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    CO - James Holmes Trial - *Penalty Phase* #3

    Quote Originally Posted by MissHaley View Post
    yes, right as GB was setting up this last question, our friend Spengler started to talk to Brady- then Brady objected. They really didn't want the dad's comment to FBI agent to be known.
    Its Nelson next to the shooter. (She ANNOYS me so much!) How can it be hearsay if GB is asking something the dad said himself?


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    As a personal aside, I do see where the defense is going. Losing a girlfriend and his future near the same time ....his self identity was stripped.

    Years ago, I was laid off from my job and lost my fiance (due to a heart attack) with in 9 days of each other. I was devastated. I knew from prior experience that I would go into a downward spin of depression.

    When folks asked what they could do to help me, I said do not leave me alone for 1 minute for 2 weeks.
    I knew that I would be in a Downward Spiral If I Was Alone.

    Ended up...My family and friends did not leave me alone for 1 minute for 3 weeks. I was shuttled from friend to friend, had someone take me on a five day trip to visit 3 different friends in the mountains, and family came up to stay with me the third week .

    Anyone who has been through such back to back loss on that jury may indeed think the mitigators outweighs the aggravators.
    I DO not ...

    But I do understand where they're going. Tying that in to mental illness ... Some jurors may lean to life vs death .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amster View Post
    Dad sure developed a memory problem on cross exam! One of many reasons that I think there is much more to this families story than we're being told....
    I noticed that. On direct he said he had read the emails & listened to the VMs.
    When GB asked him about them, he say he didn't remember what they said! But, he testified he just viewed/listened to them to Brady. GB had to bring him the emails!
    IMO, this was coaching by the defense to not cooperate & be difficult with GB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    Good Morning WS Friends!

    See you here soon.
    Perhaps we will hear from JH's mother.

    After listening to testimony from JH's father and JH's sister, I continue to think that there existed an unordinary degree of detachment within that family unit.

    One poster repeatedly challenged my opinion yesterday, and that is OK, because it is my opinion. However today, I will take my belief even one step further by saying, something was just off in that family. You are only as sick as your secrets. JMO. JH's mother's testimony was influence my thinking enough to reverse it. On the other hand, she may validated it. In the end, it is only my opinion.

    I have to agree on this...DB has done his usual masterful job of showing how detached this father was....I too am waiting for the mother...father seems very much like some military families I have known over the years...he just did not get involved in most of the childrens' lives...little emotion is shown does not mean he does not feel deep down...also in these families that I know one has had a child commit suicide and another an estranged son...family units were definitely strained but clearly had some of the good times...probably no corrolation but all this sounds familiar. Clearly you can have a child with mental illness and be in denial...so often after the fact the clues come out.

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    What was the dad doing to get told off by the bailiff? I saw Ms Teesch-Maguire jump up. Was he reading the emails?


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    I see Ms Higgs is wearing a cute little headband today. How old is she?!


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    Seems like this father has selective memories....I actually feel sorry for him on one level..His personality is actually typical for many fathers..where the women of the house played a more active role in the children's upbringing's.. They usual only get the bad news ..or overview of things..not so much in detail.

    I think the mother will have more to offer or at least she should unless she decides to have "Sometimer's Disease"??

    NOTE: no juror questions....speaks volumes to me!

    Daddy Holmes is off the stand..next up is ????????oh geesh..Brady lets play some video of testimony from last week...Need time to brief the Mrs. I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atthelake View Post
    As a personal aside, I do see where the defense is going. Losing a girlfriend and his future near the same time ....his self identity was stripped.

    Years ago, I was laid off from my job and lost my fiance (due to a heart attack) with in 9 days of each other. I was devastated. I knew from prior experience that I would go into a downward spin of depression.

    When folks asked what they could do to help me, I said do not leave me alone for 1 minute for 2 weeks.
    I knew that I would be in a Downward Spiral If I Was Alone.

    Ended up...My family and friends did not leave me alone for 1 minute for 3 weeks. I was shuttled from friend to friend, had someone take me on a five day trip to visit 3 different friends in the mountains, and family came up to stay with me the third week .

    Anyone who has been through such back to back loss on that jury may indeed think the mitigators outweighs the aggravators.
    I DO not ...

    But I do understand where they're going. Tying that in to mental illness ... Some jurors may lean to life vs death .

    ETA.. I wonder how much guilt the parents have that they did not go to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by atthelake View Post
    ETA.. I wonder how much guilt the parents have that they did not go to him
    I'm sure they must feel some guilt. But ultimately their son was very secretive and I don't think they had a clue what he was planning.

    I don't doubt they would have stopped him had they known what he had decided to do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by turaj View Post
    I have to agree on this...DB has done his usual masterful job of showing how detached this father was....I too am waiting for the mother...father seems very much like some military families I have known over the years...he just did not get involved in most of the childrens' lives...little emotion is shown does not mean he does not feel deep down...also in these families that I know one has had a child commit suicide and another an estranged son...family units were definitely strained but clearly had some of the good times...probably no corrolation but all this sounds familiar. Clearly you can have a child with mental illness and be in denial...so often after the fact the clues come out.

    OR JH did not like that his father was involved to the point of micro managing JH's life, ordering him around like a trainee or young soldier etc, wanting JH to do what the father suggested, but it was really more like an order. Kids will stay away just for that reason , have very strange conversations with their parent so they do not give away to much info of their (the childs) life, causing this distanance and not wanting to talk to their parent. Had experience with this too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maisiebelle View Post
    I'm sure they must feel some guilt. But ultimately their son was very secretive and I don't think they had a clue what he was planning.

    I don't doubt they would have stopped him had they known what he had decided to do.


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    SMH .. I do understand that. I'm just thankful of my siblings and friends being there. I had no parents at the time. It made so much difference! Losing your self identity, your work and personal relationship at the same time ..could be considered catastrophic.

    I am now more vigilant to friends going though a loss.

    Again, think these two complex mitigators may impact perhaps one juror .

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    Quote Originally Posted by atthelake View Post
    SMH .. I do understand that. I'm just thankful of my siblings and friends being there. I had no parents at the time. It made so much difference! Losing your self identity, your work and personal relationship at the same time ..could be considered catastrophic.

    I am now more vigilant to friends going though a loss.

    Again, think these two complex mitigators may impact perhaps one juror .
    I'm so glad you had people who looked after you and listened when you said you needed constant supervision. I hope you are happy and settled now with no more upset or heartache. (((Hugs)))


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    Quote Originally Posted by MsJosie View Post
    OR JH did not like that his father was involved to the point of micro managing JH's life, ordering him around like a trainee or young soldier etc, wanting JH to do what the father suggested, but it was really more like an order. Kids will stay away just for that reason , have very strange conversations with their parent so they do not give away to much info of their (the childs) life, causing this distanance and not wanting to talk to their parent. Had experience with this too.
    If I remember correctly the shooters dad was a military child, not in the military. That's not to say that the dad didn't treat his son the way his dad treated him ....... If that makes sense!


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    Quote Originally Posted by atthelake View Post
    As a personal aside, I do see where the defense is going. Losing a girlfriend and his future near the same time ....his self identity was stripped.

    Years ago, I was laid off from my job and lost my fiance (due to a heart attack) with in 9 days of each other. I was devastated. I knew from prior experience that I would go into a downward spin of depression.

    When folks asked what they could do to help me, I said do not leave me alone for 1 minute for 2 weeks.
    I knew that I would be in a Downward Spiral If I Was Alone.

    Ended up...My family and friends did not leave me alone for 1 minute for 3 weeks. I was shuttled from friend to friend, had someone take me on a five day trip to visit 3 different friends in the mountains, and family came up to stay with me the third week .

    Anyone who has been through such back to back loss on that jury may indeed think the mitigators outweighs the aggravators.
    I DO not ...

    But I do understand where they're going. Tying that in to mental illness ... Some jurors may lean to life vs death .

    Just curious....what mitigators? Nevermind....I see you talked about what you consider mitigators in another post
    IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maisiebelle View Post
    What was the dad doing to get told off by the bailiff? I saw Ms Teesch-Maguire jump up. Was he reading the emails?


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    I think he was trying to talk to his son.

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