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    Arrow Fire Island Jane Doe


    Fire Island Jane Doe
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    20 April 1996


    "The decedents left and right legs were recovered on April 20, 1996 at Blue Point Beach in the vicinity of Davis Park, Suffolk County NY." (CBS New York)

    People walking along Blue Point Beach on Fire Island in the vicinity of Davis Park discovered the victim's legs on April 20, 1996.
    The legs had been wrapped in plastic.

    She is known as Fire Island Jane Doe and is one of eleven victims found along the remote Long Island highway. (Doe Network)

    11/12 April 2011

    "The decedents skull was recovered on April 12, 2011 off of Ocean Pkwy in Nassau County, NY, near a bird sanctuary." (CBS New York)

    April 12, 2011, the victim's skull was found off of Ocean Parkway west of Tobay Beach in Nassau County. (Doe Network)


    Adult White Female, pre-50
    Post mortem interval - 15 years
    Probable year of death - 1996

    • Right lower leg has a 3-1/2" scar on the lateral mid leg area, a 1" linear scar on the lateral mid to lower leg and a 1/2" scar on the medial ankle.
    • The left leg has a 2" surgical scar with adjacent suture scars on the medial left ankle.
    • The decedent had red toenail polish on all toes.
    • The decedent may have had surgery on her left ankle.


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    I'm reposting here:

    Hi Rachel & Josh here, some of you may have read we are partnering with Tricia & Websleuths on a docu-series covering 5 unsolved serial killer cases. LISK is one of them and we would like to work with websleuthers in helping to identify the Jane, John, and Toddler Does connected to the case. We definitely understand there's been a lot of time and energy put into this already by websleuthers and the community, we're hoping to inject new energy into identifying. We will have a access to wide television audience who in additional can hopefully help.

    I'll be posting to the threads for the other identified, please don't be shy... contact us. We are looking for some lead websleuthers to work with us as well, please reach out. Already we've heard from a lot of you on LISK and other cases. It takes a village!

    Best,
    Rachel & Josh

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    If we are to assume that all bodies found on ocean Parkway have been disposed off by the same killer....then our story begins in 1996 with the legs found at Davis Park Fire Island..... at some point the discussion needs to start again where the story began...

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    It has been suggested that these remains may have found their way to fire Island due to the Noreaster conditions during January 1996...the only problem with this thought is the legs were contained in plastic bags...mmm..and found at easter...still with enough flesh and detail (nail polish).......could the legs at Fire Island be this serial killers first mistake??????

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    Some time ago I was able to nail down what I believe to be the precise location of where the skull of this victim was located. I used some of the footage from the news chopper flying overhead showing LE scouring a site close to the road with LE vehicles parked nearby and investigators milling around. I think it might have been from one of the documentaries.
    I cross referenced marks on the road, trees nearby and some type of utility box across the road as reference, you can also clearly see in 2012 imagery what I think is the cleared out area they were searching.

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    2012 imagery zoomed in
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    what it looks like presently
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    https://goo.gl/maps/Vp2OH
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    If that's the location -- and I think you're right -- then it is entirely possible that the remains in the plastic bags washed away in the storms of January 1996 and were washed along the coast. Besides heavy snow, the storm brought severe flooding. The Gilgo Beach area was very hard hit.

    "Along the south shore of Long Island, a 50-year old Casino bar and restaurant in Davis Park was swept into the Atlantic while Gilgo Beach lost 50 to 75 feet of sand." http://m.weatherbug.com/weather-news...-reports/14453
    Last edited by bessie; 06-23-2015 at 01:51 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    If that's the location -- and I think you're right -- then it is entirely possible that the remains in the plastic bags washed away in the storms of January 1996 and were washed along the coast. Besides heavy snow, the storm brought severe flooding. The Gilgo Beach area was very hard hit.

    "Along the south shore of Long Island, a 50-year old Casino bar and restaurant in Davis Park was swept into the Atlantic while Gilgo Beach lost 50 to 75 feet of sand." http://m.weatherbug.com/weather-news...-reports/14453
    Completely plausible....

    but my doubt stems from the fact: If we assume the bag containing the legs, floated away during those storms and found their way to fire Island.......wouldn't it be reasonable to assume the skull, which going by the murderers dump pattern..... would have been very close if not along side them... and similarly been dislodged, floated to another location... yet the skull doesn't appeared to have moved from it's original (sticking with the pattern) site some meters from the brush along the roadway.

    Also thanks to Bessie posting up Shadowraiths map....I had completely forgotten about the jaw bone found @ Ho Hum Beach - It would be great if we knew if these remains matched any of the victims found on ocean parkway.

    LR1 your photos are great and I think you are right about the location of the find.... If correct that would put the remains only metres from a drain off ditch - which feeds back into the ocean side...that is another reason I am suspicious that the legs didn't float their way to fire Island. I have tried to find a topographical map for that particular area...but as yet no luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danse_Macabre View Post
    I'm reposting here:

    Hi Rachel & Josh here, some of you may have read we are partnering with Tricia & Websleuths on a docu-series covering 5 unsolved serial killer cases. LISK is one of them and we would like to work with websleuthers in helping to identify the Jane, John, and Toddler Does connected to the case. We definitely understand there's been a lot of time and energy put into this already by websleuthers and the community, we're hoping to inject new energy into identifying. We will have a access to wide television audience who in additional can hopefully help


    I'll be posting to the threads for the other identified, please don't be shy... contact us. We are looking for some lead websleuthers to work with us as well, please reach out. Already we've heard from a lot of you on LISK and other cases. It takes a village!

    Best,
    Rachel & Josh
    I haven't been here on the LISK case as long as some other's... but do recall reading a thread where many missing person's names were put forward in relation to the Jane Does. I'm sorry I don't recall the exact thread...but quite a few names were mentioned...maybe if a member who has been on this particular case can recall they can direct you....

    Also I'm not 100% sure but I think there is another section on Websleuths that members work solely on trying to identify Jane/John Does...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puggle View Post
    Completely plausible....

    but my doubt stems from the fact: If we assume the bag containing the legs, floated away during those storms and found their way to fire Island.......wouldn't it be reasonable to assume the skull, which going by the murderers dump pattern..... would have been very close if not along side them... and similarly been dislodged, floated to another location... yet the skull doesn't appeared to have moved from it's original (sticking with the pattern) site some meters from the brush along the roadway.

    Also thanks to Bessie posting up Shadowraiths map....I had completely forgotten about the jaw bone found @ Ho Hum Beach - It would be great if we knew if these remains matched any of the victims found on ocean parkway.

    LR1 your photos are great and I think you are right about the location of the find.... If correct that would put the remains only metres from a drain off ditch - which feeds back into the ocean side...that is another reason I am suspicious that the legs didn't float their way to fire Island. I have tried to find a topographical map for that particular area...but as yet no luck.
    Not necessarily. The skull is heavier, and the bag could have served as a sort of water-sail to lift the legs.

    I agree it doesn't seem that likely, and while the killer's main pattern seems to have been to leave everything close together, others were widely separated. Manorville Jane Doe, for instance. So I suspect that's just where he left them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    Not necessarily. The skull is heavier, and the bag could have served as a sort of water-sail to lift the legs.

    I agree it doesn't seem that likely, and while the killer's main pattern seems to have been to leave everything close together, others were widely separated. Manorville Jane Doe, for instance. So I suspect that's just where he left them.
    ITA carbuff. I think the bags would have provided the legs additional buoyancy, and therefore I find it highly unlikely that both legs would have travelled in unison in order to have both been found in Davis Park on the same day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sillybilly View Post
    ITA carbuff. I think the bags would have provided the legs additional buoyancy, and therefore I find it highly unlikely that both legs would have travelled in unison in order to have both been found in Davis Park on the same day.
    Both legs were contained in the one bag.

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    red nail polish is a very good detail-----I wonder at the condition of the pedi and her feet/toes-----I ask b/c I am thinking of a professional job versus an at home pedi---and further question as to any wear on her toenails----thinking of foot wear----sandals/flipflops versus closed toed shoes----may help narrow down the time of year she went missing.

    Fire Island is a pretty small community------would someone look to dump a body there? I lean toward our lady being a victim of foul play and storms causing her remains to be moved.
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    I'm sure that the authorities have looked at missing women from all over the Northeastern U.S., but I wonder if they have spent much time considering Canadian missing women, particularly those missing from the eastern provinces.

    Here is a woman missing from Saint Jerome Quebec, who might be worthy of consideration in comparison to Fire Island Jane Doe:

    Chantal Picotte



    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1451dfqc.html

    She was last seen about 5 months before the discovery of her legs.

    We don't have a direct straight-on photo of her to overlay with the facial reconstruction, but just from eyeballing the comparison, their facial shapes are very similar.

    We don't have a height estimate for Fire Island Jane Doe. Chantal was quite short at about 4 feet 10 inches

    DoeNetwork doesn't provide much on the circumstances of her disappearance, but the Canadian MP site provides the following:

    On November 24th 1995, Chantal PICOTTE’s mother reports to the police station to inform them of the disappearance of her daughter. She states that Wednesday, November 22nd in the evening, her daughter called asking her to come see her. The next day, Mrs. Picotte mother went to her daughter’s residence, but her daughter wasn’t there. She called her several times but in vain. Chantal PICOTTE was seen for the last time in the evening of Wednesday, November 22nd 1995 at a Saint-Jérôme’s bar.
    https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/missin...17&id=&lang=en

    Nothing in that narrative that would seem inconsistent with the possibility that she might have taken a trip to the New York area with someone whom she met at the bar.

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    Maybe? This girl had a lot of tattoos, but we don't have a torso for the FI Jane Doe, do we?

    http://www.nampn.org/cases/murchison-dunbar_lori.html
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    There was one article about the legs being found in the Long Island Advocate in 1996. Between that time and the time the skull was linked to the them, has anyone found another article talking just about the legs?

    Thanks,
    Rachel

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