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    Quote Originally Posted by GR_Turner View Post
    I don't see any justification for that in this case. He was interviewed and given tests over weeks by professionals who must see malingering and all sorts all the time working in a mental hospital. I doubt a bit of acting would do the job.
    .......Mr Turner......referring to my opinion about his character......read carefully, there was nothing untoward of an psychological nature, he is a borderline case......i think there are times when he could be perfectly normal and other times when he becomes a raving lunatic and goes around blasting with guns.................like all little boys, they need to let out their energy.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftermath View Post
    Ah but is it reasonably possible that so many experts could make the same series of errors when assessing pistorius?
    ....i kindly re-direct you to post 31.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin de France View Post
    ....i kindly re-direct you to post 31.....
    And they all failed to recognise this borderline case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftermath View Post
    And they all failed to recognise this borderline case?
    .......Mrs Aftermath....the facts speak for themselves....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin de France View Post
    ...a lot of insulting posts have just been removed from page 3.... i wonder if we can get back to the purpose of this thread......


    from that article i posted at outset of this thread :

    Judge Davis, serving High Court judge in SA.
    http://mg.co.za/article/2014-11-06-b...ok-muddles-law

    When a serving famous, HC Judge says in the national papers that as a witness/defendent that you* are "hugely unimpressive" you know it's scathing but that he is moderating the words he would actually like to use. So you have to read between the lines, but the meaning is always clear.

    On expert witnesses at the trial, he speaks for many when he says" The role of expert witnesses was highlighted in this trial. The defence called Roger Dixon, a qualified geologist, who appeared not to be an expert in the forensic issues on which he purported to give evidence."

    * he's talking about OP here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin de France View Post
    .......Mr Turner......referring to my opinion about his character......read carefully, there was nothing untoward of an psychological nature, he is a borderline case......i think there are times when he could be perfectly normal and other times when he becomes a raving lunatic and goes around blasting with guns.................like all little boys, they need to let out their energy.....
    What with the Mr Turner and Mrs Aftermath?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GR_Turner View Post
    What with the Mr Turner and Mrs Aftermath?
    ....Mr Turner........manners maketh man.....in the interests of the debate can we stick to the subject and kindly refrain from discussing my good self .....thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottonweaver View Post
    [/B]

    from that article i posted at outset of this thread :

    Judge Davis, serving High Court judge in SA.
    http://mg.co.za/article/2014-11-06-b...ok-muddles-law

    When a serving famous, HC Judge says in the national papers that as a witness/defendent that you* are "hugely unimpressive" you know it's scathing but that he is moderating the words he would actually like to use. So you have to read between the lines, but the meaning is always clear.

    On expert witnesses at the trial, he speaks for many when he says" The role of expert witnesses was highlighted in this trial. The defence called Roger Dixon, a qualified geologist, who appeared not to be an expert in the forensic issues on which he purported to give evidence."

    * he's talking about OP here
    Dixon was in SAPS for (was it) 18 years and only left recently though - he had been the boss of the state's door expert (who wasn't a qualified expert in tool marks though Dixon actually was). I liked that review though - it was very pointed. With regard to his judgement of the trial, isn't all sailing one way though:

    "Coming out so close to the end of the trial and before sentencing was concluded, Behind the Door cannot deal with any real criticism of the prosecution. But many lawyers wrote early on in the trial that the prosecution’s strategy was ill-conceived – premeditated murder was going to be extremely difficult to prove."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin de France View Post
    ....Mr Turner........manners maketh man.....in the interests of the debate can we can stick to the subject and kindly refrain from discussing my good self .....thank you.
    My name is GR_Turner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin de France View Post
    .......Mrs Aftermath....the facts speak for themselves....
    This is true. The facts are that the professional opinions of the experts who assessed him were accepted by both state and defence.

    But all that is being offered in posts about pistorius acting/becoming a raving lunatic/ being sexually frustrated etc is unsubstantiated opinion -


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    For the third time across the last 20 posts - IMO, the prosecution was not going to be able to prove DD- insufficient evidence.

    That's the deal - basis of evidence .
    Nonetheless people like Roux* can still feel deep down OP shot RS knowingly, with intent, in rage.

    *any advocate can still hold their own, private opinion.

    One of the first posts i made back in 2014 was a cartoon drawn at outset of the trial which illustrated the deficiencies in resources, expertise of the NPA - they are notorious for it. This is common knowledge to anyone who has really followed this case and looked at both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottonweaver View Post
    For the third time across the last 20 posts - IMO, the prosecution was not going to be able to prove DD- insufficient evidence.

    That's the deal - basis of evidence .
    Nonetheless people like Roux* can still feel deep down OP shot RS knowingly, with intent, in rage.

    *any advocate can still hold their own, private opinion.

    One of the first posts i made back in 2014 was a cartoon drawn at outset of the trial which illustrated the deficiencies in resources, expertise of the NPA - they are notorious for it. This is common knowledge to anyone who has really followed this case and looked at both sides.
    I agree that there was never sufficient evidence to prove DD

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    Here is the cartoon link

    http://www.zapiro.com/cartoon/168113...t#.VaevtCpViko

    It may be deemed to be offensive to the NPA, so if any of the NPA are currently posting and you find that's true, you know what to do
    Last edited by cottonweaver; 07-16-2015 at 09:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftermath View Post
    This is true. The facts are that the professional opinions of the experts who assessed him were accepted by both state and defence.

    But all that is being offered in posts about pistorius acting/becoming a raving lunatic/ being sexually frustrated etc is unsubstantiated opinion -
    ....in reference to the last phrase, i do agree that it is opinion but nonetheless based on a certain degree of substantiated evidence, such as selective crying, shooting guns off in public, reading pornographic magazines etc....but i do agree partially with your statement, having said that an opinion isn't a crime......just as you yourself are entitled to one, albeit wrong.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftermath View Post
    1) ?? It was valentines night the next night.

    2)but photographic evidence of muscle tape for injury in police photos gives support to this claim

    3) yes a coincidence. But makes sense given that he was locking up/ closing curtains for bed: they were about to go to sleep, so she nips off to the toilet first.

    4) no- he heard the noise after he brought the fan (s) in. If she went to the bathroom when he was getting the fans in (as in 3) above) and she opened the window - that is what he would have heard...the coincidence here is that she opened the window as he moved away from the fans, meaning he could hear the noise.

    5) no. There was no ladder against the wall. The coincidence is that earlier in the week he says he spoke to the contractor about securing the ladders.

    If pistorius is telling the truth about thinking there was an intruder then the whole thing is a catastrophic coming together of coincidence, context, ill-judgement and fear.
    They went to bed about five hours before this, around ten remember. Don`t you find it at all odd that Reeva made not a sound other than saying `Can`t you sleep baba` when he was bringing in the fans? No words, no noises as she either walked around the bed or slid across it and made her way down the dark hallway. Not a little odd that she didn`t turn on a light to ease her way and help him flaffing about with fans in the dark? Or that after he heard the noise and grabbed his gun (again in the dark) that he couldn`t sense that she was no longer there. He never even mentioned her speaking in the bail affidavit. Why? IMO it was because none of this happened but he later had to claim that she was awake and so could have slipped off to the toilet, quiet as a cat. Below is the relevant part of the bail app. Why did he immediately assume it was an intruder and not her? He knew she was awake. If we are going to talk about logic, wouldn't it be at least as logical that it was the person sharing his bed and bath rooms that had gone into the toilet. Why not call out `Is that you baba?`. After all he was about to go screaming down the hallway so it is not as if he thought silence was important.

    "After Reeva finished her yoga exercises she got into bed and we both fell asleep. I am acutely aware of violent crime being committed by intruders entering homes with a view to commit crime, including violent crime. I have received death threats before. I have also been a victim of violence and of burglaries before. For that reason I kept my firearm, a 9mm Parabellum, underneath my bed when I went to bed at night.

    "During the early morning hours of 14 February 2013, I woke up, went onto the balcony to bring the fan in and closed the sliding doors, the blinds and the curtains. I heard a noise in the bathroom and realised that someone was in the bathroom.

    "I felt a sense of terror rushing over me. There are no burglar bars across the bathroom window and I knew that contractors who worked at my house had left the ladders outside. Although I did not have my prosthetic legs on I have mobility on my stumps. I believed that someone had entered my house. I was too scared to switch a light on.

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