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    Clues and Tattoos

    Tattoos seem to be the link between many victims. Here are is a source from the NYjournal about the unidentified victim who was found dismembered in a suitcase in Mamaroneck. This article is about using the public's help to id her thru her tattoo:

    Question Mamaroneck Police Look to Tattoo to ID Woman's Torso
    MAMARONECK - Village police are flooding local tattoo parlors with flyers in their latest attempt to identify a woman's torso that washed up at Harbor Island Park over the weekend.

    Detectives hope that Lower Hudson Valley tattoo artists can provide a clue to the body art on the woman's remains - the most significant piece of evidence police have to work with.

    "We're going to start in Westchester and the New York metropolitan area," said Mamaroneck Village Police Lt. James Gaffney.

    "There is no one area or no one parlor," he said. "We're going into these different areas because we feel obviously that is the best place to get a connection."

    Police said the woman was likely Hispanic, 5-foot-4 to 5-foot-6 in height, 35 to 50 years old, and weighing 180 to 200 pounds.

    Little else is known about the woman, whose limbless and headless torso was stashed in a suitcase found Saturday on the Harbor Island Park beach.

    Gaffney said there are no "hot leads" in the case, but there have been telephone calls and a few leads to follow up on.

    The probe is focused on the small tattoo above the woman's right breast, which shows two cherries with two leaves and a long stem. The entire design is less than 2 inches tall.

    The image will be included on a flyer Mamaroneck police will distribute at area tattoo parlors, hoping artists or body-art aficionados will recognize the design.

    Tattoo artists told The Journal News this week that the tattoo appears to be "a cover up" - a tattoo inked to cover up an earlier one.

    "It's the type of case where you don't get quick results, and as a result you have to explore all your options," Gaffney said.



    (This clip is from nyjournalnews but is no longer even on the web i pasted it from the crimeshots forum. here is ws thread about the case featuring some more links but this specific article is the only one I see which mentions the tattoo being a cover up: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/arc...p/t-47571.html

    Now if the tattoo was a coverup I believe it's possible the SK may have given the tattoo to cover up her tattoo which her family could identify.
    Let's take a look back on the 1997 Peaches case "NCIC#: U-037859772 “Peaches”: In 1997 a woman’s torso was found in a black garbage bag, stuffed into a Rubbermaid container along with a floral pillow sham and red towel, in Hempstead Lake State Park in West Hempstead. Her head, arms, and legs were never found. her only identifying mark was a heart-shaped peach tattoo on her left breast. Neither her identity, nor her killer’s, has been determined. Photo credit: Nassau County Police Department, Homicide Squad" source http://archive.longislandpress.com/2...urder-victims/

    Police received a tip in this case: With little to go on, Brosnan had a photograph of the peach tattoo printed in a national tattoo magazine.

    “This tattoo was kind of unique,” he says. “I’ve always thought that somebody would recognize her.”

    One man did.

    A Connecticut tattoo artist recognized the picture and remembered the girl he had given it to, a young black woman, aged 16-30, visiting from Long Island. She came into his shop with her aunt and cousin, and she mentioned something about having boyfriend problems.


    -From LIpress above link....the Connecticut Tattoo artist...calls in and tells a story about Peaches which cannot be verified. It's a way for him to insert himself into the investigation and again its in the form of a phone call...just like Shannan's family, Melissa's sister and boyfriend and Megan's mom were all called. If the SK is a tattoo artist he may know the girls from giving them tattoos. When Amber left the house in sweatpants and a hoodie she could have been going to get a tattoo, Dave Schaller has alot of tattoos! A tattoo artist could cover up any identifiable tattoo. Perhaps he GAVE JT her Remy's Angel tattoo and that's why he tried to cover it up. He could also know John Terry had tattoos on his back because he was the Tattoo Artist who gave them to Terry!

    "she mentioned something about having boyfriend problems"...This is very significant! The caller inserts himself into case and make a statement to steer the direction of the investigation towards the victims boyfriend. I think officer Brosnan mightve gotten one pulled over on him. Peaches may not have been from LI but it was way for the SK to get the police looking in the wrong location for the wrong suspect. If the young girl was visiting from Long Island and was close with her Aunt or Cousin there is a much greater likelihood her Aunt or Cousin might report her missing or hear about Peaches found on Long Island..so she may have been from somewhere else.

    Tattoos seem to be the common denominator in this case and I think the Tattoo Artist call to officer Brosnan about Peaches was the SK calling to play with the police. The SK could be a Tattoo Artist since he knew John Terry's tattoos on his back. I would like to find out who gave John Terry those tattoos. He could have covered up the Mamaroneck womens tattoo with the Cherries because the police the say the Tattoo was a a coverup. Cherries, Peaches, Shannan had a cherry tattoo...i would like to organize all the info we have on tattoos in this case>
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    Quote Originally Posted by LindsayLohan6 View Post
    Tattoos seem to be the link between many victims. Here are is a source from the NYjournal about the unidentified victim who was found dismembered in a suitcase in Mamaroneck. This article is about using the public's help to id her thru her tattoo:
    <rsbm>

    I like this idea for a topic thread. I only see one problem with your post, and I'll describe it here for everyone's benefit.

    1. We don't post entire articles. The (WS) copyright rule says 10% can be copied and pasted.

    2. We must always include a link to the original source, which is primarily MSM. When the MSM link is no longer available, but the article is posted in entirety on another site (i.e., a message board, blog, google drive) with the original link, we can substitute a link to that site. The exception would be a site that is banned on WS. If that's the only source, then forget it. The link won't be allowed.

    Can you post a link to the forum where the article appears, please?

    TIA!
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    FYI: I moved the original tattoo thread to this sub-forum, and merged it with the new thread.
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    i always interpreted the slicing of the remy's angel tattoo as being done to say she's mine now, not yours(which also fueled some speculation elsewhere that this was gang-related rivalry)....if they were doing it as a forensic countermeasure, i believe, the sk would have gouged it completely out of the body..peaches and cherries are untouched(i believe, at least peaches was)..i believe the police have misinterpreted the gouging scratch out..just my humble interpretation, but one that i 99% feel right about

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    Someone with a peach tattoo may be from Georgie. The peach state. This killer is familar with areas where people go fishing. Perhaps LE should check with the NYS of DEC and see who has a fishing license. Bodies found in state parks with lakes and other areas near water says fisherman. Not clammer. That may be the burlap connection.

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    bessie here is the link i copied the article from: http://www.crimeshots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5686

    Dee, georgia...where the drifter's mother said he had gone..good thinking

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    THE GB4

    Megan Waterman : " Liette " on upper left arm, Capricorn sign on lower left arm, tribal tattoo on lower back.

    Melissa Barthelemy: "Blaze" on upper back. (Interesting to note that, according to Johnny "Blaze" Terry, LISK called him on the phone and mentioned the tattoos on Terry's back.)

    Maureen Brainard Barnes: "Nicolette", gray and black lilies, a red rose. Location of tattoos unknown.


    Amber Lynn Costello: (From a single source, so take this with a grain of salt) Several tattoos. "Kaos" on her neck, a butterfly (unknown location), and Margaret (unknown location).

    OTHERS

    Shannan Gilbert : Cherries on her left wrist, scorpion on her back.

    Jessica Taylor: "Remy's Angel" on back.

    Jane Doe 6: Police believe she may have had a tattoo on her right ankle, since that part of her body had been cut off.

    HEMPSTEAD

    "Peaches" : Torso found in a Rubbermaid container, tattoo of a heart-shaped peach with a bite taken out of it over left breast.
    Some photos can be seen here:
    http://assets.longislandpress.com/ph...&gazimage=5482

    MAMARONEK

    Stabbed torso of a (possibly) Hispanic woman found in a suitcase that washed ashore on Mamaronek Beach. Tattoo of two cherries on her right breast. (Her right leg and foot later washed up in Cold Springs Harbor).
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    I've always felt that with JT's tattoo the SK didn't like that she referred to her self as an angel. Seems to me a little bit of hate and rage mixed in with the cuts and gauges. I mean this guy dismembered her if he wanted that tattoo gone he would of found a way. Makes me wonder if she was dead or alive for the mutilation. The way he referred to MB as a whore makes me feel like he didn't exactly like their line of work and would consider a prostitute the farthest thing from an angel.
    Or maybe he was just having "fun". I was watching a documentary the other night about a SK who sometimes would cut the nipples off of his victims and when asked why his response was just cause he felt like it at the moment. No real reason. And from what I can see this SK likes to experiment and has evolved.

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    gia, interestingly enough..the fake facebook profiles all said "we are angels"

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    I thought it was reported that she was alive when dismembered.
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    That would be crazy native I did read she was stabbed which is not really the SK's MO although she's a very early victim. The Cleveland torso Killer killed by decapitation and there are alot of similarites with LISK case. He used burlap bags to deposit parts of victims and nearly all of his victims are unidentified.

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    Why do you guys think the SK doesnt dismember the male victims? There are quite alot of male victims dumped by the LISK that go unattributed to him. Do we think the killer is bisexual? None of the males have ever been identified even the young estimated to be 18 year old brentwood victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LINative13 View Post
    I thought it was reported that she was alive when dismembered.
    Was it? I wasn't here for the earlier discussions on JT so I missed. I haven't been able to find any news reports or anything saying she was. Maybe I'm just a horibble sleuth...lol
    Either way Im betting she was alive. For some reason I could just picture this guy doing some sadistic stuff to his victims well they where still alive.

    I'm obviously no expert but I tend to base a lot off the phone calls the SK made to MB's sister and pimp. I can't help but wonder if MB was alive for the phone calls. Maybe even being tourchered and taunted that he was calling her little sister. Maybe even saying I'm gonna kill your sister also. I do believe MB was held at least for a couple days. Same goes for JT. I know that with forensics they would be able to tell if she was alive or dead for the mutilation. I just don't know if this was something they would release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindsayLohan6 View Post
    gia, interestingly enough..the fake facebook profiles all said "we are angels"
    I'm still not sure what to make of the Facebook profiles. Like I said in another post I tend to go off those phone calls. To me it gives us the biggest clue into this guys personality. He referred to MB as a whore. He said he was going to watch her rott. It doesn't sound like something that a guy who would referre to these girls as angels would say. Seems to me this guy had hate for these women.

    On the other hand I have heard before that some think that the AC4 were maybe killed by someone who was Muslim being they were all placed with their heads to the west or east? (can't remember exactly) At the same time it could of just been the water flow that turned their heads that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindsayLohan6 View Post
    Why do you guys think the SK doesnt dismember the male victims? There are quite alot of male victims dumped by the LISK that go unattributed to him. Do we think the killer is bisexual? None of the males have ever been identified even the young estimated to be 18 year old brentwood victim.
    I think that if the SK is killing the males as well its just to get rid of them because he doesn't like them. Kinda like weeding em out. I think the SK is a sexual sadist and gets off more by putting his female victims threw hell and back before killing them.

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