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  1. #2176
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    What if the truth is that TS entered the hotel room with the weapon that HM asked him to bring and just couldn't do it. So HM grabbed it from him and took care of it herself, knowing that he had to help her with the clean up because he was there and equally involved at that point and she could just lie and say he did it.

    HM did make that video saying that she was fully responsible for the death and that TS only helped her clean it up.

    How would that affect him now after first saying that he did not do it and then changing his story to say that he did? I agree with the opinion that TS, who does not have a lawyer or anyone advocating for him over there, would be unwise to say anything more with regards to what really happened that day, that contradicts what he "respectfully" told the court, while he is still in the country. And what could he say about the reasons why he lied and said that he did it (if he didn't) if he cannot mention the "deal" that he may have been told was being struck between the attorneys and the court officials?

    As far as him not believing that he could really face the firing squad, he was being told that he would if he was convicted of premeditated murder. By the attorneys that HM had arranged for the both of them. All the papers were screaming it in the headlines and Judge Cohen himself believed it was a real possibility. TS seems to imply in his rant that he was being told that they both would be executed for premeditated murder if he didn't take the rap and say he did it in self defense. He knew that they had the text messages because he knew they had access to his phone. So he knew they easily had evidence that it was premeditated. He also must have known that the money AS was asking for was to ensure that the self defense scenario would be bought in court and they would both receive light sentences. In that case neither of them would have received more than 8 years. Maybe more like the 4 and 6 years that SC and DT just got for their self defense claim with the murdered police officer.

    But unfortunately for TS, while Judge Cohen may have been blind to the huge amount that AS was demanding, and why, he refused to release any funds for TS's part in this "deal". And HM probably struck a deal of her own. So apparently he was actually convicted of premeditated murder. All news sources also seem to say she was convicted of her part in a premeditated murder. But the "official" charge for HM, according to AS, was "accessory to murder". Which he also says is the equivalent of the American "accessory after the fact".

    I don't know. Maybe he thought uploading that video to youtube would get his "truth" out. Without him paying the consequences. Looks like that backfired on him big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandLover View Post
    I'm mindful of the recently released video where HM "absolves" TS of the murder and now wonder if TS's soul-bearing facebook post and this video are somehow connected? Both put HM in a bad light. Now we have the article in the Daily Mail which seems to promote TS. What's going on?

    Additionally, there are some things stated by TS in his facebook post which are almost repeated by HM in her video. I find this too much of a coincidence.

    Thoughts, anyone?
    That letter from TS was around Oct 2016? Correct me if I'm wrong.
    I think it was on something else besides FB - wasn't that public.
    Source help needed to be confirmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakidoll View Post
    While I believe HM is 100% the driving force behind the murder, and TS is just as guilty for partaking, for him to 'tell the truth', whatever it may be, regarding any payoffs to govt, lawyers, jailers etc, is asking for a death sentence for him in that jail. I want to hear what he has to say... but if it were me, i'd definitely be waiting til i was out of that country first. There is NO ONE to protect him from those that took the bribes. And I do believe there was much more of that going on that we know about. HM is much more protected as she has the financial backing, even without the trust, since Stella is in the picture. He is expendable, IMO, and HM would just as much see him gone instead of talking. If she has a way, I think she'll be sending people after him. I wouldn't trust closing my eyes near her.
    Yep, I can see this too.

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    There's a few scenarios I would consider with HM before they were caught...

    It was many posts back at the beginning when I questioned if the FBI or any official investigators had checked any private clinics in the area to see if HM had actually booked in for a termination.
    I could never imagine this girl wanting a child.

    If she hadnt told TS, TS would be none the wiser.

    If she had told TS, HM would have blamed her mother regarding the termination - she would have said she was forced by her mother to do it. She would have told TS that.
    She had ready blamed her mother before for 2 others.

    It would not surprise me if HM had said to TS not to mention anything to anyone about the pregnancy.
    HM grooms people to her will.
    Not all that uncommon with her ilk.
    She is a psychopath and a very convincing one. He helped kill her mother - he could keep that secret about the baby if she asked him too.

    Before Sheilas death, at the time, and in that HM psychopathic mind, HM may have thought that she could do a few things successfully -
    like kill her mother, terminate the pregnancy, leave the island with TS, spend the dollars - no baby, no mother, no boyfriend (she would have ditched TS - or who ever she persuaded)
    and then no worries.
    Live in Chicago and live off her inheritance.

    Sheila was a smart lady - she had friends she could confide in - she knew what HM was up to.
    She locked up those passports good and proper and everything fell apart for HM & TS - thank goodness.
    Last edited by FigTree; 03-20-2017 at 11:29 PM.

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    Been reading Bibbs FB. He went to jail today for repeatedly failing his drug tests. He says he will be sentenced in another 2 months. He doesn't know how long he will be gone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FigTree View Post
    That letter from TS was around Oct 2016? Correct me if I'm wrong.
    I think it was on something else besides FB - wasn't that public.
    Source help needed to be confirmed.
    The letter was uploaded to this site http://www.pdf.investintech.com/…/d1...30;/index.html but has since been removed.

    It was printed in it's entirety in the DM on Oct 17, 2016.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-friends.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthAussie View Post
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    Tommy is already hated by the westerners, apparently.

    We have heard this from one publication only, the Daily Mail.

    The article relies on a single, unnamed source, who is embarrassingly and unreservedly pro-Tommy. The aim of the piece is clearly to generate sympathy if not money for him.

    And it massively contradicts a previous Mail story not 36 hours cold.

    I don't believe that eight Western prisoners attacked Tommy with blocks of wood or anything else. I am persuaded by ajaylee's pointing out that strange phrases like "blocks of wood" and "higher up on the committee" (see her post #1230) mean that something is off in this article. My own conclusion, thanks to her keen eye, is that the attack as reported is simply rubbish. (This is not meant to imply that ajaylee agrees with me here.)


    Quote Originally Posted by SouthAussie View Post
    He should leave his self pity alone, and try do something altruistic - like sharing any talent he has with the other prisoners, and for their benefit. After all, he may be undergoing a long prison sentence, but he still has karma to deal with yet. And it will come for him.

    I completely agree. You put it very well, and without the baggage of anger or judgement. It is often very hard for me to do that.

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    I should have written above, ajaylee's post #2130. I noticed this too late to make the correction where my mistake occurred. Oops!

    It's a good post. Go back and have a gander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Tabby View Post
    We have heard this from one publication only, the Daily Mail.

    The article relies on a single, unnamed source, who is embarrassingly and unreservedly pro-Tommy. The aim of the piece is clearly to generate sympathy if not money for him.

    And it massively contradicts a previous Mail story not 36 hours cold.

    I don't believe that eight Western prisoners attacked Tommy with blocks of wood or anything else. I am persuaded by ajaylee's pointing out that strange phrases like "blocks of wood" and "higher up on the committee" (see her post #1230) mean that something is off in this article. My own conclusion, thanks to her keen eye, is that the attack as reported is simply rubbish. (This is not meant to imply that ajaylee agrees with me here.)





    I completely agree. You put it very well, and without the baggage of anger or judgement. It is often very hard for me to do that.
    I think it is more likely that eight prisoners tried to contain Tommy when he was swinging an iron bar at another prisoner. And if they used pieces of wood to deflect blows from the iron bar, that is very understandable.
    Tommy did not get 3 weeks in solitary for nothing. That is quite a long time, so the infraction was quite serious.

    Who knows if he has a drug debt in Kerobokan, too. If his stipend has been cut off, he may have accumulated a debt with another prisoner ... possibly the one he attacked.

    If he has been moved in with the Indonesians, who he probably cannot even communicate with very well, I think they would be anticipating further trouble in the westerners block if they kept Tommy with them.



    'He was put in solitary confinement for three weeks after attacking another prisoner with an iron bar recently and has been telling everyone he is a prophet from God.'
    After being released from solitary confinement, Schaefer was moved to a block occupied mostly by Muslim prisoners, the inmate said.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-daughter.html
    Last edited by SouthAussie; 03-21-2017 at 08:18 AM.
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    From memory, because I don't have time right now to go back and double-check both reports:

    I think there were two reports about TS getting in an altercation and being sent to solitary. IIRC, in one version, he attacked someone with an iron bar, got beaten down, and got three weeks in solitary. In the other version, prisoners attacked him with 'blocks' of wood and he got a week in solitary.

    IIRC, aside from the differences in the details of the accounts, I thought the language differed, making me suspect there were two different sources reporting. We don't know who is reporting or exactly for what purpose.

    I'm inclined to think there must be some basis for the reports - some kind of fracas took place. I'm inclined to think that if there was a rumble, TS started it by lashing out at someone. It could be because of drug debts, it could be because other prisoners were laughing at him because his gf has made a monkey out of him. It could be that there was some kind of crackdown after HM claimed that TS must have posted HM's 'confession' video. Maybe it was nothing more than the prison guards raiding the cells of the 'westerners'. I think it's certainly possible that the guards could have used the episode to justify confiscating TS's contraband phone.
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    One detail that particularly persuades me TS is losing it and inclines me to believe something did happen: the report that he's telling people he's a prophet.

    That really sounds like drugs talking. It also seems an awfully odd detail for someone to include if the story is completely fabricated.

    It looked like at one time he was hanging with non-westerners, getting involved in building a chapel. Perhaps he sought refuge with them, even if only temporarily. Better to be surrounded by people whose language you don't understand than to be surrounded by folks saying things you don't want to hear, I guess.

    HM is handling Stella's departure about the way we might have expected: two days of dancing, singing, and hanging out in bed with her lesbian 'lover', Rafe.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...baby-left.html

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    Well, here is someone else saying that Tommy is easily led. Something we have all thought for a long time, after he was led by that little pyscho to help murder her mother.

    No wonder he still carries a torch for his previous girlfriend, who seemed to lead him in a much better way. I noticed in the picture of him and Stella, before she left the prison, that he is still wearing his blue wristband ... I have always thought it has something to do with his previous girlfriend.


    'He's lost it and has become a sort of religious psycho,' said a fellow prisoner. 'It's a shame because he was a nice guy before. He's fallen in with some very bad characters inside prison and he's easily led. There's just too much alcohol and shabu (crystal meth) floating around inside.'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...baby-left.html
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    I really do wonder where all these "sources" are coming from. Do I believe that HM is going about her business like nothing has happened, yes. Do I believe the part of her spending all day in bed with her lesbian lover? Who knows. It's sounds rather sensational, which is the DM's specialty.

    As for TS, I bet he's loosing it too. He's not as good a manipulator as HM and he keeps getting the short end of the stick. That video business had to be him...something he had under wraps. Then he got his butt beat for it. Tried to get mom to adopt the baby, but, hello???? She waited until the month Stella was moving which looked incredibly suspicious. And she got shut down, so no money for TS.

    BTW-you think of Kia Walker was so concerned about Stella, she might've been sending TS some money these last two years.

    He is screwed. And will be for at least another 16 years. HM is getting out in 7. I don't know if TS will survive. He seems to follow the most shiny thing instead of reaching inside to find strength.


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    He is indeed screwed. Some people have to hit rock bottom before they see the light. Unfortunately, some people hit rock bottom and stay there. It wouldn't surprise me if TS falls in the latter category. Depression, a willingness to get violent, and nasty drugs - not a good combination, especially for someone with a bad conscience.

    I was thinking about what it was that finally broke TS and HM up and left TS sooo bitter. It's hard to tell for sure, but I think RB's arrest and subsequent conviction (after months of house arrest) might have been the final straw.

    Yes, TS and RB are adults and had months to consider and reconsider their actions, but they're both trying to act like innocent boys who got possessed by an evil woman.

    Plus, RB's conviction makes it that much more likely that the feds will be waiting for TS when he gets back to the US and he knows it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthAussie View Post
    Well, here is someone else saying that Tommy is easily led. Something we have all thought for a long time, after he was led by that little pyscho to help murder her mother.

    No wonder he still carries a torch for his previous girlfriend, who seemed to lead him in a much better way. I noticed in the picture of him and Stella, before she left the prison, that he is still wearing his blue wristband ... I have always thought it has something to do with his previous girlfriend.


    'He's lost it and has become a sort of religious psycho,' said a fellow prisoner. 'It's a shame because he was a nice guy before. He's fallen in with some very bad characters inside prison and he's easily led. There's just too much alcohol and shabu (crystal meth) floating around inside.'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...baby-left.html
    The blue wristband is for his girlfriend who was killed in an accident during a mission trip to South Africa. Can't remember off the top of my head what it said.

    Too bad Andrew Chan is not still there to minister to his obvious need for religion...and for the benefit of all he helped. I still can't believe what happened

    I think he's been getting his religious ideas from online strangers and a lot of meth. I wonder if KW is trying some "tough love" by refusing to send him any money that she knows he'll just use for his next fix? I find it hard to believe that she wouldn't be able to come up with at least a hundred bucks a month to send to him for food. Perhaps she has been and he's been using it for alcohol and drugs?

    MOO

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