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  1. #16
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    Do you all think it's possible that a second burial site exisits?
    I'm mostly just a lurker here but after watching the Dateline special I can't stop thinking about the women who are still missing and the possibility of a second burial site. The satellite images of the evolving burials were compelling. I wondered if it would be possible to look for a similar pattern elsewhere within the relevant time frame? I did a little digging and found a Vice article about the case with someone talking about this idea in the comments. I don't know how feasible it actually is but it seemed like food for thought.

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    http://www.vice.com/read/who-is-the-...-0000439-v21n9

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    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dateline/51090503#44380846

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    Hi!

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    I’d like to revisit this thread.

    the seeker, you did an amazing job finding new potential victims; did you happen to find anything in the media discussing an uptick in missing sex workers in the area(s), or anything about specific missing sex worker(s)? Any women found that might meet the West Mesa victimology? I looked at news sources and couldn’t find anything specific; I did find an instance of two women who were found near one another, but this seems to be an odd coincidence, as they don’t have anything in common with the WM victims. They were also found in the mountains. Do we have additional details (such as NamUs IDs) that we can look at to see if we can help search for identities? A description of a missing woman and a story about a family looking for a missing sister/daughter/niece with a similar description in NamUs could lead to the possibility of a match if we send them our information.

    Vegasdee, I know you were working hard on a map of the more recent missing; I think you may have ended up listing every city in NM, but were you able to find any patterns?

    I do think there is the possibility of a second site, but where? Let’s see if we can find any patterns that might lead us to some site ideas. Maybe articles about construction sites being vandalized, people in cars or trucks found in isolated areas or trespassing?

    The site will in all likelihood be smaller than the original WM site, as the killer may have realized that too many victims buried in one place leads to a higher probability of someone being found.

    As always, thank you for your help. We couldn’t do this without you.

    Rachel and Josh

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    Hi! I have spoken with someone back home in ABQ, and this person works with sex workers. We were talking and I ran a couple of ideas past this person anyway, we both think there is s second burial site. Probably somewhere on the "north mesa" heading towards Rio Rancho. I believe there you will find the last 6 girls who were sex workers and vanished from Albuquerque.
    Ana Vigil lka 1/20/05
    Felipa Gonzales lka 4/27/05
    -arrested 4/30/2005
    -in custody 5/1/2005
    Nina Herron lka 5/24/2005
    Shawntel Waites lka 3/15/2006
    Leah Peebles lka 5/22/2006
    -featured on disappeared episode
    -cell phone records available
    Vanessa Reid Lujan lka 6/13/2006
    -sister, Amy, lived same lifestyle
    -both knew Fred Reynolds well, Amy believes there is know way possible he was west Mesa killer

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    This person I spoke with back home had done extensive research into this case. This person believes that you can find the other burial site by determining and testing soil. The killer buried these poor girls in an arroyo wash. Arroyo's would run during mansoon season in NM but not every rain. In order for the arroyos to run it would have had to have been a particularly hard rain. The soil in the arroyo washes was so soft and smooth, think sand on a beach, but the desert surrounding the arroyo the soil would be hard and difficult to dig. I grew up near an arroyo and as kids we would play in the area where the beach sand was cause it was easy to dig, play with, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasdee View Post
    Hi! I have spoken with someone back home in ABQ, and this person works with sex workers. We were talking and I ran a couple of ideas past this person anyway, we both think there is s second burial site. Probably somewhere on the "north mesa" heading towards Rio Rancho. I believe there you will find the last 6 girls who were sex workers and vanished from Albuquerque.
    Ana Vigil lka 1/20/05
    Felipa Gonzales lka 4/27/05
    -arrested 4/30/2005
    -in custody 5/1/2005
    Nina Herron lka 5/24/2005
    Shawntel Waites lka 3/15/2006
    Leah Peebles lka 5/22/2006
    -featured on disappeared episode
    -cell phone records available
    Vanessa Reid Lujan lka 6/13/2006
    -sister, Amy, lived same lifestyle
    -both knew Fred Reynolds well, Amy believes there is know way possible he was west Mesa killer
    I wonder(think) NINA HERRON is the one that creepy caller was talking about when he called that p.i. that went viral
    --found an old list I had saved prior with those above girls on it as well as others and some run away teens--havent really looked into any to check for updates, but figured I'd repost them here:

    --Betty Vigil Garcia missing 1998
    --Jeanette Maria De La Cruz missing 1999
    --Christine Julian missing 2003
    --Brenda Jeen Apalicio missing 2003

    THESE WERE TEENS CLASSIFIED AS ENDANGERED RUNAWAYS ARE ALSO MISSING FROM ALBUQUERQUE
    Brittney Ann Jaramillo missing 2007
    Danisha Renee Klug missing 2008
    Johana Elvira Martinez missing 2008
    Ashley Nichole Lopez missing 2008
    Xylonia Begay missing Feb. 2009
    Amber Adelia Bittinger missing March 2009

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danse_Macabre View Post
    I’d like to revisit this thread.

    the seeker, you did an amazing job finding new potential victims; did you happen to find anything in the media discussing an uptick in missing sex workers in the area(s), or anything about specific missing sex worker(s)? Any women found that might meet the West Mesa victimology? I looked at news sources and couldn’t find anything specific; I did find an instance of two women who were found near one another, but this seems to be an odd coincidence, as they don’t have anything in common with the WM victims. They were also found in the mountains. Do we have additional details (such as NamUs IDs) that we can look at to see if we can help search for identities? A description of a missing woman and a story about a family looking for a missing sister/daughter/niece with a similar description in NamUs could lead to the possibility of a match if we send them our information.

    Vegasdee, I know you were working hard on a map of the more recent missing; I think you may have ended up listing every city in NM, but were you able to find any patterns?

    I do think there is the possibility of a second site, but where? Let’s see if we can find any patterns that might lead us to some site ideas. Maybe articles about construction sites being vandalized, people in cars or trucks found in isolated areas or trespassing?

    The site will in all likelihood be smaller than the original WM site, as the killer may have realized that too many victims buried in one place leads to a higher probability of someone being found.

    As always, thank you for your help. We couldn’t do this without you.

    Rachel and Josh
    Thanks. I will dig for the above information you requested. I will also spend some time on Namus and the DoeNetwork and see what I can find.


    RIP McStays

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danse_Macabre View Post
    I’d like to revisit this thread.

    the seeker, you did an amazing job finding new potential victims; did you happen to find anything in the media discussing an uptick in missing sex workers in the area(s), or anything about specific missing sex worker(s)? Any women found that might meet the West Mesa victimology? I looked at news sources and couldn’t find anything specific; I did find an instance of two women who were found near one another, but this seems to be an odd coincidence, as they don’t have anything in common with the WM victims. They were also found in the mountains. Do we have additional details (such as NamUs IDs) that we can look at to see if we can help search for identities? A description of a missing woman and a story about a family looking for a missing sister/daughter/niece with a similar description in NamUs could lead to the possibility of a match if we send them our information.

    Vegasdee, I know you were working hard on a map of the more recent missing; I think you may have ended up listing every city in NM, but were you able to find any patterns?

    I do think there is the possibility of a second site, but where? Let’s see if we can find any patterns that might lead us to some site ideas. Maybe articles about construction sites being vandalized, people in cars or trucks found in isolated areas or trespassing?

    The site will in all likelihood be smaller than the original WM site, as the killer may have realized that too many victims buried in one place leads to a higher probability of someone being found.

    As always, thank you for your help. We couldn’t do this without you.

    Rachel and Josh
    I totally agree about the perp using a smaller site. He may be strewing them out somehow now, or when he was active...not sure if he is active now, but if he is alive, the chances are that he is active or will be again at some point. We all know they are not likely to stop completely. He may have moved onto Lakes etc...I know nothing about lakes in NM....I guess its time to check that out as well.


    RIP McStays

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    I will be combing youtube too for whatever I can find....


    RIP McStays


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    Quote Originally Posted by CriminalMinds View Post
    I wonder(think) NINA HERRON is the one that creepy caller was talking about when he called that p.i. that went viral
    --found an old list I had saved prior with those above girls on it as well as others and some run away teens--havent really looked into any to check for updates, but figured I'd repost them here:

    --Betty Vigil Garcia missing 1998
    --Jeanette Maria De La Cruz missing 1999
    --Christine Julian missing 2003
    --Brenda Jeen Apalicio missing 2003

    THESE WERE TEENS CLASSIFIED AS ENDANGERED RUNAWAYS ARE ALSO MISSING FROM ALBUQUERQUE
    Brittney Ann Jaramillo missing 2007
    Danisha Renee Klug missing 2008
    Johana Elvira Martinez missing 2008
    Ashley Nichole Lopez missing 2008
    Xylonia Begay missing Feb. 2009
    Amber Adelia Bittinger missing March 2009
    Yes, I just found Jeanette Maria De La Cruz on DN. She fits. Hispanic, short (5'1) and 19 years old and living in Albuquerque. Don't know if she was a known sex worker as of yet. Last seen in the area of her residence which was near the 11800 block of Montgomery NE in Albuquerque.


    RIP McStays

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    Girly Chew Hossncroft

    Girly Chew was not a WM victim, I don't think, as suspects for her murder where arrested and are doing time. Her husband was involved. However, her body was never found. It was the first murder conviction in Albuquerque to happen without a body.


    RIP McStays

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriminalMinds View Post
    I wonder(think) NINA HERRON is the one that creepy caller was talking about when he called that p.i. that went viral
    --found an old list I had saved prior with those above girls on it as well as others and some run away teens--havent really looked into any to check for updates, but figured I'd repost them here:

    --Betty Vigil Garcia missing 1998
    --Jeanette Maria De La Cruz missing 1999
    --Christine Julian missing 2003
    --Brenda Jeen Apalicio missing 2003

    THESE WERE TEENS CLASSIFIED AS ENDANGERED RUNAWAYS ARE ALSO MISSING FROM ALBUQUERQUE
    Brittney Ann Jaramillo missing 2007
    Danisha Renee Klug missing 2008
    Johana Elvira Martinez missing 2008
    Ashley Nichole Lopez missing 2008
    Xylonia Begay missing Feb. 2009
    Amber Adelia Bittinger missing March 2009
    The four adults are still missing.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/garcia_betty.html

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._jeanette.html

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...christine.html

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...io_brenda.html

    Of the teens, the three names I bolded are no longer missing. The other three don't show up in any of the missing databases, so they probably were located, as well.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

    http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/New-....56163383.html

    http://countyjail.com/criminal-recor...inger-10221210
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    Im working on a whole list of people. Im a little sickened, there are a rash of newly missing 2014-2015 that fit...short in stature, Hispanic, the only thing I haven't found out yet is if they were sex workers. I will find that out. They are missing from Albuquerque. Is he back?


    RIP McStays

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    I want to compile a list here, if that's ok, for easy access reading here. My plan is to list them by ages since there seem to be relatively two groups...one being teenage and early 20s and the other being in mid to late 30s and even 40s. I also want to list the more recent ones together.


    RIP McStays

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