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    Egypt - Security forces mistake tourists for terrorists, killing 12

    12 Mexican tourists were killed in a case of mistaken identity. Security forces thought they were ISIS members.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/13/middle...led/index.html

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    How awful. And scary.
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    That is devastating for everyone---except Isis. What a tragic mistake.
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    <<snipped>>

    'The attack happened Saturday within a so-called restricted area.'

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/13/middle...led/index.html

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    Why were the tourists in a restricted area? No matter, of course, this is sad.

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/wo...ists.html?_r=0
    Sept 13, 15

    [...]

    The tourists were traveling in a group of four sport utility vehicles in an area roughly 30 miles from Bahariya Oasis, security officials said. The oasis, a verdant desert outpost, is about 230 miles south of Cairo, and is a popular stop for groups on desert tours.

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34241680
    "20 minutes ago"
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    killed 12 people, including Mexican tourists,
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    The tourists were travelling in four vehicles that entered a restricted zone
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    Ten Mexicans and Egyptians were also injured and are being treated in a local hospital.
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    Odd that their drivers would take them there? Tour drivers would normally know where to go.

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    I find it very odd that Mexican tourists would be in Egypt. Now that ISIS has made inroads in Egypt it is a very dangerous place for any tourist to be. I have seen reports in the past about Mexican drug cartels working in collaboration with ISIS. I wonder if this was a joint ISIS/Mexican drug cartel operation (both groups use similar tactics such as beheadings). Of course they could be just innocent tourists who naively entered a restricted area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEVINinTO View Post
    I find it very odd that Mexican tourists would be in Egypt. Now that ISIS has made inroads in Egypt it is a very dangerous place for any tourist to be. I have seen reports in the past about Mexican drug cartels working in collaboration with ISIS. I wonder if this was a joint ISIS/Mexican drug cartel operation (both groups use similar tactics such as beheadings). Of course they could be just innocent tourists who naively entered a restricted area.
    Agreed, on the point that it is a drug route as well, but I wouldn't go as far as making the link to these tourists. The nationality of the tourists I'm not so surprise are Mexican. In Europe and the U.S., the public may be much more aware of the the threat of terrorism compared to Mexico, where cartel violence dominates.
    Last edited by FindHG; 09-14-2015 at 02:58 AM.

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    Mexican tourists killed by Egyptian security forces

    12 people, most of them tourists from Mexico, have been shot and killed on a desert safari after Egyptian security forces mistook them for terrorists. 10 people were also injured, with five Mexicans reported to be in stable condition by the Mexican ambassador when a military helicopter opened fire on their convoy.

    Authorities say the four tour vehicles entered a restricted zone in the Wahat region of the Western Desert without permission or notification. The tour operators deny this and say they even had a police escort. Mexico's President has demanded an investigation.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34241680

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEVINinTO View Post
    I find it very odd that Mexican tourists would be in Egypt. Now that ISIS has made inroads in Egypt it is a very dangerous place for any tourist to be. I have seen reports in the past about Mexican drug cartels working in collaboration with ISIS. I wonder if this was a joint ISIS/Mexican drug cartel operation (both groups use similar tactics such as beheadings). Of course they could be just innocent tourists who naively entered a restricted area.
    I have seen reports in the past about Mexican drug cartels working in collaboration with ISIS
    Hi KEVINinTO

    Could you please link to those reports?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    Hi KEVINinTO

    Could you please link to those reports?

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    I'm not Kevin, but, there are several reports of such activity. Here is just one:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/op...exas.html?_r=0

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    The site continued, “ISIS may be working to infiltrate’ the U.S. with the aid of transnational drug cartels, he said, citing the violent Mexican criminal gang MS-13 as a highly likely candidate for the partnership.”

    WND was not the only one to hype the cartel line. Representative Ted Poe of Texas said in August that there was interaction between ISIS and Mexican drug cartels and that they were “talking to each other.”

    Fox News “reported” Friday on a so-called “situational awareness” bulletin sent out by the Texas Department of Public Safety and obtained by the “news” network. According to Fox, the bulletin read, “A review of ISIS social media messaging during the week ending August 26 shows that militants are expressing an increased interest in the notion that they could clandestinely infiltrate the southwest border of U.S., for terror attack.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindHG View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/wo...ists.html?_r=0
    Sept 13, 15

    [...]

    The tourists were traveling in a group of four sport utility vehicles in an area roughly 30 miles from Bahariya Oasis, security officials said. The oasis, a verdant desert outpost, is about 230 miles south of Cairo, and is a popular stop for groups on desert tours.

    [...]
    ~

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34241680
    "20 minutes ago"
    [...]
    killed 12 people, including Mexican tourists,
    [...]
    The tourists were travelling in four vehicles that entered a restricted zone
    [...]
    Ten Mexicans and Egyptians were also injured and are being treated in a local hospital.
    [...]


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    Odd that their drivers would take them there? Tour drivers would normally know where to go.
    Agree. I think the main tour guider/s chose that route for a suicide mission. We can't blame Uber on this one.
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    Guides are well aware of restricted zones in the area and know the dangers of entering them. Restricted zones are clearly marked AND are highlighted as restricted areas on a car's navigation system (in the middle east). You can also set the GPS to avoid restricted areas.
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    Egyptian officials claim the safari convoy had wandered into a restricted area. The tour company involved "did not have permits and did not inform authorities," Rasha Azazi, a spokeswoman for the Egyptian Ministry of Tourism, told The Associated Press, adding that any trips to that area must be cleared by officials. "They were not supposed to be there," she said, without providing further information about the incident.


    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ttack-33734438
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    Some of the victims are reported to be Spanish.

    The tour guides and other locals seem to be telling a completely story; that it's often just oral permission given by authorities for a tour, and that this one actually had a police escort.

    Just my opinion, but I think Egyptian authorities have made a terrible mistake here and these victims were just completely innocent tourists.

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    The tourists were reportedly en route to the El-Wahat el Bahariya oasis, which is a popular tourist destination listed on several travel sites.
    http://www.theindychannel.com/newsy/...estricted-area
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