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    I created this animated GIF to show how the recon aligns to Chantal Picotte's face.

    Chantal's face is turned slightly to her right, so the overlay isn't perfectly compatible with the recon, but it gives a pretty good look at how similar her facial shape is to the recon.




    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I'm sure that the authorities have looked at missing women from all over the Northeastern U.S., but I wonder if they have spent much time considering Canadian missing women, particularly those missing from the eastern provinces.

    Here is a woman missing from Saint Jerome Quebec, who might be worthy of consideration in comparison to Fire Island Jane Doe:

    Chantal Picotte



    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1451dfqc.html

    She was last seen about 5 months before the discovery of her legs.

    We don't have a direct straight-on photo of her to overlay with the facial reconstruction, but just from eyeballing the comparison, their facial shapes are very similar.

    We don't have a height estimate for Fire Island Jane Doe. Chantal was quite short at about 4 feet 10 inches

    DoeNetwork doesn't provide much on the circumstances of her disappearance, but the Canadian MP site provides the following:



    https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/missin...17&id=&lang=en

    Nothing in that narrative that would seem inconsistent with the possibility that she might have taken a trip to the New York area with someone whom she met at the bar.

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    Just a thought and please forgive the morbidity..............is it possible that body parts were held (for what ever reason.....sick purposes.....trophies....unable to dispose of at time) and then discarded ??????
    The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist.

    Three candles that illume every darkness: truth, nature, knowledge.


    "There, isn't this a beautiful piece of cloth!", exclaimed the swindlers, as they described the lovely design that didn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I created this animated GIF to show how the recon aligns to Chantal Picotte's face.

    Chantal's face is turned slightly to her right, so the overlay isn't perfectly compatible with the recon, but it gives a pretty good look at how similar her facial shape is to the recon.
    They do look similar to me, it would be nice if we could find out if Chantal had any surgery to her left ankle, that's our best clue with this one. I know its almost impossible to tell the age from a recon, I've thought she looked mid twenties at best.

    Another long shot that I had found some time ago, and its strictly on looks, the circumstances and time frame most likely rules her out but the Markovich girl from Blairsville, Pennsylvania, missing since 1987 to me has a similar look in some of her photos.
    Last edited by LR1; 08-26-2015 at 10:16 PM. Reason: too to two wtevr

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    I am not sure where I should post this comment. It really could apply to all the LISK victims. However I figured to start where the victims seem to start. She is the earliest known victim. As her legs were found in 1996 and her skull showing up along the long island beaches in 2011.

    I just want to mention the name John Bittrolff. Has anyone heard of this Carpenter from Manorville, NY? He was arrested in July 2014 for the 20 year old murders of two maybe three prostitutes, found near Manorville, NY in 1993-94.

    I find it interesting that he has been ruled out so quickly as the LISK. DNA links him to two of the 93-94 murders. One in Nov 93 and the other in Jan 94. If the third is linked to him, She was killed in Dec 93. That's one victim a month. Do you really think he would just stop? That's hard to believe, especially since he got away with those for so long?

    He was arrested in 90 for assault. So maybe that's when he graduated to killing. To avoid further arrest. Then the first murder victims were able to be identified, so he graduated to mutilating the bodies making it harder for the police. As a carpenter I would imagine he has a wide variety of tools that he could use to help him dismember some of the bodies. A box cutter razor blade would have been a handy mans tool. Thinking of the mutilated tattoo of Jessica Taylor. Whose Torso was found in 2003 in Manorville, NY.

    Below is an article that makes some links between one of the victims Rita Tangredi of John Bittrolff and a victim of the LISK. Tangredi's Daughter was a close friend to Melissa Barthelemy who was the first victim found along Ocean Parkway. Remember Melissa's sister was the one who received those taunting calls from who is believed to be the murderer. This article also finds a connection between one of the 4 Atlantic City Golden Key Motel murders of 2006. Molly Jean Dilts Found in NJ was Facebook friends with Amber Lynn Costello, another of the LISK victims.
    http://pix11.com/2015/03/17/from-gil...er-by-the-sea/

    You think LE was to quick to rule him out? I think that would need a lot more investigating and maybe interrogating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticJynx View Post
    I am not sure where I should post this comment. It really could apply to all the LISK victims. However I figured to start where the victims seem to start. She is the earliest known victim. As her legs were found in 1996 and her skull showing up along the long island beaches in 2011.

    I just want to mention the name John Bittrolff. Has anyone heard of this Carpenter from Manorville, NY? He was arrested in July 2014 for the 20 year old murders of two maybe three prostitutes, found near Manorville, NY in 1993-94.

    I find it interesting that he has been ruled out so quickly as the LISK. DNA links him to two of the 93-94 murders. One in Nov 93 and the other in Jan 94. If the third is linked to him, She was killed in Dec 93. That's one victim a month. Do you really think he would just stop? That's hard to believe, especially since he got away with those for so long?

    He was arrested in 90 for assault. So maybe that's when he graduated to killing. To avoid further arrest. Then the first murder victims were able to be identified, so he graduated to mutilating the bodies making it harder for the police. As a carpenter I would imagine he has a wide variety of tools that he could use to help him dismember some of the bodies. A box cutter razor blade would have been a handy mans tool. Thinking of the mutilated tattoo of Jessica Taylor. Whose Torso was found in 2003 in Manorville, NY.

    Below is an article that makes some links between one of the victims Rita Tangredi of John Bittrolff and a victim of the LISK. Tangredi's Daughter was a close friend to Melissa Barthelemy who was the first victim found along Ocean Parkway. Remember Melissa's sister was the one who received those taunting calls from who is believed to be the murderer. This article also finds a connection between one of the 4 Atlantic City Golden Key Motel murders of 2006. Molly Jean Dilts Found in NJ was Facebook friends with Amber Lynn Costello, another of the LISK victims.
    http://pix11.com/2015/03/17/from-gil...er-by-the-sea/

    You think LE was to quick to rule him out? I think that would need a lot more investigating and maybe interrogating?
    Not sure what to say.....but something weird is definitely going on....can't even find a quick link here to all the many posts made by members over the years..???? why is it so hard to find our forum posts on LISK??? or is it just me?....I used to be able to go to the parking lot and click and simply find multiple posts and threads on LISK...but now they all seem to have vanished....lucky to have found this thread it seems...???....what's going on??.....Bittrollff is a big question mark for me also....along with some deleted aerial pics of his brother's of ocean parkway from his (his brothers) facebook account soon after John was arrested ...why was his brother taking aerial shots specifically of the ocean beach parkway from a seaplane - that's all he uploaded and posted on FB....only to delete them once his brother was arrested???
    Last edited by Puggle; 03-03-2016 at 09:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I created this animated GIF to show how the recon aligns to Chantal Picotte's face.

    Chantal's face is turned slightly to her right, so the overlay isn't perfectly compatible with the recon, but it gives a pretty good look at how similar her facial shape is to the recon.

    Its a really good likeness....has she been ruled out???

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    Arrr having a blonde moment.....found our forum posts and various threads...please ignore me...

    (Red faced...turns and walks out the door hoping no one noticed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puggle View Post
    Arrr having a blonde moment.....found our forum posts and various threads...please ignore me...

    (Red faced...turns and walks out the door hoping no one noticed)
    Ha.
    In the event anyone else is having trouble finding all of the LISK posts, they are in the members only section of the site.

    Direct link is here:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/for...-Serial-Killer

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticJynx View Post
    I just want to mention the name John Bittrolff. Has anyone heard of this Carpenter from Manorville, NY? He was arrested in July 2014 for the 20 year old murders of two maybe three prostitutes, found near Manorville, NY in 1993-94.
    Yep, he's a definite wildcard.
    Link to his threads here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ff-ARRESTED*-2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puggle View Post
    Not sure what to say.....but something weird is definitely going on....can't even find a quick link here to all the many posts made by members over the years..???? why is it so hard to find our forum posts on LISK??? or is it just me?....I used to be able to go to the parking lot and click and simply find multiple posts and threads on LISK...but now they all seem to have vanished....lucky to have found this thread it seems...???....what's going on??.....Bittrollff is a big question mark for me also....along with some deleted aerial pics of his brother's of ocean parkway from his (his brothers) facebook account soon after John was arrested ...why was his brother taking aerial shots specifically of the ocean beach parkway from a seaplane - that's all he uploaded and posted on FB....only to delete them once his brother was arrested???
    Pug did you manage to capture any of the photos from a seaplane? Take a look at Seaslug44's early posts and try to find the the pictures from the seaplane. He posted a ton. I am wondering if they might be the same images Bittrolff's brother had.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Danse_Macabre View Post
    There was one article about the legs being found in the Long Island Advocate in 1996. Between that time and the time the skull was linked to the them, has anyone found another article talking just about the legs?

    Thanks,
    Rachel
    I realize this is like a year after you asked this but I have a copy of the original news article about the legs that were found on FI! Sorry it isn't the best quality but luckily it's still legible!
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    John Bittrolf any updates?2016

    Quote Originally Posted by MysticJynx View Post
    I am not sure where I should post this comment. It really could apply to all the LISK victims. However I figured to start where the victims seem to start. She is the earliest known victim. As her legs were found in 1996 and her skull showing up along the long island beaches in 2011.

    I just want to mention the name John Bittrolff. Has anyone heard of this Carpenter from Manorville, NY? He was arrested in July 2014 for the 20 year old murders of two maybe three prostitutes, found near Manorville, NY in 1993-94.

    I find it interesting that he has been ruled out so quickly as the LISK. DNA links him to two of the 93-94 murders. One in Nov 93 and the other in Jan 94. If the third is linked to him, She was killed in Dec 93. That's one victim a month. Do you really think he would just stop? That's hard to believe, especially since he got away with those for so long?

    He was arrested in 90 for assault. So maybe that's when he graduated to killing. To avoid further arrest. Then the first murder victims were able to be identified, so he graduated to mutilating the bodies making it harder for the police. As a carpenter I would imagine he has a wide variety of tools that he could use to help him dismember some of the bodies. A box cutter razor blade would have been a handy mans tool. Thinking of the mutilated tattoo of Jessica Taylor. Whose Torso was found in 2003 in Manorville, NY.

    Below is an article that makes some links between one of the victims Rita Tangredi of John Bittrolff and a victim of the LISK. Tangredi's Daughter was a close friend to Melissa Barthelemy who was the first victim found along Ocean Parkway. Remember Melissa's sister was the one who received those taunting calls from who is believed to be the murderer. This article also finds a connection between one of the 4 Atlantic City Golden Key Motel murders of 2006. Molly Jean Dilts Found in NJ was Facebook friends with Amber Lynn Costello, another of the LISK victims.
    http://pix11.com/2015/03/17/from-gil...er-by-the-sea/

    You think LE was to quick to rule him out? I think that would need a lot more investigating and maybe interrogating?
    I was searching the web today to find out if he had been prosecuted or where he is and could not find anything. Not privy to a lot of out East local media. I think clearly that there are some links to his victims, body parts to LISK and have always thought he fit the profile so well.

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    Misty Dawn Ortega missing from Texas since August 1995 resembles the sketch. Her younger sister, who is also missing resembles the sketch as well but Misty a lot more IMO, they are both on the younger side though about 17-18 years old.

    http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/812788/2
    Last edited by not_ur_mrs; 11-16-2016 at 02:43 PM.

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    Again, don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I have a suggestion on who may match Fire Island Jane Doe. The middle picture appears to be a high school picture near the time of her disapperance. The last picture I superimposed FI Jane Doe with an age progression of Heidi Wilbur.

    Heidi Dawn Wilbur, Namus MP #6974 aged 16, went missing from Vermont February 1991. 5' 4" 100 lbs. at the time of her disapperance. She has numerous scars listed, including leg and is listed as endangered runaway. Authorities believe she hitchhiked out of the area. Additionally, she would have been 21 years old in 1996.



    Further details
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wilbur_heide.html

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/6974/283/





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    Last edited by coffeeandacig; 11-20-2016 at 06:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnilam View Post
    I realize this is like a year after you asked this but I have a copy of the original news article about the legs that were found on FI! Sorry it isn't the best quality but luckily it's still legible!
    Amazing find, thank you so much for sharing this Alnilam.
    my opinions only

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