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  1. #61
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    Have investigators been able to obtain a DNA profile from the remains? Mitochondrial DNA from the bone marrow can be compared to that of Mo Zhang's mother in order to determine whether or not it was her son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSMD View Post
    Have investigators been able to obtain a DNA profile from the remains? Mitochondrial DNA from the bone marrow can be compared to that of Mo Zhang's mother in order to determine whether or not it was her son.
    I had been wondering about DNA collection as well. Both mtDNA and Y-DNA. If Zhang's mother was not available, his Y-DNA would also would be a tremendous help for a paternal match to his father, or paternal uncle or male cousins. In fact, without his father, his Y-DNA would pinpoint and reveal his surname matches if submitted to a commercial site, like FTDNA. I had the BIGY test done and it indeed revealed close Y-DNA matches with other males with my surname.
    Last edited by Kodiak; 12-05-2016 at 03:25 PM.

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    Do you think there is a possibility maybe Mo Zhangs family may have come across the episode from the documentary yet or would we have still have to post his face around more? Did they ever recover any DNA from the body discovered?

    Im new to finding out about the cases, please be gentle if any of what I've asked has been answered.

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    Correct me if I am wrong, but can't they do a test to see from isotopes where he was and if he was born here?

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    Tyrell Santiago is missing. Someone is using his name and SS#. Shouldnt LE track this person down and do a visual to see if its Tyrell or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    This guy's facial features align perfectly to the facial reconstruction:

    Mo Zhang
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/z/zhang_mo.html



    I have sized the above images so that they are comparable. If you click your mouse on Mo's photo and drag it to the right over the reconstruction, Mo's photo becomes transparent, and you can test the similarity of their facial shapes and spacing of their facial features.

    ETA: I just realized that this trick only works if you are using the Mozilla Firefox browser.
    Idontseeit,theeyeandnoseshapeistotallydifferent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodiak View Post
    Been following the LISK case the last several years. Never posted until now. I agree that Mescalito Joselito Echavez should be submitted, if he hasn't been already. I discovered this photo of him online and he resembles the sketch of the Asian man a lot.

    Thisoneisverysimilar.Not.sureifhewouldfoolanyonedr essedasawomanthough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I maintain a searchable spreadsheet listing over 16,000 missing persons from the four most used missing persons sites (Charley Project, NamUs, DoeNetwork, and NAMPN).

    I set the parameters for the particulars provided for "Asian Male"
    * Male
    * Age 17-23
    * Asian
    * Missing between 1-Jan-2000 and 31-Jan-2006)

    I further filtered it for persons missing in the Northeastern states and Eastern Provinces of Canada. There is no reason why "Asian Male" might not be from another region, but I prefer to focus on the northeastern states and provinces. My initial screen doesn't filter for height, as height estimates are notoriously unreliable, but I will still consider the height after evaluating the resulting list.

    This yielded only six names.



    * Brian Lee (23) from Queens NY - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lee_brian.html
    * Siphet Chao (19) from Portland ME - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/chau_siphat.html
    * Neil Louis Boware (21) from Akron OH http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/boware_neal.html
    * Mo Zheng (17) of Yorktown Virginia http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/z/zhang_mo.html
    * Kevin Lim (18) of Scarborough Ontario (Canada) http://www.nampn.org/cases/lim_kevin.html
    * Jackie Li (18) of Scarborough Ontario (Canada) http://www.nampn.org/cases/li_jackie.html

    We can probably eliminate Brian Lee due to his height (6 feet 2 inches), and his facial shape is not particularly close to the reconstruction.
    Siphet Chao's facial structure is also inconsistent to the reconstruction.
    Neil Boware was part African American in addition to his Asian ancestry. That probably would have been noted by the Anthropologist. Also, the circumstances of disappearance appear to suggest a suicide. He was last seen atop a bridge in Ohio.

    Kevin Lim and Jackie Li look like interesting possibilities. They went missing with Li's girlfriend and are persons of interest in the death of a friend of theirs. Jackie would probably be too tall at 5 feet 10. Kevin's height (5 feet 8 inches) is closer to the John Doe's height of 5 feet 6. If they were evading the law, they might have a reason to dress in women's clothing. However, Canadian Law Enforcement believes that these two young men and their female friend are in Hong Kong. Nothing here to rule them out, but they aren't particularly compelling as possibly being this John Doe.

    The one person on this list that I do find compelling is Mo Zheng. Here he is side-by-side with the facial reconstruction of the "Asian Male" John Doe.



    We have no information to suggest that he had a missing front tooth, or a musculoskeletal disorder that may have affected his gait (as AMJD did). We also don't have any suggestion that he was a cross-dresser. Mo's dental and medical records aren't available to know one way or the other. Nor is there any available information pertaining to his lifestyle. The fact that something isn't mentioned should not lead one to presume that those characteristics don't exist with this person.

    As for the information that is available on Mo Zheng, it matches up very nicely with the particulars of AMJD.
    * His height 5'5" is within an inch of AMJD's estimated height.
    * His age 17 is within AMJD's 17-23 age estimate.
    * His date of last contact (09-Aug-2006) is consistent to AMJD's estimated date of death (i.e., 5-10 years prior to the 2011 discovery)
    * His circumstances of disappearance aren't clear. However, his disappearance was thought to be voluntary with no suggestion of foul play at the location of his last contact (Yorktown Virginia).

    And what is very interesting is the consistency of his facial structure to the artist's estimation of what AMJD might have looked like based on the shape of his skull.

    I've done animated GIF image clips in a couple of other cases to show how a person's face aligns up to a facial reconstruction.

    I thought that this technique would be appropriate in this case to show how closely Mo Zheng's facial structure aligns to the facial reconstruction sketch for Asian Male.



    The few minor differences in the eyes and breadth of the nose are well within the tolerances for this type of facial reconstruction based on purely skeletal remains.

    I called to the LISK taskforce hotline back in 2011 to suggest that they look at Mo Zheng. However, I have no way to know if they ever looked into the tip. The task force doesn't publicize rule-outs.

    According to NamUs, there are no identifiers of any kind (DNA, fingerprints, or dental records) on record for Mo Zheng. If that is true, so there would be no way that they could verify this tip even if they wanted to. Based on the lack of identifiers, I would have to presume that this is still an open issue as to whether Mo Zheng is AMJD.
    Hewasfound IN female clothes, I really doubt those men were crossdressers, I SUGgest you look for more femenine looking asian men.

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    Shenchiu "Andy" Tsou

    Shenchiu "Andy" Tsou

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    Tsou was last seen in June 2005 in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, on a business trip. Nova Scotia isn't that far from Long Island. He made a reservation for a room at the Halifax Casino Hotel and never arrived. In a now defunct web article summary from 2005, it states his wife flew to meet him at the Halifax airport on June 28, but he never showed up.

    His height is 68", just two inches more than the estimated 66" of Asian Male.

    Doe Network

    Andy Tsou's disappearance still baffles police a decade later
    Richmond man disappeared 10 years ago in Halifax

    Rewards for Major Unsolved Crimes
    Shen Chiu "Andy" TSOU


    NovaNewsNet Digest for September 27, 2005

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetThemEatCake View Post
    Hewasfound IN female clothes, I really doubt those men were crossdressers, I SUGgest you look for more femenine looking asian men.
    The sketch of Asian Male is of a man who wouldn't seem remotely believable dressed up as a female. I'm starting to think that Asian Male wasn't a crossdresser or a possible transgender sex worker, but more of a masculine gay/bisexual escort. It could be that LISK is also bisexual–possibly something he has been dealing with for a long time, perhaps he feels shame because of it. The hiring of Asian Male and his services would have been a short term outlet, and because of his guilt for being that way, LISK's anger from that was projected onto Asian Male, resulting in his traumatic death. I'm also starting to believe that LISK had the intention of putting women's clothing on him before or after his death, to purposely mock him, degrade him, and humiliate him publicly in death.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodiak View Post
    The sketch of Asian Male is of a man who wouldn't seem remotely believable dressed up as a female.
    how do you know that? If he was in female clothes then he most definitely was a transgender prostitute. I keep seeing pictures of manly men, I highly doubt that was the case. Furthermore I don't think any of the other deaths are connected to LISK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodiak View Post
    Shenchiu "Andy" Tsou



    Tsou was last seen in June 2005 in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, on a business trip. Nova Scotia isn't that far from Long Island. He made a reservation for a room at the Halifax Casino Hotel and never arrived. In a now defunct web article summary from 2005, it states his wife flew to meet him at the Halifax airport on June 28, but he never showed up.

    His height is 68", just two inches more than the estimated 66" of Asian Male.

    Doe Network

    Andy Tsou's disappearance still baffles police a decade later
    Richmond man disappeared 10 years ago in Halifax

    Rewards for Major Unsolved Crimes
    Shen Chiu "Andy" TSOU


    NovaNewsNet Digest for September 27, 2005
    Idontseeanyresemblance,i'mjustshockedhowanaverageb usinesspersoncouldjustgomissing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetThemEatCake View Post
    If he was in female clothes then he most definitely was a transgender prostitute.
    And... how do you know that definitely? And for sure?

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    Are we sure that "lisk" didn't dress him?
    maybe John Doe saw something/came across "lisk"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LizabethPanda View Post
    Are we sure that "lisk" didn't dress him?
    maybe John Doe saw something/came across "lisk"?
    That's a very good point! Asian male could have been a driver for an escort and killed and dressed in woman's clothing.

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