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    How very tragic.

    Fire investigators found a smoke detector in the basement of the home. But none were found elsewhere in the house, Nigro said, adding, "To hear a smoke detector two floors below is asking a lot."
    Smoke alarms work on holidays too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daisymae View Post
    I just wanted to add that because the mother and one daughter are in the hospital, burial services may be delayed. Also, the family of the father is in Israel and will need time to travel, so I have no idea when services will be held. Bless this family for the tragedy and strength at this time.
    This is what NYP is saying, not sure if it's accurate as I've not seen anyone else also say it:

    The funeral will be held Sunday or Monday, a source said, adding that the victims will be buried in Israel
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    http://nypost.com/2015/03/21/3-kids-...rooklyn-blaze/

    This is saying they're tentatively set for Sunday (and it was updated at 2 am, so not sure if that means they don't have confirmation or if they didn't update the whole thing)

    Funeral services are tentatively scheduled for Sunday at the Shomrei Hadas Chapels on 14th Ave.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2157746

    Such a sad story! And so sad they've really not even been back living here for all that long, having just moved back from Israel two years ago to move back into her childhood family home and be closer to her family.

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    All I can say is........crazy man-made 'rules' in the name of religion. *smh* It's also stated in various news articles that FDNY firefighters set up a table on the street and were passing out pamphlets about fire safety along with smoke detectors and 9 volt batteries - but again due to the Sabbath laws for Orthodox Jews, they're not able to carry anything on the Sabbath so most just passed by the table and took nothing.
    Last edited by LayzeeDayzee; 03-22-2015 at 04:24 AM.

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