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    Ok, They have DNA from Karrakatta. Maybe he didn`t care cause of a little while after this case and after the main 3 he quit his employment & nicked off overseas cause he saw DNA testing was coming. Maybe he could not risk being still in this town. Is he responsible for the skirt ripping/taking & head bashing in the lane behind Hungry Jacks? This shows the not so nice guy she was chatting up at the pub but a violent offender for sure.The attack at Coles Loading dock? The fleeing of a taxi with the woman getting a broken ankle? The Davies Road attack & lo & behold the Now linked Karrakatta case? All a bit close to Claremont IMHO. His home base for a spell?

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    I refer here to the coroner's report on Sarah McMahon's disappearance and suspected death, as posted by someone earlier in the thread (forgive me for forgetting who shared the link).

    The coroner's report implicates Morey in Sarah's murder. He was her last known contact (he called her mobile) on the evening that she disappeared. He stated that she had left the country and was still in contact with him via phone and text after she disappeared, but he could not provide any evidence to corroborate that story. Police also found no evidence of phone records indicating he had contact with her after she disappeared.

    Sarah McMahon does not fit with a CSK kill. Firstly, he seems to have a "type" that he preferred as all of the known CSK victims had a similar appearance. Sarah McMahon looked very different to Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon. Additionally, Morey's purported killing of Sarah does not appear to have the level of organisation of a CSK kill and 2 other people (Allen and his wife) are alleged to have some involvement in the concealment of the crime.

    The CSK is meticulously organised. His crimes had no known witnesses. He was careful, precise. He enjoys killing. The cemetery rape was committed by one individual and there is a forensic link to Ciara Glennon's murder. Sarah McMahon's murder could not be more different from the known CSK crimes. I don't think that the CSK would risk getting caught or want his crimes to be witnessed. The CSK likes his privacy. I don't believe that Sarah McMahon's murder was a CSK kill, and I don't believe that Morey is/was the Claremont Serial Killer. I think that the Claremont Serial Killer is unknown to the police at this stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus View Post
    Judoman, Weygers, Dixie.

    All would have provided DNA and seemingly all are ruled out.
    So when was Judoman officially made a suspect?

    We know from the CIA episode that he is, they mention he is a 'martial arts expert from a wealthy English (Or do they say 'British') Family' But when have the Police ever bothered to make it public?

    We know Steve Ross was on the radar early on, and then Weygers, and ofcourse Lance Williams... They were official!

    Then we had Dixie, positively ruled out.

    They had a last ditch effort to get Weygers using a psychics word before disbanding their efforts against him and basically ruling him out, Steve Ross hasnt seemed on the radar since. This was around the time of Moreys arrest so they obviously wanted one last attempt to see what their man had before they turned their focus from Weygers and Ross to Judoman and Possibly Morey.

    They gave up on Lance a while back, I think it was 2007? around the time of the CIA episode production, so they knew then their focus had shifted entirely.

    The Police as far as I am aware have not official announced Judoman or the Sexual Predator/Con Bayens possible POI so this is something the documenatry crew unofficially revealed possibly to scare the two POI's

    Does anyone have anything substantial for Judoman so we can see how he measures up to Morey?

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    I believe Judoman appeared on the radar in the lead up to the CIA episode as that episode was built around him. So maybe 2007/2008-ish at a guess. They would have likely obtained his DNA.


    If they have DNA from the Karrakatta rape then god-damn send it off so a facial profile can be developed. My gut feeling is this is nothing but a police strategy to try and lure the CSK out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drpath View Post
    I refer here to the coroner's report on Sarah McMahon's disappearance and suspected death, as posted by someone earlier in the thread (forgive me for forgetting who shared the link).

    The coroner's report implicates Morey in Sarah's murder. He was her last known contact (he called her mobile) on the evening that she disappeared. He stated that she had left the country and was still in contact with him via phone and text after she disappeared, but he could not provide any evidence to corroborate that story. Police also found no evidence of phone records indicating he had contact with her after she disappeared.

    Sarah McMahon does not fit with a CSK kill. Firstly, he seems to have a "type" that he preferred as all of the known CSK victims had a similar appearance. Sarah McMahon looked very different to Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon. Additionally, Morey's purported killing of Sarah does not appear to have the level of organisation of a CSK kill and 2 other people (Allen and his wife) are alleged to have some involvement in the concealment of the crime.

    The CSK is meticulously organised. His crimes had no known witnesses. He was careful, precise. He enjoys killing. The cemetery rape was committed by one individual and there is a forensic link to Ciara Glennon's murder. Sarah McMahon's murder could not be more different from the known CSK crimes. I don't think that the CSK would risk getting caught or want his crimes to be witnessed. The CSK likes his privacy. I don't believe that Sarah McMahon's murder was a CSK kill, and I don't believe that Morey is/was the Claremont Serial Killer. I think that the Claremont Serial Killer is unknown to the police at this stage.
    Yeah but that is all specualtive and really doesnt answer anything. Anyone can change their MO etc Look at Richard Dorrough, obviously a smart killer, he managed to get off two suspicious cases and attempt to mow a person down with his car and barely spent any time in Prison for numerous killings... He was sloppy between kills and used a car.

    Now back to the CSK, a cemetery rapist hiding in the bushes, doesn't sound that meticulous, seems more like bad police work than a super human serial killer... Taking those bodies to those dump sites would have been minimal effort... He left the bodies in the open...

    Now back to Sarah McMahon and Sarah Spiers, I quite often confuse the two when I see them in articles, there is no way he chose a particular type of 'looking' female, given all the victims different body shapes he took the first obvious target, an alone woman, bungled them into a car in a Blitz attack with no one round but a bunch of drunks, bound them with cord or rope, possibly choked them unconscious and then stabbed them senseless in a rural spot where blood would easily wash away if it rained or would be hard to find, and then dumped the body somewhere close to the kill spot.. What the girls looked like is irrelavent, a girl alone was the target.

    Now it is becoming pretty obvious that if the Police had poured the right resources into the Karrakatta rape in 1995 then the whole thing would be 'case closed' but they didn't, just like when Dixie raped the asian student, they didn't bother to DNA test him and see if it was connected, then they deported him, the police back then were below average at best, everyone suspected a superhuman super intelligent sophisticated serial killer, rather than just think logically about the case. Its just some dude abducting girls alone with some rope, bundling them into the back of a car, he already made the massive mistake of allowing his rape victim to escape, so his intelligence begs the question, he made his mistake straight away, but got away with it, he refined himself and had some successful kills, that is our serial killer.

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    I recon DrPath is way on the ball that any of you. Mr. M is not involved & SMM is not a victim of the CSK. Elastic I see, is starting to become wise in DRPaths thoughts. The Police have all along said SMM case is not linked to CSK. SMM car, phone, witnesses to her travels are all apparent. Did the CSK leave anything at the scenes? My bet is 98% not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkie View Post
    I recon DrPath is way on the ball that any of you. Mr. M is not involved & SMM is not a victim of the CSK. Elastic I see, is starting to become wise in DRPaths thoughts. The Police have all along said SMM case is not linked to CSK. SMM car, phone, witnesses to her travels are all apparent. Did the CSK leave anything at the scenes? My bet is 98% not.
    You have no substantial proof he is not, but you insist on ruling him out...

    What I find laughable is this:

    Sarah McMahon does not fit with a CSK kill. Firstly, he seems to have a "type" that he preferred as all of the known CSK victims had a similar appearance. Sarah McMahon looked very different to Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon. Additionally, Morey's purported killing of Sarah does not appear to have the level of organisation of a CSK kill and 2 other people (Allen and his wife) are alleged to have some involvement in the concealment of the crime.

    The CSK is meticulously organised. His crimes had no known witnesses. He was careful, precise. He enjoys killing. The cemetery rape was committed by one individual and there is a forensic link to Ciara Glennon's murder. Sarah McMahon's murder could not be more different from the known CSK crimes. I don't think that the CSK would risk getting caught or want his crimes to be witnessed. The CSK likes his privacy. I don't believe that Sarah McMahon's murder was a CSK kill, and I don't believe that Morey is/was the Claremont Serial Killer. I think that the Claremont Serial Killer is unknown to the police at this stage.
    So he is precise and highly 'skilled', yet his bungles people into VAN's or Vehicles with cord and rapes them in cemetery's, letting them escape, and almost getting himself 'caught' by trying to have sex with them at a CEMETARY!, yet he is thought of as being some meticulously organised individual. How sloppy did he have to be, he could have been caught because he attempted to'rape' before he killed, obviously realized what a massive mistake this was and refined himself to bypass the rape and go straight for the kill the next time, because at the end of the day the kill is his fantasy, not the rape.

    With this sort of thought process its no wonder 20 years have passed.

    I wonder what sort of individual hides around looking for woman to rape late at night and has the time to dump their bodies before day break? Someone who does Meth, lots of criminals in WA are meth addicts, Morey has links to Meth.

    Also Sarah McMahon doesnt fit into his other kills either, the sex workers, he changed his MO, she was opportunist, hit him up for some ICE and they went off and he killed her, he thought no one would know but they traced his phone and triangulated it... That is rumour and not proven by the way so do not add that McMahon was with Morey to go get Meth as a fact just yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus View Post

    If they have DNA from the Karrakatta rape then god-damn send it off so a facial profile can be developed. My gut feeling is this is nothing but a police strategy to try and lure the CSK out.
    Would the facial profile show what he looked like 20 years ago? Or would they risk inaccuracy by trying to project to present day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elastic View Post
    You have no substantial proof he is not, but you insist on ruling him out...

    What I find laughable is this:



    So he is precise and highly 'skilled', yet his bungles people into VAN's or Vehicles with cord and rapes them in cemetery's, letting them escape, and almost getting himself 'caught' by trying to have sex with them at a CEMETARY!, yet he is thought of as being some meticulously organised individual. How sloppy did he have to be, he could have been caught because he attempted to'rape' before he killed, obviously realized what a massive mistake this was and refined himself to bypass the rape and go straight for the kill the next time, because at the end of the day the kill is his fantasy, not the rape.

    With this sort of thought process its no wonder 20 years have passed.

    I wonder what sort of individual hides around looking for woman to rape late at night and has the time to dump their bodies before day break? Someone who does Meth, lots of criminals in WA are meth addicts, Morey has links to Meth.
    Good stuff elastic. The fact that he tried to rape someone in a cemetery just further illustrates that this guy is a mega dunce

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    Quote Originally Posted by billywhizz View Post
    The fact that he tried to rape someone in a cemetery just further illustrates that this guy is a mega dunce
    The cemetery rape victim was abducted from a different area and taken to the cemetery, a quiet secluded area, where he could commit his crime in private. A fledgling killer's first known attempt. Much research has been done which has shown that serial killers often make mistakes such as the CSK did in the cemetery rape before they perfect their craft.


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    This is quite interesting, I was trying to find some stuff on Morey and someone here had this link:
    http://www.news.com.au/news/lost-in-...-1111113619174

    There is a part where Debbie Marshall the crime writer says the following:
    Marshall also includes the cases of Hayley Dodd and Sarah McMahon who disappeared in 1999 and 2000. She believes the police have not exhausted the possibility that they – Sarah, in particular – could also be victims of the Claremont killer.“I do think she could be a victim, yes, I do. There is no way you can wipe it out,” she says.
    But Mr Lampard dismisses this allegation out of hand.

    I am not a fan of Debbie Marshall but I have the utmost respect for her being a crime writer, we have no investigative journalists in WA and its a sad sorry state so reading something from anyone who has done their own research is always refreshing...

    She believes McMahon is definitely linked.

    The article:
    http://www.news.com.au/news/lost-in-...-1111113619174

    The article is time stamped May 27, 2007. We already knew Morey was the MAIN suspect is Sarah McMahons murder at that date, she is a crime writer and would have done a thorough investigation into it too....

    But then again we have Parkie and DrPath and all those West Australian experts all trying to outdo each other for the next sensationalist expert analysis into the psyche of the Claremont Serial Killer.... hmmmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drpath View Post
    The cemetery rape victim was abducted from a different area and taken to the cemetery, a quiet secluded area, where he could commit his crime in private. A fledgling killer's first known attempt. Much research has been done which has shown that serial killers often make mistakes such as the CSK did in the cemetery rape before they perfect their craft.
    I don't think he is 'meticulous' and 'precise' at all. He is more than likely a meth addict junkie with impotence who was hiding in the bushes late at night waiting for an easy victim to emerge to bungle into the back of his VAN in a blitz attack before carting her hopelessly round the corner to the cemetery late at night to have his way with her and probably then kill her. The wreckless meth junkie, off his chops at the time and struggling to impose himself on her due to meth induced state of psychosis gave her an opportunity to run off and escape leaving the CSK terrified that his 'meticulous' grand plan hasn't even started and he is more or less caught, but due to a miraculous balls up in the Police work they ignore the case and focus on useless leads and hone in on desperate targets making them POI's whilst our 'meticulous' cemetery rapist plots his next attempt to abduct and kill some innocent alone female unfortunate to be at the wrong place and at the wrong time whilst he preyed around a night spot that was familiar to him (Maybe he grew up here, maybe he still lived in the area)

    He then possibly changes his vehicle to something else, maybe a station wagon, did the rape victim remember the car? he probably decided to change cars just in case and bought himself a station wagon which could do a similar job.

    Three CSK kills later he abondons the area, the heat is too much, despite knowing the area like the back of his hand its now considered far too risky and an easier hunting ground is found, the immortality complex of the wrong man being a POI and possibly 3 potential CSK POI at the time make him feel relaxed and capable to keep his kills up as long as his MO has changed.

    Now they are analysing trace elements of chord or cable that may have been left deep into the skin of both Ciara Glennon and the rape victim and they know they can link the two cases because even though the CSK might have changed cars, he kept the same chord, or cable for these abductions. He probably then changed to a rope or something when he changed MO's and ditched everything.

    They probably dont have the DNA foir the Karakatta rapist, but they are probably now thinking if they do have chord and they can lift trace elements off of the chord or cable that may be skin particles from the killer when he squeezed the cable really hard...

    All this talk of forensics eventually leading to the killers capture in the next few years, maybe they donthave much to analyse, but the technologies there and they are making upgrades and advancements to their technology and equipment in their forensic labs so they can lift those elements..

    Could they not be bothered that the CSK will kill again and could they be taking there time to analyse and get everything ready for the inevitable case, they have time, is the CSK currently locked up for another crime, so they casually gather as much evidence as possible without jumping the gun, keep multiple POI's so they dont seem like they have tunnel vision, and be working the case to its conclusion.

    Probably, If you are as stupid as the CSK is and attempt to rape someone in a cemetery and let them get away then you wont be hard to catch if the CSK left a little bit of good, but tiny particles of evidence on objects that are only just now able to be analysed?

    The timing seems somewhat coincidental.

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    The Crime Investigation Australia episode about the CSK, made in conjunction with the WA Police, states the following regarding the CSK profile that was developed by Police in liaison with Claude Menicini and former FBI Captain David Caldwell...

    "All that's (publicly) revealed about the killer's profile is that he's organised and that the abductions were carefully planned and controlled...this person clearly knew what he was doing and had planned it meticulously right down to what they were going to do when the girls got in the car, how they would restrain them...it would have to have been well planned for it to be carried out so well"

    My statements about the Claremont Serial Killer are hardly presumptions. They are based on the parts of the criminal profile that the police have released to the public. It is very unlikely that the CSK was a bumbling meth addict when he abducted and murdered Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon.
    Last edited by drpath; 10-19-2015 at 10:15 AM.

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    Was looking at this article and Morey makes this specific quote in 2012

    "Man, if I'm supposed to be this mad serial killer running around, why would I be carrying this bag around with me."
    Who has accused him of being a 'serial killer' . This sounds like he has been questioned about being a 'serial killer' That means at least 3 confirmed kills on separate occasions.

    He said the above quote here:

    http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/sa...214-2beir.html

    So in 2012 he was so assured of himself from being branded a 'serial killer' that he was prepared to say it in a Coroners Court. I wonder why he said it, his thoughts behind getting that out there so everyone could hear those words.. Were the police heavily interrogating him then about being a 'serial killer' not just a 'killer'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus View Post
    Judoman

    If they have Judman's DNA and it's correct that police have Karrakatta man's DNA then Judoman is not Karrakatta Man.


    If police are telling the truth that they have a forensic link between Karrakatta Man and CSK then we're talking about someone who is off the grid so far.
    My thoughts exactly.

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