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    FL - Was this Justifiable use of deadly force? FLORIDA Youtube Video included.

    Was this justifiable use of deadly force, I think it is textbook definition.

    https://youtu.be/f7ve6MhmeaY

    On another forum I visit a retired cop believes it's not justified use of deadly force.
    *note disclaimer* I hate Hypocrites, Liars, Druggies/Drunks and Thieves. I am also considered an ahole in general. I am ok with it, so don't bother pointing it out, I already know.

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    I agree, textbook. If it were my decision, no way would I charge that guy with anything, and if I were on the jury, no way would I convict him of anything.

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    Q. Turn the other cheek, or shoot the guy dead?

    A. Turn the other cheek. Let it go. Let peace, kindness, and forgiveness win. It was not justifiable use of deadly force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicaljoke View Post
    Q. Turn the other cheek, or shoot the guy dead?

    A. Turn the other cheek. Let it go. Let peace, kindness, and forgiveness win. It was not justifiable use of deadly force.
    The first one you lest go, the second one you defend with all means necessary to end the threat! If you watched the video that is exactly what happened!
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    2 or 3 dudes planned & attacked, shooter likely justified, imo.

    Short take: imo, 2 or 3 dudes planned & attacked; shooter likely justified.

    Long:
    Did everyone see all this on vid?
    - 4 ppl came in together, loud & apparently intox'd, dude #1 = shirtless.
    - 4 sat at table, one or more of 4 made racial slurs to (Eventual) shooter). Time passes?
    - group got up from table & ev-shooter stood up next to his counter-seat.
    - Dude #2 shook hand w other guy by counter, then faced to Ev-shooter, tried same?
    - Ev-shooter crossed hands, shook head no, then dude #2 punched him in face?
    - Ev-shooter backed up.
    - dude #3 held inner door open for dudec#1/shirtless to re-enter restaurant.
    - in crouched position, dude#1/shirtless re-entered, punched EvShooter.
    - Ev-shooter drew & fired at dude#1/shirtless, who then ran exiting w dude #2 & #3.
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    "....January....[name], 28, was the shooter at the Waffle House, but the reports released this week indicate Williams feared for his life when he fired three shots at Fields.Fields and several friends were in the restaurant early in the morning on Jan. 5 after drinking the night before. The report says the group was loud and seemingly intoxicated when an argument started."
    I believe ^ is from article re St.Atty's ofc's decision, Ft Meyers FL.

    Below is snipped from poster on another site, strictly the author's opn. Lays out argument for justified better than I could.
    "[shooter] did everything by the book and acted as he should. Here are some points that Iíd like to make about his actions:


    • He wasnít confrontational with the group that was harassing him
    • As soon as things looked bad, Williams asked for the check so that he could leave
    • When approached, he backed up in an attempt to give himself some space
    • After firing the shots, he placed his firearm on the counter and immediately called 911


    After racial slurs, getting punched and being outnumbered by guys who look to be bigger than you, lethal force is likely on the table. And thatís exactly what the courts found in this particular case.
    One thing that Williams could have done better was to give distance between himself and the man who ended up punching him. But you know, hindsight is 20/20." bbm
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    If I had not able to watch vid again, IDK if I w/have caught all that^.

    Imo, 2 or 3 dudesplanned it & acted according to plan; shooting likely justified.
    JM2cts.

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    Well put, al66pine. I'm not a fan of killing in any circumstance; I'm staunchly anti-d.p. and always have been.

    Yet not even I would deny a person the right to defend him or herself. The eventual shooter responded to the first punch by merely revealing his concealed weapon as a warning. In response, another assailant returned, punched the ev-shooter again and pursued him as he staggered backwards.

    The shooter shot once. He didn't empty his weapon (though we might excuse him for doing so with his adrenaline pumping).

    Justifiable homicide, if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Well put, al66pine. I'm not a fan of killing in any circumstance; I'm staunchly anti-d.p. and always have been.
    Yet not even I would deny a person the right to defend him or herself. The eventual shooter responded to the first punch by merely revealing his concealed weapon as a warning. In response, another assailant returned, punched the ev-shooter again and pursued him as he staggered backwards.
    The shooter shot once. He didn't empty his weapon (though we might excuse him for doing so with his adrenaline pumping).
    Justifiable homicide, if you ask me.
    bbm

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    Great Minds Think Alike? Thank you.

    bbm2
    Shooter shot once?
    Shooting starts at 1m 20sec, while voice-over reporter says
    dude#1/shirtless was "shot three times." Shot or shot at? Is that accurate? IDK.
    Did shooter fire 3x, or was shirtless was hit 3x.Or something else. IDK.
    One thing I do know from this any many other vids -
    Multiple rounds can be fired quickly, so quickly we do cannot count w naked eye,
    whether vid is grainy or hi-res. Not until we put it in slo-mo.

    Another thought--- stressing, I'm just going by the vid, w expectation/azzumption that
    LEOs did interviews & research and ruled out the hinkies, like
    did shooter & the 3 dudes & gal know each other? Drugs, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Well put, al66pine. I'm not a fan of killing in any circumstance; I'm staunchly anti-d.p. and always have been.

    Yet not even I would deny a person the right to defend him or herself. The eventual shooter responded to the first punch by merely revealing his concealed weapon as a warning. In response, another assailant returned, punched the ev-shooter again and pursued him as he staggered backwards.

    The shooter shot once. He didn't empty his weapon (though we might excuse him for doing so with his adrenaline pumping).

    Justifiable homicide, if you ask me.
    I agree with you on the justifiable part. However could you give your source for firing once.



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