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    CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #2

    Mystery Highway Attacks Points to Possible Serial Shooter:
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/mystery-col...ry?id=30553323

    Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge:
    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/seri...-edge-30551158


    4 attacks so far within 3 days, someone is shooting out peoples' car windows along Hwy 1-25, one woman was shot in the neck, the incidents occurred in Larimer and Weld Counties.

    Links to other articles:

    Colorado Driver Shot in Neck, Similar Incidents Investigated:
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/w...ghway-30533600

    Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge:
    https://gma.yahoo.com/video/possible...120321595.html

    Woman shot in neck while driving on I-25 in Larimer County:
    http://kdvr.com/2015/04/23/woman-sho...arimer-county/

    http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news...dsor/26232009/

    http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news...tion/26301547/

    http://www.9news.com/story/news/loca...ings/26262315/

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    "Investigators are interested in talking to anyone who was near the area of East 1st Street and St. Louis Avenue in Loveland on the night of June 3 between 10 and 11 p.m. They also want to speak with a person driving a white Ford SUV on May 18 near Weld County roads 72 and 15. The task force believes that person may have important information about the homicide of John Jacoby while he rode his bike."

    http://kdvr.com/2015/06/09/fbi-doubl...ado-shootings/


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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    I'm unable to view the material here. Can someone please see what it says-- something about the Loveland Shooting originally being called in to dispatch as a hit and run? Tia!

    http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news...call/28763563/
    A 911 caller thought the slain man lying on the side of a normally bustling Loveland street had been hit by a car, according to dispatch recordings.

    But as William Connole, 65, bled to death on the northwest corner of East First Street and St. Louis Avenue, officers quickly realized the man had not been the latest victim of a hit-and-run crash — he'd been shot. The situation's seriousness, thrust to a heightened level with still-unsolved shootings in recent weeks, is apparent in emergency radio communications, obtained by the Coloradoan.

    Loveland officers were dispatched alongside Thompson Valley EMS and Loveland firefighters on a reported hit-and-run crash. A dispatcher said a passerby called in, saying the man was "bleeding uncontrollably."
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    I've "got a gun casing on the floor here, guys," an officer reports.

    Then the incident was immediately taken to a separate radio channel.

    As more sheriff's office deputies rushed to the scene, grasping to piece together information, it becomes clear the incident could be among the latest in a string of unsolved shootings. As of Tuesday, investigators have not officially linked the Loveland shooting to recent weeks' shootings, one fatal and one non-fatal. However, they haven't ruled out a link, either.

    Clarifying the radio chatter, Larimer County Sheriff's Office spokesman David Moore said the officer was "mistaken" and that no shell casing was recovered at the scene. Additional details about what evidence has been collected at the multiple crime scenes has not been publicly released.

    http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news...call/28763563/

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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Also from the April 30 article:

    "That stop came just hours after the Larimer County Sheriff's Office responded to an insurance firm in Fort Collins where a woman reported her rear passenger truck window had shattered while she drove I-25.

    And moments after clearing the driver from the traffic stop near Loveland, investigators responded to the park-and-ride near the Windsor exit. There, Brady Collins told investigators she was driving north on the frontage road south of Windsor when her passenger window shattered.

    "It took me about 30 seconds to a minute to realize what happened," Collins said. "I felt the side of my body to make sure I wasn't bleeding."

    No vehicles were in front of Collins, and her driver-side window was down when she heard what she called "a really, really loud pop."

    "The window just exploded into me," she said while looking at cracked remnants that lined the window's frame."
    This is the 2nd incident where a loud noise was heard. I really think some sort of exploding projectile is being used in some of these. They cannot find the projectile but they hear a loud noise.

    It is so strange. The other red car was the one where the guy heard what he called an "explosion".

    The only thing that makes any sense is if the projectile explodes which would explain no evidence found.

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    CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #2

    Please continue here

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    'Just an FYI concerning Frangible Ammunition'

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../frangible.htm

    Frangible Ammunition
    Frangible, or "soft," rounds are designed to break apart when they hit walls or other hard surfaces to prevent ricochets during close-quarters combat. Frangible ammunition represents the first viable revolutionary change to firearms science in the past 100 years. Frangible ammunition is a relatively recent development in bullets, presenting a departure from the standard projectiles in use for both range shooting and personal protection. With the advent of modern hostage rescue tactics in the 1970s and 1980s, the military and police agencies began to look for ways to minimize overpenetration risks. One widely-accepted solution was the frangible round, also known as the AET (Advanced Energy Transfer) round.

    Frangible bullets are not made from a lead projectile covered with a copper jacket, but are composites of hybrid materials either pressed together at high pressure or glued together with adhesives. Frangible bullets are designed to break up into smaller pieces upon contact with harder objects or surfaces. The polymer-compound round produces no splashback and vastly decreased ricochets.

    Frangible bullets will break up into small, less harmful, pieces upon contact with anything harder than they are. This maximizes the round's transfer of energy to the object and minimizes the chances that pieces of the bullet will exit the object at dangerous velocities. Each of the small fragments quickly loses any energy and therefore pose very little danger to any secondary targets. This means that full-power frangible bullets can be shot at target all the way up to muzzle contact without any worries that the bullet or case will ricochet and potentially hurt either the shooter or others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldpizza View Post
    Please continue here
    Thanks Coldpizza for the new thread.

    Thread 2...sigh...I hope this is the thread where the shooter is apprehended, and no more people are injured/killed.

    Thank you everyone again for your attention and efforts on these threads. Keep up the great work.

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    Foxfire, what about glaser bullets? When my ex boyfriend and I used to go shooting in the woods, we'd put those in our glock (G17, 9mm) and shoot at milk jugs, etc. Don't they expand, etc? Blow a "basketball size hole" in something, iirc?

    Eta: Ohhhhh! That's what you were talking about, Foxfire, the frangible bullet... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaser_Safety_Slug
    Last edited by margarita25; 06-10-2015 at 10:14 AM. Reason: added info

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
    'Just an FYI concerning Frangible Ammunition'

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../frangible.htm

    Frangible Ammunition
    Frangible, or "soft," rounds are designed to break apart when they hit walls or other hard surfaces to prevent ricochets during close-quarters combat. Frangible ammunition represents the first viable revolutionary change to firearms science in the past 100 years. Frangible ammunition is a relatively recent development in bullets, presenting a departure from the standard projectiles in use for both range shooting and personal protection. With the advent of modern hostage rescue tactics in the 1970s and 1980s, the military and police agencies began to look for ways to minimize overpenetration risks. One widely-accepted solution was the frangible round, also known as the AET (Advanced Energy Transfer) round.

    Frangible bullets are not made from a lead projectile covered with a copper jacket, but are composites of hybrid materials either pressed together at high pressure or glued together with adhesives. Frangible bullets are designed to break up into smaller pieces upon contact with harder objects or surfaces. The polymer-compound round produces no splashback and vastly decreased ricochets.

    Frangible bullets will break up into small, less harmful, pieces upon contact with anything harder than they are. This maximizes the round's transfer of energy to the object and minimizes the chances that pieces of the bullet will exit the object at dangerous velocities. Each of the small fragments quickly loses any energy and therefore pose very little danger to any secondary targets. This means that full-power frangible bullets can be shot at target all the way up to muzzle contact without any worries that the bullet or case will ricochet and potentially hurt either the shooter or others.

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    Thanks Foxfire.

    I think "Frangible" bullets would break apart into small particles and make it difficult if not impossible to find any fragments of the projectile, so thats a possibility.

    When I googled "exploding bullets" + "exploding ammunition", there are also some bullets that really explode on contact. But they are very hard to acquire and some people would hand make a real exploding bullet using dangerous materials.

    I ran into an article that tells how to make a home made exploding bullet. It was scary and dangerous and I did not want to link it here for obvious reasons. The instructions basically used a holllow point bullet and filled the hollow portion with chemicals that exploded when it hit something.

    That is the only type of thing that I can think of that would explain the 2 people hearing noises inside their car when their windows shatter. Both the red car and that new Truck female both describe the sound as very loud.

    So I think the sound is not just the window. It seems something is exploding at the point it hits the window.

    Its so bizarre.


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    But surely there would be evidence of the frangible bullet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Foxfire, what about glaser bullets? When When my ex boyfriend and I used to go shooting in the woods, we'd put those in our glocks and shoot at milk jugs, etc. Don't they expand, etc? Blow a "basketball size hole" in something, iirc?

    Eta: Ohhhhh! That's what you were talking about, Foxfire, the frangible bullet... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaser_Safety_Slug
    Yes, margarita25 the Glaser Blue Safety Slug is frangible bullet. The frangible bullets come in virtually every caliber of ammunition made and can be reloaded by individuals. About 4 minutes and 30 seconds into the video, the slug is fired into the gel block and disintegrates into small particles of powder upon impact. The conventional bullet entered and exited the entire jell block while remaining intact.
    Glass is a much harder material than the gel, and the frangible bullet would likely disintegrate into powder which would be difficult to detect upon visual inspection, imo. When the glass shatters, it would also leaves a powdery residue along with the glass shards..
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    More on glacers, fwiw:

    "The company produces bullets in calibers from .25 to .45 for pistols and from .223 to .30-06 for rifles. Each caliber comes in two forms, "blue" and "silver", the latter having greater penetrating power due to the use of no. 6 birdshot rather than no. 12.

    The projectile in the cartridge is of a much lighter weight than more conventional types of cartridges and so the projectiles exit the bore at significantly higher muzzle velocities. The current bullet has a core of very tightly packed lead pellets. On impact, the bullet fractures along manufactured stress lines in the jacket—imparting all the bullet's energy very quickly rather than over-penetrating a target or ricocheting on a miss. The extreme light weight and fragility of the projectile make it unsuitable for long range firing or against protected targets.


    The bullet design can produce large shallow wounds in flesh while failing to pass through structural barriers thicker than drywall or sheet metal.[4][5] These qualities make it less likely to strike unintended targets, such as people in another room during an indoor shooting. Also, when it strikes a hard surface from which a solid bullet would glance off, it fragments into tiny, light pieces and creates much less ricochet danger."

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaser_Safety_Slug

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    margarita25, didn't you post a link of a photo of CRs' bullet wounds? Could you re-post it, please? TYIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
    Yes, margarita25 the Glaser Blue Safety Slug is frangible. About 4 minutes and 30 seconds into the video, the slug is fired into the gel block and disintegrates upon impact. Glass is a much harder material than the gel, and the frangible bullet would likely disintegrate into powder which would be difficult to detect upon visual inspection, imo.
    Thanks for the information...but with all the experts / investigators on the case, and so many possible incidents, surely they would find a tiny fragment sooooomewhere? Some sort of trace? Even on the glass shard? I'm no expert at aaaall obviously, but we've seen in cases a tiny fiber, or cell, or paint chip, or fluid in forensics under a microscope...I hear what you're saying, but I still don't get how they can't find a single iota of anything...what about gsr (gun shot residue?)...
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