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    AZ - WalMart, Struggle for LEO Gun, LEO shot, Person killed, 8 LEOs & more involved

    Cottonwood, AZ on Sat Mar 21
    "The incident began when a Wal-Mart employee noticed that a large group of people were in one of the store's restrooms, department spokesman Bart Graves said. The employee was shoved by one of the suspects when she tried to enter, he said." bbm
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    "By the time Cottonwood police arrived, the group had made its way to the parking lot.
    Officers were immediately attacked and there was a struggle for an officer's gun, Graves said
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    http://centurylink.net/news/read/art..._walmart_br-ap Mar 22
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    "One suspect was shot and killed during the fight, another was shot in the abdomen,
    and a total of seven others were taken into custody.
    The suspects are from the same family....
    A Walmart employee and eight officers were involved in the fight.
    One officer was shot in the leg and the other seven were left with cuts and bruises.

    The officer that was shot in the leg is 31 years old and has been with Cottonwood police for 10 years...
    He was flown to Flagstaff Medical Center for surgery...
    " bbm
    This story: http://on.wltx.com/1HmgFl1
    http://www.wltx.com/story/news/natio...shot/25199055/ dated Mar 22
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    My first thought was to start thread in Bizarre News, but as it called for more than bandaids, decided it does not belong there.
    How do these brawls begin? Sarc alert: Can't spare a square? (thx 'Seinfeld')
    The family that brawls together stays together? Another meth lab in big box store restroom?

    Seriously. Sad, sad, sad that anyone at all was hurt or injured.
    But after someone tries to take an LEO's gun away, peace, joy, and harmony do not follow.JM2cts.

    That LEO and others are then justified in using force in defense. < that is law, not jmo.
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    "DPS says all suspects involved were members of the same family who were driving a Suburban with Idaho plates. There were seven men and two women.

    A witness told ABC15 the family had been staying in the parking lot for several days."

    http://www.abc15.com/news/region-nor...jures-officers


    according to the video one of the ''campers'' of the group played his guitar in corner of parking lot and asked for $$

    it was female employee of Walmart who was attacked.
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    A new bit of info.
    "There were a total of three gunshots, and it was still unclear Sunday night who fired the shots, Graves said." bbm
    http://centurylink.net/news/read/art..._walmart_br-ap Mar 22

    ETA:
    Curiouser & curiouser.
    7 men & 2 women had been staying in an RV in this WalMart parking lot for a couple or several days.
    Other RVers staying there too spoke on camera. One man had been playing guitar there & asking for $$.
    LE spokesman said all suspects were booked as John Does, as "we don't know who they are."
    "DPS says all suspects involved were members of the same family who were driving a Suburban with Idaho plates."
    http://www.abc15.com/news/region-nor...jures-officers

    Common in some parts of US for RVs to stay one night in parking lot like this, esp WalMart, shop there. Not so common for multiple nights.
    Were all 9 adults staying overnight/ traveling in one RV?
    A motorhome? Even some motorhomes would not be rated to carry 9 adults & usu. gear.
    Was a Suburban pulling a travel trailer accommodating 9 adults?
    Even w the biggest Suburban, imo, not safe to pull travel trailer big enough for 9.
    Maybe a fifth wheel rig, pulled by pickup?

    Idaho plates and ^sounds like no IDs. Sovereign-citizens or other extremist group? IDK.
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    From this article, it looks like the 9 adults had been living in a Suburban SUV x 4 days in the walmart parking lot. Wow. That's mighty weird, not to mention cozy.

    "The suspects had been staying in a Suburban vehicle for at least four days in the parking lot, according to a man camping out in an RV in the parking lot. The man would not give his name."
    http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...-brk/25182759/


    Quote Originally Posted by al66pine View Post
    A new bit of info.
    "There were a total of three gunshots, and it was still unclear Sunday night who fired the shots, Graves said." bbm
    http://centurylink.net/news/read/art..._walmart_br-ap Mar 22

    ETA:
    Curiouser & curiouser.
    7 men & 2 women had been staying in an RV in this WalMart parking lot for a couple or several days.
    Other RVers staying there too spoke on camera. One man had been playing guitar there & asking for $$.
    LE spokesman said all suspects were booked as John Does, as "we don't know who they are."
    "DPS says all suspects involved were members of the same family who were driving a Suburban with Idaho plates."
    http://www.abc15.com/news/region-nor...jures-officers

    Common in some parts of US for RVs to stay one night in parking lot like this, esp WalMart, shop there. Not so common for multiple nights.
    Were all 9 adults staying overnight/ traveling in one RV?
    A motorhome? Even some motorhomes would not be rated to carry 9 adults & usu. gear.
    Was a Suburban pulling a travel trailer accommodating 9 adults?
    Even w the biggest Suburban, imo, not safe to pull travel trailer big enough for 9.
    Maybe a fifth wheel rig, pulled by pickup?

    Idaho plates and ^sounds like no IDs. Sovereign-citizens or other extremist group? IDK.

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    Seems weird that a large group of adults would all go the the restroom at the same time. If I was camping out in the pking lot, I'd lay low, and go to the restroom 1 or 2 people at a time. Wonder why they all went at once?
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    We had one of these 'freeman on the land' nut jobs doing his thing a couple of years ago here in Calgary. He was a renter and became a horrid nightmare for the poor older lady who owned the house. He was a real asshat, trashed the house completely inside (painted walls black, knocked walls down, etc), put a lien on her home, went months without paying rent after declaring her home his "embassy", etc. A real douche-canoe:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...eman-1.1863921

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/freeman...lice-1.1473184

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    Quote Originally Posted by LayzeeDayzee View Post
    We had one of these 'freeman on the land' nut jobs doing his thing a couple of years ago here in Calgary. He was a renter and became a horrid nightmare for the poor older lady who owned the house. He was a real asshat, trashed the house completely inside (painted walls black, knocked walls down, etc), put a lien on her home, went months without paying rent after declaring her home his "embassy", etc. A real douche-canoe:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...eman-1.1863921

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/freeman...lice-1.1473184

    I was surprised to see it seems to be a bit of an international issue:

    Happening in UK - England and Ireland - everything from refusal to pay taxes, traffic fines etc. people to refer to themselves as part of a 'family' but not associated with the Crown etc. through contract --
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    Seems weird that a large group of adults would all go the the restroom at the same time. If I was camping out in the pking lot, I'd lay low, and go to the restroom 1 or 2 people at a time. Wonder why they all went at once?
    sounds like swarm shoplifting -- MOO
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    Another article, w 1 1/2 min id: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2159116

    Just realized:
    Because LE booked all 9 as John Does, sounds like no IDs, so what about registration of Suburban, motorhome, trailer or 5th wheel (what-ev)?
    Who is owner? One of the 9, and if so, how would owner show he/she is owner, w no ID?
    Orstolen?


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    How does LE know they are from the same family if they don't know their names?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwt42 View Post
    How does LE know they are from the same family if they don't know their names?
    I was wondering the same !

    This is my brother Doe, and my other brother Doe, and my other...

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    Today, quote from witness: "Louie Solano witnessed the incident."I was here last night," he said. "It was a lot of noise. It looked like a riot in the middle of the parking lot. I mean it was unbelievable."....
    "Lots of screams," Solano said. "Just screeching noise, like unreal, unreal. I heard about eight to 10 shots."
    Read more: http://www.kpho.com/story/28583434/8-officers-hurt-1-suspect-dead-in-az-walmart-assault#ixzz3VFxgZUUn Mar 23
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    From earlier story: "There were a total of three gunshots, and it was stillunclear Sunday night who fired the shots, Graves said." bbm
    http://centurylink.net/news/read/art..._walmart_br-ap Mar 22

    Interesting tidbit at bottom of kpho ^article:
    "This marked the seventh officer-involved shooting outside the Valley so far this year." IDK what geo area 'outside the Valley' is.
    Not trying to turn this into a discussion about 'trigger happy police' because I don't get that vibe here: Non-LE ppl in this fight sound sketchy.
    Guessing outside the Valley might be a high-crime, violent area or maybe another reason for high rate of OIS* this year to date.


    * Cottonwood AZ "Full-time law enforcement employees in 2012, including police officers: 50 (31 officers)." and Cottonwood Pop. in 2013: 11,424.
    "Officers per 1,000 residents here: 2.71, Arizona average: 1.99"
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Cottonwood-Arizona.html#ixzz3VFvxRzRC. That's a lot more LEOs/1000 pop. than average in AZ, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al66pine View Post
    Today, quote from witness: "Louie Solano witnessed the incident."I was here last night," he said. "It was a lot of noise. It looked like a riot in the middle of the parking lot. I mean it was unbelievable."....
    "Lots of screams," Solano said. "Just screeching noise, like unreal, unreal. I heard about eight to 10 shots."
    Read more: http://www.kpho.com/story/28583434/8-officers-hurt-1-suspect-dead-in-az-walmart-assault#ixzz3VFxgZUUn Mar 23
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    From earlier story: "There were a total of three gunshots, and it was stillunclear Sunday night who fired the shots, Graves said." bbm
    http://centurylink.net/news/read/art..._walmart_br-ap Mar 22

    Interesting tidbit at bottom of kpho ^article:
    "This marked the seventh officer-involved shooting outside the Valley so far this year." IDK what geo area 'outside the Valley' is.
    Not trying to turn this into a discussion about 'trigger happy police' because I don't get that vibe here: Non-LE ppl in this fight sound sketchy.
    Guessing outside the Valley might be a high-crime, violent area or maybe another reason for high rate of OIS* this year to date.


    * Cottonwood AZ "Full-time law enforcement employees in 2012, including police officers: 50 (31 officers)." and Cottonwood Pop. in 2013: 11,424.
    "Officers per 1,000 residents here: 2.71, Arizona average: 1.99"
    http://www.city-data.com/city/Cottonwood-Arizona.html#ixzz3VFvxRzRC. That's a lot more LEOs/1000 pop. than average in AZ, imo.

    bbm Valley of the Sun is Phoenix -- probably pointed out that violence is increasing ''outside'' of Phoenix .....

    interesting that a woman and a girl were trying to get into the men's washroom at Walmart when female employee was intercepting them....I believe that Walmart employee was doing a good deed -- men's bathrooms are not cool for minor females to be entering MOO
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    Quote Originally Posted by newone View Post
    bbm Valley of the Sun is Phoenix -- probably pointed out that violence is increasing ''outside'' of Phoenix .....

    interesting that a woman and a girl were trying to get into the men's washroom at Walmart when female employee was intercepting them....I believe that Walmart employee was doing a good deed -- men's bathrooms are not cool for minor females to be entering MOO
    Ok, Valley of the Sun = Phoenix, which means 'outside the Valley' is - what? Entire st of AZ, other than metro Phoenix area (maybe Phoenix + a county or two)? Th

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