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  1. #16
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    gracehatter, I think HM will insist on having Stella with her at all times. She knows the value of Stella as a pawn and a hostage. She also recognizes that if she relinquishes custody of Stella, even for a few hours in court, there's always the possibility that someone will try to intervene. Remember that old saying: "Possession is 9/10ths of the law?"

    Bugbear, I continue to be appalled at some of the stuff these so-called lawyers are spouting. Favia charged $126K for services to Stella (before she was even born - what would have happened if the child had been stillborn?) What kind of quality representation could she provide when she couldn't even get basic details right? A judge had to slap her down for something very basic: trying to collect $$ that Stella owed her from HM's trust.

    Scifo is doing the same thing with his nasty attempt to try the case in the US media. He should be slapped down, IMHO, because as an attorney, he should know better.

    http://www.legalmatch.com/law-librar...of-minors.html

    Can My Parents Force Me to Have an Abortion?

    Minor females have a constitutional right to make their own decisions on reproductive choices. The constitution gives women the right to choose whether they want an abortion and this also applies to women minors. The decision is hers alone and no parent can force the teen to have an abortion. The decision to have an abortion must be voluntary and independent. A parent who tries to coerce a daughter to have an abortion may also face legal charges for child abuse or battery.

    Parents of pregnant teenagers cannot force them into placing a child up for adoption. The only exception to this rule is if the pregnant teen's life is in danger due to a medical emergency. In such a case, the teen's parents have the right to permit an abortion against the teenager's wishes.
    Addressing your more specific point, about the POA:

    http://www.mdanderson.org/patient-an...-attorney.html

    Except to the extent you state otherwise, this document gives the person you name as your agent the authority to make any and all health care decisions for you in accordance with your wishes, including your religious and moral beliefs, when you are no longer capable of making them yourself. Because "health care" means any treatment, service or procedure to maintain, diagnose, or treat your physical or mental condition, your agent has the power to make a broad range of health care decisions for you. Your agent may consent, refuse to consent, or withdraw consent to medical treatment and may make decisions about withdrawing or withholding life-sustaining treatment. Your agent may not consent to voluntary inpatient mental health services, convulsive treatment, psycho-surgery, or abortion. A physician must comply with your agent's instructions to allow you to be transferred to another physician.

    Your agent's authority begins when your doctor certifies that you lack the capacity to make health care decisions.
    The whole point of the POA was that SWM thought that HM was spiralling out-of-control and not mentally fit enough to recognize that she needed serious treatment. However, it is critical to realize that a POA only kicks in when the individual has been certified incompetent for any reason.

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    Sorry @ work so have to keep dropping screen down to actually do work lol - So this Pity Party of "forced" does not hold much ground, I did not think.

    Found one case here:
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...orced-abortion
    Pregnant Teen Suing Parents Over Forced Abortion

    Even under the Roe v. Wade decision, which defends abortion, women still have a legal right not to get an abortion. R.E.K. has a legal right to make her own decision. "What Roe established is minors have the choice. And when they do make the choice, folks are shocked that they want to carry the baby," noted Casey.

    In fact, even Bellotti v. Baird, which found that a teenager has the right to make her own decisions regarding her reproductive health, provides a legal argument in support of R.E.K.'s argument not to have an abortion. As the National Center for Biotechnology Information writes, “The Bellotti decision reaffirmed Planned Parenthood of Central Missouri vs. Danforth decision that ruled state laws requiring all minors to have parental consent for abortion are unconstitutional.”

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    Although it's illegal, as your cite shows, some parents do apply pressure. IIRC, in Illinois, parents accused of doing so can be charged with a form of battery.

    Does anyone here really believe for one second that SWM could have 'forced' HM to do anything she didn't want to do? Particularly something as 'big' as getting an abortion?

    If I were a reporter interviewing new media star Scifo, I would ask him if the reports about SWM 'forcing' HM to get two prior abortions are as truthful as HM's allegations of multiple sexual assaults and drug injections while in jail in Bali.

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    My thought was depending on how old Heather was, both she and SWM may very well have consented but it makes for a better soundbite to say "forced". It will be bolstered later when they say they meant some form of coercion.

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    Of course, HM had the option to pursue charges against her mother if it was true. Either time.

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    Yes, this is actually an inmate returning to prison after having given birth in the VIP section of a local hospital. Check out how happy the guard is to see her by his reflection in the window.

    ETA: Then she calls him out in the prison by saying "no with me this time!" in a whiny voice and he apologizes and says "we busy". Then she says "busy?" in a pissed off way and gives him an eyeroll like how could any of them be too busy to deal with her? *massive eyeroll from me while listening to that exchange*



    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-together.html



    I loved the Kate Middleton analogy though.

    MOO
    Last edited by Kamille; 03-23-2015 at 02:39 PM.

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    I'm especially fascinated about the fact that this prisoner (no cuffs, shackles etc) is escorted to a waiting prison vehicle that has all the doors left open and that the local photographers are permitted to jump right into the front seat and take photos while the guards are loading her shopping cart full of goods into the back. And yes, she has a suitcase in that shopping cart. Just insane.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF9udDjdvqk

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    Mack, 19, was spirited away by police to notorious Kerobokan prison
    Grinned as she clutched baby daughter tightly and kept her covered up
    Grinned?
    Ive never seen anyone react like that going back to Prison.
    Anyone would think she won the lottery - oh that's right ...

    @ gracehatter - she did do drama and acting classes


    But in a flurry of movement at the hospital this afternoon a prosecutor's car arrived and Miss Mack was ushered into it after being transported out of the hospital in a wheelchair.
    Huh? Prosecutor's car?


    As for this comment in the report - it has seemed to me that the money is handled by Soenardi - and was given to him to pay such expenses - so for the hospital to be paid, it should come out of an official account - What is strange is that the amount was reported in msm. How did they know the amount, and what proof (if any) is there that this bill was for HM hospital stay. Why would this be done in front of reporters and why does it need to be news worthy? I find it extremely suspect.

    Despite the emotional scenes, administrative affairs had to be dealt with - one of Miss Mack's legal team had to settle the hospital bill, paying $6000 with his credit card, which he will claim back from the many thousands of dollars that have been released to him from Miss Mack's Trust account.

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    And why is that baby not in a carseat??? Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatthewhaat View Post
    And why is that baby not in a carseat??? Ugh.
    Why? When you can just hold them in like this...



    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-together.html

    That poor baby.



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    I wonder if some of HM's $$ have secured her a private cell for herself and Stella.

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    A brief pause for a REALITY CHECK. This happy occasion we are seeing in the news is about a young girl involved in the premeditated cruel murder of her own mother. A baby was born and will be used for monetary and judicial gains. A little baby has now been dragged into a dangerous prison to live with this violent, unstable young girl. Happy occasion? I think not.

    Poor little baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Me View Post
    A brief pause for a REALITY CHECK. This happy occasion we are seeing in the news is about a young girl involved in the premeditated cruel murder of her own mother. A baby was born and will be used for monetary and judicial gains. A little baby has now been dragged into a dangerous prison to live with this violent, unstable young girl. Happy occasion? I think not.

    Poor little baby.
    It sickens me,too, that this brutal murderer has reached the 'heights' of 'celebrity'. How did that happen???? She stuffed her mother's beaten body into a suitcase, for goodness sakes!!! Does no-one over there remember that??? Big hats, draped shawls, taxied to the prison in the prosecutor's car with her entourage following behind ....

    She has even made it into some little pop celebrity publication.


    "Heather Mack was “smuggled” out of hospital, along with her newborn baby, and returned to jail earlier today in Bali.
    Ironically, given the circumstances of her death, it was actually Wiese-Mack who paid for the delivery of the baby she so objected to—along with Mack’s ongoing legal fees relating to her death—via a trust fund she set up for her daughter."

    http://popdust.com/2015/03/23/bali-b...l-jail/#slide1
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    So, she not only got a ride in the prosecutor’s car … but the prosecutor of her case drove her. Looks like it was him that was pushing her shopping trolley full of stuff, too. Seems that she is running the show now.


    “Speaking outside the hospital, the prosecutor Eddy Wijaya said that court proceedings would depend on Mack’s condition”

    http://media.brisbanetimes.com.au/ne...l-6379649.html
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    03/20/2015 Chancery Case Continued until 04/10/2015

    https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com/...er+Mack&CDate=

    It looks predominately WW's turn this round. I wish there was more information to share on that, sorry.

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