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    MI - Three siblings in juvenile detention for contempt, Pontiac, 9 July 2015

    A judge in Michigan ordered three children (15, 10 and 9) to juvenile detention for failing to have a relationship with their dad.

    Dad has supervised visits and Mom physical custody after a contentious divorce. Kids and mom claim Dad hit her in front of them, but police didn't file charges.

    I don't know which parent is in the right here, but nonetheless, I find the Judge's actions outrageous. She compares the kids to Manson, among other horrible statements.

    Article includes link to transcript of the hearing:

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...-dad/29898491/

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    I agree. I couldn't believe how judge was berating the children. And then to send them off to juvenile detention because they wouldn't have lunch with their father? Two of them are only 9 and 10 years old. And by the way father went on the business trip to Israel while his children are locked up. So he isn't visiting them in jail, and mother isn't allowed to.
    What recourse does one have against a judge like this?
    Just my opinion

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    This says one of the children's attorneys has objected to the order. There is an emergency hearing scheduled for July 15th.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kids-loc...ship-with-dad/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosgirl View Post
    This says one of the children's attorneys has objected to the order. There is an emergency hearing scheduled for July 15th.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kids-loc...ship-with-dad/
    Judge lectured children on "normal" behavior. I don't find her own behavior normal. It's bizarre how she addressed the children (who are well behaved and have good manners, according to the neighbors). These children are not juvenile delinquents. The 10 year old child agreed to have lunch with the father, but judge kept berating the children and 10 year old changed his mind. Judge said that father has the power to get children released, if father tells judge his child is no longer like "Charlie Manson's cult." Yet the father went away on business (to Israel), and the children are locked up in a juvenile detention facility.
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    I would LOVE to hear Gitana1's opinion on this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosgirl View Post
    I would LOVE to hear Gitana1's opinion on this!
    I left a message for her.

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    this is interesting:

    In the Oakland Circuit Court case, each of the children is represented by separate attorneys, "none of whom objected to the children's placement" at Children's Village, according to Middleditch's statement.

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    Attorneys were appointed on the day of the hearing. And apparently one of them objected since the hearing, so claim that none objected is not even true anymore.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kids-loc...ship-with-dad/
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosgirl View Post
    A judge in Michigan ordered three children (15, 10 and 9) to juvenile detention for failing to have a relationship with their dad.

    Dad has supervised visits and Mom physical custody after a contentious divorce. Kids and mom claim Dad hit her in front of them, but police didn't file charges.

    I don't know which parent is in the right here, but nonetheless, I find the Judge's actions outrageous. She compares the kids to Manson, among other horrible statements.

    Article includes link to transcript of the hearing:

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...-dad/29898491/
    perhaps it's my ********* - but i can't find the link to the transcript.

    any chance you could post a direct link?

    the story that was linked provided some additional background - quote:

    Lansat wrote that parenting time scheduled for Aug. 21 and 22, 2014, in the court's jury room was disrupted by the children's behavior.

    "When the children first came to the courthouse on that Thursday it took at least six deputies, a prosecutor ... various court personnel and finally the judge to get those kids into the jury room," Lansat wrote. "The court admonished Mother as to what the Court saw in the children's behavior on the record — at least twice. The three minor children sat outside the courtroom on the chairs. the children would not respond to me — but more important — either to the deputies or the prosecutor. For minor children to basically evade armed Sheriff's (deputies) is absolutely appalling.

    "I advised Mother that unless she gets these kids off the bench, there will be grave consequences — such as placement in the Children's Village."

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...-dad/29935383/
    i . m . o .

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    So the children has been threatened with this Children's village (which judge refers to as jail) for quite some time now?

    Normally the children are well behaved.

    “These kids are extraordinarily academically gifted. Good young citizens, polite, the best young people you can imagine and have never been in any trouble and now they are incarcerated until they turn 18 years old. And they don’t know that anyone on the outside is doing anything to help them. The oldest, Liam, is so mathematically gifted he was invited to attend an elite mathematics program at Stanford this summer. He is such a fine big brother that he asked for deferred admission until his younger siblings could come with him.”

    Read more at http://observer.com/2015/07/lawyer-f...#ixzz3fV0ZwU2u
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    Just my opinion


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    OMG the quotes in this article are nearly unbelievable, hard to imagine a grown judge using this kind of (imo abusive) language with anyone, let alone kids.

    Gorcyca called the boy a “defiant, contemptuous young man” and asked him if there was anything he’d like to say about being sent to Children’s Village.
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    “I ordered you to talk to your father. You chose not to talk to your father. You defied a direct court order. It’s direct contempt so I’m finding you guilty of civil contempt.”

    The boy responded: “But he was the one that (did) something wrong. I thought there (were) rules .. for not hitting someone.”

    You’re supposed to have a high IQ, which I’m doubting right now because of the way you act,” Gorcyca said.
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    You are so mentally messed up right now and it’s not because of your father,” Gorcyca said.

    A girl, 9, was asked if she would also like to apologize to her father, but she had no audible response.

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    “You want to have your birthdays in Children’s Village? Do you like going to the bathroom in front of people? Is your bed soft and comfortable at home? I’ll tell you this, if you two don’t have a nice lunch with your dad and make this up to your dad, you’re going to come back here (after lunch) and I’m going to have the deputies take you to Children’s Village.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandy View Post
    perhaps it's my ********* - but i can't find the link to the transcript.

    any chance you could post a direct link?

    the story that was linked provided some additional background - quote:

    Lansat wrote that parenting time scheduled for Aug. 21 and 22, 2014, in the court's jury room was disrupted by the children's behavior.

    "When the children first came to the courthouse on that Thursday it took at least six deputies, a prosecutor ... various court personnel and finally the judge to get those kids into the jury room," Lansat wrote. "The court admonished Mother as to what the Court saw in the children's behavior on the record at least twice. The three minor children sat outside the courtroom on the chairs. the children would not respond to me but more important either to the deputies or the prosecutor. For minor children to basically evade armed Sheriff's (deputies) is absolutely appalling.

    "I advised Mother that unless she gets these kids off the bench, there will be grave consequences such as placement in the Children's Village."

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...-dad/29935383/
    Thanks!! That sure helps shine a light on it. Tapping their feet in some kind of Morse code shows the degree of manipulative behavior that has been going on for years. I guess these kids thought they could draw the line in the sand and the Judge wouldn't dare cross it.

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by hb2008 View Post
    OMG the quotes in this article are nearly unbelievable, hard to imagine a grown judge using this kind of (imo abusive) language with anyone, let alone kids.



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    My mind is also boggled. I can't believe judge is using that kind of language toward 9, 10 and a 14 year old. It sounded extremely abusive to me for an adult (and a judge) to address minor children who have not committed any crimes, that way.
    If that's how she behaved in previous hearings also, no wonder children might not behave well while in court.
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyBelle View Post
    Thanks!! That sure helps shine a light on it. Tapping their feet in some kind of Morse code shows the degree of manipulative behavior that has been going on for years. I guess these kids thought they could draw the line in the sand and the Judge wouldn't dare cross it.

    JMO
    The children are not on trial here. They haven't committed any crimes. Judge can not force a child to have a healthy relationship with child's father. It's just ridiculous.
    What if court demanded that you had a "healthy relationship" with someone you didn't like, and threw you in jail if you refused?
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    The children are not on trial here. They haven't committed any crimes. Judge can not force a child to have a healthy relationship with child's father. It's just ridiculous.
    What if court demanded that you had a "healthy relationship" with someone you didn't like, and threw you in jail if you refused?
    BBM. Yes, they were. The Judge gave them each a choice and they were defiant so she held them on contempt. Of course she can't force them to have a healthy relationship but she sure can control who has custody.

    Judge Lisa Gorcyca ordered the children — ages 9, 10 and 14 — to Children's Village on June 24 for civil contempt of court after they refused to have lunch with or talk to their father.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...-dad/29898491/

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