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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by LTUlegal
    Um, would this be like guessing the number of jelly beans in the jar?
    ...or the number of ravens in a flock ?
    my opinion...........and i happen to agree with it.....

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    Originally posted by lauriej
    ...if he did in fact speculate suicide 'back in the beginning'.........or now.....putting her family through that.....then my opinion of raven has sunk to a very new low...........[/QUOTE]

    EVEN if Janet had committed suicide, which good point (suicide victims can't get rid of their own weapon), I would think a GOOD husband would protect his wife, and suggest otherwise to protect her and her family. And if NOTHING else it would put him in a better light. Like her life wasnt that horrible and maybe he was a good provider and husband.

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    I just can't get past this rumor. If someone has been questioned for hours after a death, I just can't imagine that they would leave the police station thinking that a murder was a suicide. So why would he tell anyone this, (if he did)? This part is too much for me to explain away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyGirl
    I just can't get past this rumor. If someone has been questioned for hours after a death, I just can't imagine that they would leave the police station thinking that a murder was a suicide. So why would he tell anyone this, (if he did)? This part is too much for me to explain away.
    This is just so hurtful to imagine Raven leaving Janet's family to believe that she took her own life. You would think he'd want to protect them, Kaiden and Janet if it was true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfmom
    This is just so hurtful to imagine Raven leaving Janet's family to believe that she took her own life. You would think he'd want to protect them, Kaiden and Janet if it was true.
    Is there any reason that any of you can think of that an innocent person would tell a victim's loved ones that she committed suicide when she was, in fact, murdered, (and he knows it)? I can't think of one single reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyGirl
    Is there any reason that any of you can think of that an innocent person would tell a victim's loved ones that she committed suicide when she was, in fact, murdered, (and he knows it)? I can't think of one single reason.
    Nope, I can't either. But I can think of why someone who is guilty of murder would conjur up such a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moxie
    Nope, I can't either. But I can think of why someone who is guilty of murder would conjur up such a lie.
    Exactly. And that's why this is one of the MAJOR sticking points for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauriej
    ..it's beyond comprehension that raven could have told family members that it was a possible suicide........
    ...to hear news that she had died would be one thing..........taking her own life.....only adds to the trauma........

    ...raven was there.............even if he did claim " gunshot wounds"........and then went on to speculate suicide...........'where was the gun raven ?" a suicide victim can't then get rid of their own weapon.....

    ...if he did in fact speculate suicide 'back in the beginning'.........or now.....putting her family through that.....then my opinion of raven has sunk to a very new low...........
    I hear you Laurie, but my opinion of Raven has always been at the lowest end of nothing as it is.

    However, this is Raven we are talking about, a man that can babble and and ball like a baby to get sympathy and get out of a conversation and yet, 15 minutes later go out and have a good old time like he has no care in the world.

    Murderer, can you hear me now?
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    I've never thought that Raven had much of an intellect...but how STUPID is this low-life? Did he really think the suicide story would hold up? That people would just accept it with no questions asked and he would be in the clear? I am continually baffled by his ignorance!

    And, most importantly, how terribly cruel for Janet's family.
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    Wouldn't you just love to hear what he told his own family? How many tales has he spun?


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    They will all know the truth eventually, and have to come to terms with what he is.....a Monster!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalJerseyGirl View Post
    Well, remember that it is just an old rumor that I dug up from the old days of this forum. The rumor was VERY strong at the time, but a rumor nonetheless. I was just hoping someone could confirm it because now that we're sitting here just waiting for something to happen, it struck me just how important that information is. No one could think Raven innocent after that, IMO.

    If this indeed happened, I'm sure that the family has told LE, and the DA will use it. I guess that's what really matters.
    Guess it was not a rumor. Someone named missyoujanet made this post [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=657227&postcount=499"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - The Murder of Janet Abaroa #2[/ame]

    This is not a rumor and how would missyoujanet know what the crime scene looked like back then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalJerseyGirl View Post
    Well, remember that it is just an old rumor that I dug up from the old days of this forum. The rumor was VERY strong at the time, but a rumor nonetheless. I was just hoping someone could confirm it because now that we're sitting here just waiting for something to happen, it struck me just how important that information is. No one could think Raven innocent after that, IMO.

    If this indeed happened, I'm sure that the family has told LE, and the DA will use it. I guess that's what really matters.
    Hard to believe that in September of 2005 we were talking about rumorz that we heard "from the olds days of this forum". I remember when we hit the 6 month mark, feeling so sad and so upset that Raven hadn't been arrested yet.

    Sad that Durham has taken so long. I am definitely grateful for the tenacity of Durham's Law Enforcement that Janet's case meant so much that they continued on with it, despite all the issues in the DA's office.
    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." ~ Edmund Burke

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    "It's easier to KEEP Raven happy, than it is to MAKE Raven happy." ~Janet Christiansen (Abaroa)

    "Right now you have the capabilities of being a God" ~Karen Abaroa Bolton

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