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    'Secret' visit from Santa Claus

    My favorite suspect is someone who has a perfect alibi. Heck they were not even in town. It appears that our illusive perp was not in town either on December 25 or the 26th, OR in the 8.8 years since, hmmm.

    Little JonBenet was picture perfect in her performances in her great little outfits, remembering lyrics and melodies, dance steps, choreography/hand and arm movements. YET we all discount that she did not know what she was talking about when she told her little friend that she was to have a secret visit from Santa Claus AFTER Christmas. Well wonder who that mighta been? Like the Nixon Watergate tapes, what did he know and when did he know it? Well when did JonBenet get that message, and who told her the news about the Secret Visit from Santa AFTER Christmas. This little girl was not dumb, she knew about a visit imop first hand from our killer. I am thinking that she received this special tidbit from someone who attended the party on December 23rd.

    IF SHE HAD been given an explanation about the circumstance of the secret visit as some have speculated that she ONLY meant that it was to come in Charlevoix at the family Christmas, then SHE WOULD HAVE GIVEN THAT Explanation. "Well, we will all be together in Charlevoix, and we will have a surprise visit from Santa etc., etc., but nopey nope she did not elaborate, because she did NOT KNOW anything further about the VISIT, imop, only that Santa was coming to give 'her' a secret visit. Refresh your thoughts about just what 'secret' means.

    Such an overkill, could very well have been done by someone who was full of the devil rum [to use a random alcoholic term]
    Then the note, ahh the note, the previous sober, but now drunk person to carry out the crime, ASKS for $118,000, what a co-inky dinky (as my husband used to say) the EXACT same amount as John Ramseys bonus. Well who would know that amount, hmmm, the person who cut the check (a person in the book keeping department of Access Graphics) a close relative, or someone who found the stub in JR's desk while drawing widdle hearts and thingies on the magazine found there.

    Who knew about the amount of the bonus, who might have told someone ELSE about the bonus? Did the close relative WANT an expensive thingie, and knew that JR HAD THE MONEY TO GIT IT, and was MAD that they were refused the money, why not? A twenty something boy/man might git real mad, particularly if he was under the influence OFTEN.

    Who made JonBenet cry the evening of the party on the 23rd? Who really called 911 the night of that party?

    Can someone post the picture again of the attendees of the party on the 23rd?

    We are just replowing the same old stuff after 8 plus years, just hoping to find some justice for a baby who did not deserve to die at the hands of a crazy person.



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    I enjoy your posts Camper.
    Sorry I dont have the answers to your questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camper
    My favorite suspect is someone who has a perfect alibi. Heck they were not even in town. It appears that our illusive perp was not in town either on December 25 or the 26th, OR in the 8.8 years since, hmmm.

    Little JonBenet was picture perfect in her performances in her great little outfits, remembering lyrics and melodies, dance steps, choreography/hand and arm movements. YET we all discount that she did not know what she was talking about when she told her little friend that she was to have a secret visit from Santa Claus AFTER Christmas. Well wonder who that mighta been? Like the Nixon Watergate tapes, what did he know and when did he know it? Well when did JonBenet get that message, and who told her the news about the Secret Visit from Santa AFTER Christmas. This little girl was not dumb, she knew about a visit imop first hand from our killer. I am thinking that she received this special tidbit from someone who attended the party on December 23rd.

    IF SHE HAD been given an explanation about the circumstance of the secret visit as some have speculated that she ONLY meant that it was to come in Charlevoix at the family Christmas, then SHE WOULD HAVE GIVEN THAT Explanation. "Well, we will all be together in Charlevoix, and we will have a surprise visit from Santa etc., etc., but nopey nope she did not elaborate, because she did NOT KNOW anything further about the VISIT, imop, only that Santa was coming to give 'her' a secret visit. Refresh your thoughts about just what 'secret' means.

    Such an overkill, could very well have been done by someone who was full of the devil rum [to use a random alcoholic term]
    Then the note, ahh the note, the previous sober, but now drunk person to carry out the crime, ASKS for $118,000, what a co-inky dinky (as my husband used to say) the EXACT same amount as John Ramseys bonus. Well who would know that amount, hmmm, the person who cut the check (a person in the book keeping department of Access Graphics) a close relative, or someone who found the stub in JR's desk while drawing widdle hearts and thingies on the magazine found there.

    Who knew about the amount of the bonus, who might have told someone ELSE about the bonus? Did the close relative WANT an expensive thingie, and knew that JR HAD THE MONEY TO GIT IT, and was MAD that they were refused the money, why not? A twenty something boy/man might git real mad, particularly if he was under the influence OFTEN.

    Who made JonBenet cry the evening of the party on the 23rd? Who really called 911 the night of that party?

    Can someone post the picture again of the attendees of the party on the 23rd?

    We are just replowing the same old stuff after 8 plus years, just hoping to find some justice for a baby who did not deserve to die at the hands of a crazy person.



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    Camper,

    I don't have answers to all your questions either.

    But I do believe that whether it was a Ramsey or intruder,the motions were being set starting on December 23,1996.

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    Santa's Secret Elf

    Camper,
    You are sharp. My understanding from your post is that JB did not elaborate further about "secret visit" because it was intended not to be in Charlevoix. However, it seems to me that would also leave it open to any insidious perp living in Boulder.

    If the "secret visit" by Santa is connected to her death, then that santa's evil elf likely knew about the family plans for their early flight to Charlevoix. If IDI, then the elf also either knew about their plans for dinner at the Whites, or knew about the broken window, or had a key.

    I have a problem with your false alibi theory of the twenty year old, and that is that there is no evidence or smoke about it. And why would PR go along with its coverup?

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    I am just wondering if this could be a theory because I read on another board that maybe it could have been JonBenet who let this "Serect Santa" into her house the night of the murder and it could have been the "Secret Santa" who killed her. In the book "JonBenet The police files" John said that 'if an intruder came in the house and took JB from her bedroom it had to be someone JB trusted and knew because otherwise she would have screamed and fought the person who was trying to take her down stairs.'
    Aunt Pam: JonBenet why don't you put your shoes on? JonBenet: Because I want to feel the rhythm of the earth under my feet.

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    Lightbulb Someone There May Not Have Posed W/ Group

    Maybe someone could still post the picture, and someone would get some intuition.

    But someone this evil and shady also may have escaped to a bathroom, or otherwise simply avoided being in the group picture. and may even have been forgotten by the R's and the other party guests.

    Were Gaston and Cox in the picture, FW's guests from California? Not saying they're perps, just don't remember if I saw them in it.

    As always, I too enjoy your posts, Camper. We've discussed that I too had a rather large family and we took them camping, belong to an art guild. Guess you're getting a lot of notices of fall exhibits as I am. It's going to be a busy year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camper
    Such an overkill, could very well have been done by someone who was full of the devil rum [to use a random alcoholic term]
    Then the note, ahh the note, the previous sober, but now drunk person to carry out the crime, ASKS for $118,000, what a co-inky dinky (as my husband used to say) the EXACT same amount as John Ramseys bonus. Well who would know that amount, hmmm, the person who cut the check (a person in the book keeping department of Access Graphics) a close relative, or someone who found the stub in JR's desk while drawing widdle hearts and thingies on the magazine found there.

    Who knew about the amount of the bonus, who might have told someone ELSE about the bonus? Did the close relative WANT an expensive thingie, and knew that JR HAD THE MONEY TO GIT IT, and was MAD that they were refused the money, why not? A twenty something boy/man might git real mad, particularly if he was under the influence OFTEN.



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    Im just wondering if the implication here it that JAR is an alcoholic? Maybe I've missed this fact. Does anyone have any evidence that he is and were it can be found?

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    Im just wondering if the implication here it that JAR is an alcoholic? Maybe I've missed this fact. Does anyone have any evidence that he is and were it can be found?
    Does there have to be? Does it matter? Isn't this all about entertainment?

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    I believe that the secret santa visit refers to the fact that the ramseys were having a second Christmas in Charlevoix with the "big kids".

    I believe there was at least one incident involving JAR and alchohol. Not sure it was a big deal - most young men get inebriated fro time to time and often do things they wouldn't be proud of in the morning. Like Tony Blair's son - a bigger fuss was made because it was John-Andrew Ramsey.
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    The "Secret Santa" is in reference to the letter found torn in JonBenet's wastebasket. It was a letter from her secret santa wishing her a merry christmas and such and such.

    What BPD was theorizing was this:....that John Ramsey wrote the secret santa letter and slipped it in JonBenet's room.

    John Ramsey was the "SECRET SANTA".

    This is my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toltec
    The "Secret Santa" is in reference to the letter found torn in JonBenet's wastebasket. It was a letter from her secret santa wishing her a merry christmas and such and such.

    What BPD was theorizing was this:....that John Ramsey wrote the secret santa letter and slipped it in JonBenet's room.

    John Ramsey was the "SECRET SANTA".

    This is my opinion.
    I think the letter in the wastepaper basket and the secret santa visit are two separate things. She told her friend's mum that santa was coming to visit her after christmas and that it was a secret. I think THAT refers to the 2nd Xmas in Charlevoix. I don't know enough about the letter in the wastepaper basket to have an opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles
    I think the letter in the wastepaper basket and the secret santa visit are two separate things. She told her friend's mum that santa was coming to visit her after christmas and that it was a secret. I think THAT refers to the 2nd Xmas in Charlevoix. I don't know enough about the letter in the wastepaper basket to have an opinion.
    I agree. Although when I reread Barbara Kostanick's statement it seems more ominous. Could JonBenet differentiate between McSanta and run-of-the-mill Santas? I have a vague memory of reading that Patsy said she hadn't discussed the trip to Chx in those terms.

    PMPT ppbk p50

    [JonBenet] said "oh, Santa was at our Christmas party the other night." Megan had seen Santa at the Pearl Street Mall, so we talked about that.

    Then JonBenet said, "Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas."

    I thought she was confused. "Christmas is tonight," I told her. "And Santa will be coming tonight."

    "No, no," JonBenet insisted. "He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles
    I think the letter in the wastepaper basket and the secret santa visit are two separate things. She told her friend's mum that santa was coming to visit her after christmas and that it was a secret. I think THAT refers to the 2nd Xmas in Charlevoix. I don't know enough about the letter in the wastepaper basket to have an opinion.
    Well its not a secret once she mentions it. And if she is to have a visit after christmas, how do we know which Christmas JonBenet was referring to, Boulder or Charlevoix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy
    Well its not a secret once she mentions it. And if she is to have a visit after christmas, how do we know which Christmas JonBenet was referring to, Boulder or Charlevoix?
    Why would you think she would even care or know for sure? Do you think this "Santa" told her in great detail about this visit? Day, Time and place? I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zman
    Why would you think she would even care or know for sure? Do you think this "Santa" told her in great detail about this visit? Day, Time and place? I don't think so.
    I think she "cared" because she chose to offer this information in reply to Megan having met Santa at the mall, and him appearing at her Christmas party, which was prior to the 25th.

    So JonBenet obviously understood time in its past, present, and future tenses.

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