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    Quote Originally Posted by ElleElle View Post
    ITA ~ I started re-watching the trial as well, in particular, GA and Cindy, and I have a hard time understanding the truth. There is doubt, when witnesses on the stand act suspicious, IMO.

    Baez, IMO, was a far better attorney than the whole state put together.
    I know what you mean about Baez, I was so convinced at the time he was an incompetent lawyer, however watching the trial back there's no denying he did a good job of emphasizing holes in the states case, I thought his closing was very well delivered, and feel that I underestimated him going into trial.
    You don't get a medal for switching alliances just before the result, as it becomes apparent the other team is set to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intermezzo View Post
    That 9-1 time was the time, then boyfriend , Tony L had class ..she knew the time he was in class of course
    Still doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless little bits of reality are breaking through in the telling of fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiceseeker35 View Post
    Still doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless little bits of reality are breaking through in the telling of fantasy.
    Imo, it was never fantasy. It was bold face lies. All of it... She just kept getting caught in the lies and had to make adjustments on the fly, so her story got really ridiculous.... The defense had to come up with something, so they substituted the word fantasy for lie, threw in a few imaginary friends, tossed george under the bus, and made up a crazy story about compartmentalization....

    She was a pathological liar who needed a defense for murdering her child...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElleElle View Post
    ITA ~ I started re-watching the trial as well, in particular, GA and Cindy, and I have a hard time understanding the truth. There is doubt, when witnesses on the stand act suspicious, IMO.

    Baez, IMO, was a far better attorney than the whole state put together.
    But, Ga and Cindy are her parents. Wouldn't you expect them to "not act right" when they are testifying in a trial that could end their daughter's life? And ca perjured herself...If we start basing the outcome of trials on the testimony, or behavior, of the defendant's parents then we'll have a society littered with criminals walking the streets... That's what happened here, imo, I don't think jbaez did anything but cross ethical lines and tell a lie about ga molesting fca, without a shred of evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiceseeker35 View Post
    Still doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless little bits of reality are breaking through in the telling of fantasy.
    IMO
    She is a liar, a deceiver, a fabricator..plain and simple
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intermezzo View Post
    IMO
    She is a liar, a deceiver, a fabricator..plain and simple
    Some people give her way too much credit... I don't know why, but it still blows my mind every single time I hear someone quote anything from her defense like it's for real...

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    Nice to see that discussion is still happening for Caylee. I am jumping right in to post----apolgies if I am repeating what has been said already.

    I have always believed that Casey killed her daughter. The "drowning in the back yard pool" story does not ring true. Nor the additional lie that George was present at the time, and did not help revive Caylee. Neighbors would have heard shouts, screams etc that accompany such an event. I cannot even begin to get into the disgusting accusation that George molested Casey. If there were any truth to that, Caylee would never have been left in the presence of George. Cindy would have never trusted him. Nor Lee or Casey for that matter (IMO).
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    Quote Originally Posted by heidisams View Post
    But, Ga and Cindy are her parents. Wouldn't you expect them to "not act right" when they are testifying in a trial that could end their daughter's life? And ca perjured herself...If we start basing the outcome of trials on the testimony, or behavior, of the defendant's parents then we'll have a society littered with criminals walking the streets... That's what happened here, imo, I don't think jbaez did anything but cross ethical lines and tell a lie about ga molesting fca, without a shred of evidence.

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    I think GA committed perjury too. I don't think he ever saw them leave together that day at 12:50 to go off to Zannys. He went to work and left KC where she always was myspacing and google searching on the home pc and poor Caylee begging her Mom to just pay attention to her for once.

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    i too am still disgusted to this very day that FCA got away with murder...not even being found of neglect. lets face it caylee was last seen alive with FCA...as someone else echoed, i have heard of cases where guilty verdict was found with even LESS evidence than here...i too believe it was just lazy jurors. i do NOT buy the drowning story, nor that GA molested FCA. the fact that she and baez was willing to throw him under the bus like that was disgusting. i too believe the FCA was spiteful of the relationship that caylee and CA had, and that infamous fight over her stealing $/ the choking was the straw that broke the camels back/ FCA killing caylee to spite CA> i will always believe that. i do on occassion check in here to see updates; forgive me, i want to see karma served..and being a virtual prisoner ( in hiding because she is so hated) sorry not good enough for me.

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    I think she was overcharged with the death penalty. Maybe even with 1st degree murder. Maybe in the closing arguments, JA could have mentioned the other things the jury could find her guilty of. Jerice was just convicted of Jhessye Shockley's murder, and there was less evidence there. Not even a body. The prosecution made mistakes, but I also think they had a stupid jury to work with.

    I've thought about rewatching the trial, but I don't want to reactivate my PTSD.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wallflower67 View Post
    I think she was overcharged with the death penalty. Maybe even with 1st degree murder. Maybe in the closing arguments, JA could have mentioned the other things the jury could find her guilty of. Jerice was just convicted of Jhessye Shockley's murder, and there was less evidence there. Not even a body. The prosecution made mistakes, but I also think they had a stupid jury to work with.

    I've thought about rewatching the trial, but I don't want to reactivate my PTSD.
    3 pieces of duct tape... That's all it would've taken for me to convict her of 1st degree murder. If you wade through all the confusion, and even the mistakes, it still meets the standard, imo. Premeditation can be formed in the blink of the eye. She had more than enough time to know that Caylee would die as a result of her actions... She had to cut each piece of tape, add each piece of tape, all while looking in her baby's eyes... Yah, they charged her right. Imo...

    The problem occurred before the trial, imo, in jury selection. This jury was never going to give her death, they weren't a true death qualified panel. Some didn't even believe in the death penalty, they said as much, yet they were still selected. I also think there were one or two stealth jurors who got on, and then took over in deliberations... It was over before it began...

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    Quote Originally Posted by heidisams View Post
    3 pieces of duct tape... That's all it would've taken for me to convict her of 1st degree murder. If you wade through all the confusion, and even the mistakes, it still meets the standard, imo. Premeditation can be formed in the blink of the eye. She had more than enough time to know that Caylee would die as a result of her actions... She had to cut each piece of tape, add each piece of tape, all while looking in her baby's eyes... Yah, they charged her right. Imo...

    The problem occurred before the trial, imo, in jury selection. This jury was never going to give her death, they weren't a true death qualified panel. Some didn't even believe in the death penalty, they said as much, yet they were still selected. I also think there were one or two stealth jurors who got on, and then took over in deliberations... It was over before it began...

    All jmo.
    I, personally, agree. But I think there would have been a better chance of conviction had she not been up for the death penalty. The duct tape was all it took to convince me too, but I also knew about everything else there was to know. I spent months looking at each piece of evidence. The jury didn't. I underestimated the possibility that people wouldn't want to sentence a young, pretty girl to death. That is what they saw in the courtroom, even after the pictures of the "ugly grieving," etc. The jury selection was awful too.

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    I think George perjured himself also, when he said he was "elated" when he found out his daughter was pregnant. I have a daughter in college and I told her flat out if she came to me and said she was pregnant, after spending the last several months saying she was a virgin, my first question would be, "Whose the father?" and the second would be, "Was it consensual?" I would certainly love the baby but in no way would I be elated. And if said daughter was a pathological liar and a high school dropout, I'd be even more upset.

    It's a small thing, but I think it shows how easily the family lies about pretty much anything and everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot cawfee View Post
    Nice to see that discussion is still happening for Caylee. I am jumping right in to post----apolgies if I am repeating what has been said already.

    I have always believed that Casey killed her daughter. The "drowning in the back yard pool" story does not ring true. Nor the additional lie that George was present at the time, and did not help revive Caylee. Neighbors would have heard shouts, screams etc that accompany such an event. I cannot even begin to get into the disgusting accusation that George molested Casey. If there were any truth to that, Caylee would never have been left in the presence of George. Cindy would have never trusted him. Nor Lee or Casey for that matter (IMO).
    There is no evidence that Caylee ever left the house. All of the items associated with the body apparently came from the house. Caylee was not with Casey after she left and went to live elsewhere. Her body was not in the car either, this we can be sure about otherwise there would be body fluids in the car. You could argue that her body might have been in a bag and that prevented fluids from leaking, but they supposedly recovered a "death hair" from the car. If this really was a death hair, then the body could not have been stored there in a bag, since it would have no way of getting out.

    My theory is that Casey left the house to live elsewhere, with Caylee being left in the care of the grandparents. Something happened, Caylee died and for whatever reason a decision was made not to report it. IMO the body was stored in the house long enough for some decomposition to start, and then it was put into the bag and transported in the car to the swamp. Obviously this could not have happened overnight, it was longer than that. This would explain the hair, because in that scenario a loose hair could have detached post-mortem and stuck to the outside of the bag when the body was put in it. Then it subsequently would have been deposited in the car when the bag was transported.

    That chloroform stuff was a lot of nonsense, and I have always said so. I am a chemist and I work with the stuff all the time. I found the prosecutions claims about that pressing credibility severely, and I think they went down the wrong road with all that.

    The question is, is there any evidence that Casey had the car outside of what the grandparents claimed? Because if she didn't have the car then they would be the next suspects in line and consequently you can't rely solely on what they say happened.

    I think it is entirely possible that Casey had no idea exactly what happened to her daughter until Caylee's body was recovered. In the interim she may have been basically helping to protect her parents, closing ranks around someone else in the family.

    IMO such a scenario would explain a lot of what subsequently happened. But we will never know unless one of them tells the truth about what really happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heidisams View Post
    3 pieces of duct tape... That's all it would've taken for me to convict her of 1st degree murder. If you wade through all the confusion, and even the mistakes, it still meets the standard, imo. Premeditation can be formed in the blink of the eye. She had more than enough time to know that Caylee would die as a result of her actions... She had to cut each piece of tape, add each piece of tape, all while looking in her baby's eyes... Yah, they charged her right. Imo...

    The problem occurred before the trial, imo, in jury selection. This jury was never going to give her death, they weren't a true death qualified panel. Some didn't even believe in the death penalty, they said as much, yet they were still selected. I also think there were one or two stealth jurors who got on, and then took over in deliberations... It was over before it began...

    All jmo.
    Not being "a true death qualified panel" was irrelevant since they acquitted her, meaning that the prosecution had failed to prove beyond reasonable doubt that she had murdered her child. IMO that was the correct verdict given the evidence presented since the prosecution did not prove their case. If the jury didn't believe in the death penalty they still had the option of convicting but not going with the DP in the second phase, but they acquitted with a 12-0 vote.

    If she had been charged with conspiracy to conceal a homicide, or something like that, she probably would have been convicted. IMO a reasonable case could be made for something like that. But murder was never going to fly with the evidence they had if the jury was fair and impartial. The prosecution messed up badly, they went to trial on charges to satisfy public opinion rather than based on the actual evidence they had, and paid the price for such arrogance. They probably believed that they could sway the jury with emotive argument in the absence of compelling evidence, but the jury didn't fall for that trick.

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