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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by bearschick View Post
    The Long Island Press had this little one on their Facebook page. I wonder if this might be her? Earrings, appears to be non-Caucasian and missing with her mother.

    http://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/mi...ssing-child/90

    Though DOB is 1991. That to me rules her out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    The police have stated that the child was not caucasian. I think we can rule out the following groups:

    Italians: Though they tend to give jewelery as presents to infant girls, Italians are caucasians

    Roma / Gypsies: In addition to the very different rules for Gypsy men and women that Claireshore mentioned, nearly all Romas would probably register as caucasians skeletal wise. Their origin was in north India and most north Indians are either caucasians (abiet with darker complections) or are heavily mixed with caucasians.

    Middle Easterners: These groups are caucasian in the anthropological sense.

    That leaves asians, hispanics and blacks. Technically "Hipsanic" is not a race, but a culture. In every day usage, however, it is assosciated closely with certain physical features. A large number of hispanics would either register as caucasian or amerindian skeletal wise. The police have stated that the remains are not caucasian. If the child was hispanic, this would indicate either amerindian or afro hispanic skeletal features.

    Most Hispanics in New York are from the carribean. These islands have very little amerindian influences today. Rather, the features of the non caucasian hispanics from these regions are ususally derived from african influences. Thus, I believe that the victim is most likely:

    A. Black american (or english speaking carribean black) or
    B. Afro Hispanic (Puerto Rican, Dominican, Panamanian, Cuban)

    That leaves the matter of the jewelery. Jewelery gifts to infants does not seem that common amongst black americans though it is not unheard of. I dont know about anglo carribean blacks (Jamaicans, Trinidadians etc). Infants with pierced ears and jewerly is common amongst Mexican hispanics. I imagine that it would be common amongst carribean hispanics as well. This could allow the list to be narrowed:

    - Cubans: Most, but not all, cubans are caucasians.

    -Dominicans or Puerto Ricans: Afro Carribean features are very common in the Domincian Republic, and what- fairly common in Puerto Rico? Puerto Ricans, however, are US citizens so I think it is less likely that an infant and mother would not be reported as missing following the discovery of the remains. That leaves illegal immigrants from the Dominican Republic.

    As for asians, they can be distinguished skeletal wise from caucausians, and africans. As the police did not identify the remains as "asian", I think afro carribean is more likely. Hispanic afro carribean in particular.
    Ah I just realized something! I bet they are from the shinnecock reservation

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindsayLohan6 View Post
    Ah I just realized something! I bet they are from the shinnecock reservation
    Possibly, but they appear to be a small tribe membership wise. This would make a missing mother and child more noticable. Also, there is the possibility that some of the tribal members are of mixed background (primarily with caucasians). This would lessen the ability to declare that the skeletal remains were "non caucasian". Thus, if the victims are from that tribe, they could represent an even smaller group: Tribal members from a small tribe who are either full blood or nearly full blood amerinidan and who have not been reported as missing.

    I still favor the immigrant afro Carribean or Haitian possibility.

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    Youtube Dark Minds Long Island Serial Killer. Also google sixty minutes australia long island ripper.

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    why dee I've seen the dark minds...what info are you implying?

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    Tiffany Susan Westford went missing with her mother in 1993 from Amityville, New York. Her earring seems to match the pictures of the jewellery pictured.

    http://www.forthelost.org/family/twestford.html

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    Very interesting. I wonder if the remains are older than they claim. but why do you say the earrings match the jewelry?

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    Just by looking at the earrings the little girl was found with they seem to visually match the earrings that Tiffany is wearing in the picture. Same basic shape, colour and style.

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    Idk do they really look similar?

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    Google Charley Project Jessica Vargas. Theres an interesting story. Could the toddler be Jessica. On pg1 of this thread it says the toddler is dead 4 to 5 years. The ME report says 1 yr. Jessica is in NAMUS but her DNA is not. Read the story on mother and daughter.
    Last edited by deedee21; 06-06-2016 at 11:30 PM.


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    I was thinking that maybe it wasn't the mom and the baby who are of the religion that buries its dead with jewelry, but it's probably the killer. I have always felt that he was probably in a relationship with the mom and either was the father of the baby or considered her his daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copperterra View Post
    I was thinking that maybe it wasn't the mom and the baby who are of the religion that buries its dead with jewelry, but it's probably the killer. I have always felt that he was probably in a relationship with the mom and either was the father of the baby or considered her his daughter.
    I, too, have come to same possible theory that the killer just might be the father of the child. In fact, I came here to post this theory and I see copperterra offers the same possibility. It was either the case that the child's mother brought her along for for a first time "service meet" or one of several with the mother and killer. Perhaps the last meet was to drop the bomb to the killer–that the child was his. And if the killer already has a family of his own, that would be an instant threat and a motive to get rid of the mother and child.

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    Also, on the child's NAMUS case profile, it lists the sex as "unsure." With the current advancements in DNA, I don't understand why the sex can't be determined. If the child was male, then there would be Y-DNA. If not, then it would be female. I also don't understand why the DNA can't pinpoint the top/main ethnicity of the child. Is LE DNA testing different or limited compared to public commercial testing like 23andMe, FTDNA, etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcoope23 View Post
    Tiffany Susan Westford went missing with her mother in 1993 from Amityville, New York. Her earring seems to match the pictures of the jewellery pictured.

    http://www.forthelost.org/family/twestford.html
    These mps and Carl's suggestion look very interesting, wonder if the have been compared yet?
    Tiffany Westford, Marie Dominique

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?283333-The-Toddler&p=11892287#post11892287
    AMANDA AMGAD SALIB GARAS (Child) and SUZAN BOULES BESCKALES GERGES (Mother)


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    I haven't submitted Tiffany and Marie yet.

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