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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    That assault victim was lucky she got away. He only had $2 dollars in his wallet meaning he never intended to pay her and was going to kill her.

    Thank you for digging up these articles. It gives us a snapshot of what most likely happened to the other victims.
    SuziQ I read the articles again, I was under the impression that this assault victim S. Hill was strangled to death in his trailer. When he was taking her out to put her in a neighbors vehicle he was (He=L. Montoya) was seen by her BF and her BF then shot and killed L. Montoya. Did I miss a victim? TIA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    SuziQ I read the articles again, I was under the impression that this assault victim S. Hill was strangled to death in his trailer. When he was taking her out to put her in a neighbors vehicle he was (He=L. Montoya) was seen by her BF and her BF then shot and killed L. Montoya. Did I miss a victim? TIA
    Here is the info on the one who got away.

    http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=8&gl=us

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    That was in 1999. According to a criminal complaint, Montoya picked up the woman near Sun Port Boulevard.
    She later told police that he forced her to perform oral sex, then slammed her against a seat and began choking her. A police car pulled up alongside, and the officer found Montoya wearing a condom and trying to pull off the woman's underwear, the complaint states.
    No money changed hands, and Montoya's wallet was found to contain only $2. He was charged with criminal sexual penetration, attempted criminal sexual penetration and kidnapping, but later that year, the charges were dropped.

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    While I could be completely wrong, I am somewhat skeptical that Montoya was the killer. From the articles posted, it appears that he lived in the NE heights and only lived on the mesa from January of 2005, at the earliest, until his death in December 2006. His 2005 NE heights residence places him just a bit east of the red light district (which, iirc, is the east central area between Louisana and Wyoming Blvds). The alleged pimp otoh, specifically his website, is interesting. Esp considering that, the missing, possibly deceased, may have met their killer online. Am trying to track that bit down right now.



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    Another article about Lorenzo Montoya.

    http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S829737.shtml

    Co-workers suspect man in Mesa body mystery

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    TY Ruflossn.

    Montoya has been forefront in my mind since reading about him in the beginning.

    His ex-co-workers had some very interesting details to share about him. Of course, it's heresay but it's very interesting heresay.
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    Woman Hater, Pimp or LE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    TY Ruflossn.

    Montoya has been forefront in my mind since reading about him in the beginning.

    His ex-co-workers had some very interesting details to share about him. Of course, it's heresay but it's very interesting heresay.
    I agree Kat. Don't forget about the Pimp that passed away too. Also, as I have been researching this case, I have seen many allude to the fact that it could be a cop as well.

    In my opinion all three scenarios could fit (they could also be picked apart).

    1) Lorenzo Montoya - Per witness accounts (hearsay) hates women. Obvious history of violence towards prostitutes. Lives 1 1/2 miles (I think that's what I read) from burial site. Decrease in disappearence of prostitutes since his death.

    2) Fred Reynolds (Pimp) - Possible access to all missing women due to lifestyle. Photos of some of the missing found in his home after his death.

    3) LE - All of the identified women have arrest records. Many of the remaining missing do as well, which obviously means they have crossed paths with LE on at least one occasion, if not many. It would also be very convienient to point a finger at two dead men and say "case closed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    TY Ruflossn.

    Montoya has been forefront in my mind since reading about him in the beginning.

    His ex-co-workers had some very interesting details to share about him. Of course, it's heresay but it's very interesting heresay.
    I thought the same thing about the co-workers.
    They all seemed to have the same opinion.
    I wonder if there is DNA available from Montoya that could be compared to DNA that might have been found on the victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruflossn View Post
    I thought the same thing about the co-workers.
    They all seemed to have the same opinion.
    I wonder if there is DNA available from Montoya that could be compared to DNA that might have been found on the victims.
    I don't think there will be any DNA due to the amount of time the bodies have been there. It sounds like it is just bones and much of them have been scattered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ella's mom View Post
    I don't think there will be any DNA due to the amount of time the bodies have been there. It sounds like it is just bones and much of them have been scattered.
    Yes, that is probably correct. In fact, I think that has been discussed b4. I just keep hoping that maybe forensics will find something under the nailbeds or on the clothing.......... but, time and the elements will prove to be a hindrance.


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    Hello everyone! I'm new here and wanted to say hi since I have spent the greater part of the last 5 days reading this forum.

    Does anyone remember the name of the guy who was the first suspect in the West Mesa murders? I don't know how accurate the story was, but it was (I believe) a Hispanic man who lived near the edge of the desert where the bodies were buried. He had murdered a woman in his home and while he was in the process of carrying her out to his car to take her away, her boyfriend came up and saw this and killed the man. I know I'm not imagining this story!
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    Quote Originally Posted by norest4thewicked View Post
    Hello everyone! I'm new here and wanted to say hi since I have spent the greater part of the last 5 days reading this forum.

    Does anyone remember the name of the guy who was the first suspect in the West Mesa murders? I don't know how accurate the story was, but it was (I believe) a Hispanic man who lived near the edge of the desert where the bodies were buried. He had murdered a woman in his home and while he was in the process of carrying her out to his car to take her away, her boyfriend came up and saw this and killed the man. I know I'm not imagining this story!
    via Wikipedia:

    Two men who initially attracted police attention in connection with the murders were Fred Reynolds and Lorenzo Montoya. Reynolds was a pimp who knew one of the missing women and reportedly had photos of missing prostitutes; he died a natural death in January 2009. Lorenzo Montoya lived less than two miles from the burial site; in 2006 there were reportedly tire tracks leading from his trailer to the site. In December 2006, Montoya strangled a teenage prostitute at his trailer; he was shot to death by the prostitute's boyfriend.

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    Lorenzo Montoya was most likely the West Mesa Killer but, since he is dead, the issue will probably never be settled. In January 2006, he was killed by the "boyfriend" of a young prostitute he had just murdered in his mobile home on a remote piece of land not that far from the West Mesa site where the bodies were found. Apparently there was some sort of a dirt track that one could use to get from his mobile home to the West Mesa site.

    This happened in 2006. The West Mesa site had not been discovered and no one in Albuquerque Law Enforcement had really picked up on the fact that prostitutes were missing and a Serial killer might be operating until 2009 when the West Mesa site was discovered. All of the girls went missing in 2005 or earlier.

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    Lorenzo Montoya was most likely the West Mesa Killer but, since he is dead, the issue will probably never be settled. In January 2006, he was killed by the "boyfriend" of a young prostitute he had just murdered in his mobile home on a remote piece of land not that far from the West Mesa site where the bodies were found. Apparently there was some sort of a dirt track that one could use to get from his mobile home to the West Mesa site.

    This happened in 2006. The West Mesa site had not been discovered and no one in Albuquerque Law Enforcement had really picked up on the fact that prostitutes were missing and a Serial killer might be operating until 2009 when the West Mesa site was discovered. All of the girls went missing in 2005 or earlier.
    I think most of us in the Albuquerque area think this too. He was caught in the act murdering a prostitute, even his co-workers thought he was the one. His mobile home was very near the area where the bodies were found with dirt tracks going to the burial scene. And no more murders after he himself was murdered. It all makes sense. I guess they can't officially tie him for some reason. Here is an interesting link:

    http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/n...t-mesa-murders
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    I do believe this is drug cartel at work and quite possible Montoya was involved in that also. Perhaps since his death, the others involved knew it was a matter of time before they connected Montoya and the mass grave would be discovered. Maybe this is why the killings in the area seemed to stop. There are many suspects still out there, IMO, and probably carrying out similar acts elsewhere, unfortunately.


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    on the Montoya thing too, it was often misreported that there were "tracks" from his trailer to the dumpsite--I recall only 1 or 2 articles correctly indicating they were actually "dirt trails"--was that done on purpose, so that it seemed like they were focusing mostly on him (and his partner) and that Joplin photog RE so as to keep Blea off guard while they worked up a stronger case?

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