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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysonmymind View Post
    The Texas Dept. of Public Safety does this type of forensic testing at only 4 labs...in the GIANT state of Texas.

    This shopvac was not immediately dismantled when it arrived at the lab. It was logged into evidence, assigned a priority...and sat there for most of the last year while the forensic technicians worked on other cases that came in before this case.

    I agree, it's frustrating. But, I'm glad the DA is making every effort to collect evidence to convict EA. M

    It's also not uncommon for these high profile cases to take 2 or more years to finally go to trial. If it's not the state asking for a continuance...the defense team is requesting one.

    I haven't been here lately, but still follow this case since I live in the area.

    Still hoping for a miracle but feel she's gone and EA is responsible.




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    That is why I think that the judge should not grant the delay. If it was assigned such a low priority to begin with ( for reasons stated above, it probably SHOULD have low priority), there isn't a valid reason to hold up proceedings for results.

    It probably doesn't matter to anyone except EA, and only to him if he is innocent. If prosecution has everything that they have stated before, they certainly don't need more evidence that CM was in the car. Now if it's AP or HFs hair and they say that they haven't ever been in the car, that would be different...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doj1234 View Post
    That is why I think that the judge should not grant the delay. If it was assigned such a low priority to begin with ( for reasons stated above, it probably SHOULD have low priority), there isn't a valid reason to hold up proceedings for results.

    It probably doesn't matter to anyone except EA, and only to him if he is innocent. If prosecution has everything that they have stated before, they certainly don't need more evidence that CM was in the car. Now if it's AP or HFs hair and they say that they haven't ever been in the car, that would be different...
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    Yeah, now that would be crazy....
    I guess we just have to wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doj1234 View Post
    ...there isn't a valid reason to hold up proceedings for results.
    I certainly disagree with this thinking.

    A trial is not a game to be won, but rather a quest for justice and truth for victims and accused.

    Ultimately the ability to have the results of evidence-testing offers more light to be shed on the case, and a quest for justice and truth would not be enhanced by saying, "Sorry, we'll never know legally if that evidence mattered or not, because in April we decided to start the trial on Nov 30 no matter what, justice be damned!"

    Is that a bit melodramatic? Perhaps. But on the other hand, there are 4 factors at play here that make this much ado about nothing:
    1 Nov 30 was just a date that was arbitrarily picked in the 1st place, by all 3 parties (the court, the DA, the defense) because it gave everyone time to make sure they have cleared calendars and about 6 months to work their pre-trial process.
    2 There is nothing sacred about starting the trial in 6 months-ish on Nov 30, that gets lost by starting it in 6.5 or 7 months instead.
    3 The schedule adjustment is being requested and made several months in advance. If we were on the eve of trial and then one side or the other asked for a delay of several months, that would be different. But this feels like a delay where one party has an issue, and is working with the others to keep them in the loop as to the ramifications, and that's how the courts are supposed to work.
    4 While it's not something most of us deal with on a regular basis, this is simply life in the courts. They recognize that while they want to prevent foot-dragging, time factors have to be allowed in considerations of justice. There are other cases to be tried, other evidence in the queue at state testing labs, and everyone has lots of tasks on their plate. Sometimes you have to adjust, and they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveS View Post
    I certainly disagree with this thinking.

    A trial is not a game to be won, but rather a quest for justice and truth for victims and accused.

    Ultimately the ability to have the results of evidence-testing offers more light to be shed on the case, and a quest for justice and truth would not be enhanced by saying, "Sorry, we'll never know legally if that evidence mattered or not, because in April we decided to start the trial on Nov 30 no matter what, justice be damned!"

    Is that a bit melodramatic? Perhaps. But on the other hand, there are 4 factors at play here that make this much ado about nothing:
    1 Nov 30 was just a date that was arbitrarily picked in the 1st place, by all 3 parties (the court, the DA, the defense) because it gave everyone time to make sure they have cleared calendars and about 6 months to work their pre-trial process.
    2 There is nothing sacred about starting the trial in 6 months-ish on Nov 30, that gets lost by starting it in 6.5 or 7 months instead.
    3 The schedule adjustment is being requested and made several months in advance. If we were on the eve of trial and then one side or the other asked for a delay of several months, that would be different. But this feels like a delay where one party has an issue, and is working with the others to keep them in the loop as to the ramifications, and that's how the courts are supposed to work.
    4 While it's not something most of us deal with on a regular basis, this is simply life in the courts. They recognize that while they want to prevent foot-dragging, time factors have to be allowed in considerations of justice. There are other cases to be tried, other evidence in the queue at state testing labs, and everyone has lots of tasks on their plate. Sometimes you have to adjust, and they do.
    Obviously it was low priority to begin with. LE could also wait until next March to decide to test his toothbrush at home for DNA. But, that probably wouldn't tell them anything so I doubt that they pursue THAT justice and truth. The point is there is little to gain by the testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doj1234 View Post
    1Obviously it was low priority to begin with. LE could also wait until next March to decide to test his toothbrush at home for DNA. But, that probably wouldn't tell them anything so I doubt that they pursue THAT justice and truth. 2 The point is there is little to gain by the testing.
    "1 Obviously it was low priority to begin with."

    Nah, it was a case of "being stuck in a long line" to begin with. And each case gets in at the back of the line, because all the other tests already in line are attached to trials with specified dates as well, each of which is just as important to someone as this case is to us and those involved personally. As much as we focus on the EA trial here, it is not The Case Ahead of All Other Cases in the courts, in life, in the real world, and it doesn't get treated as such.

    That's a large part of what this pre-trial was all about, set about halfway to trial. It's to see how the parties are coming in the prep, and if there are any issues that necessitate a delay. As it turned out, they had one with the testing schedule, so are looking closer to see if an adjustment will need to be made - and if they have to modify the start date by a bit, it's not the biggie people are imagining. It's all just part of the process.

    "2 The point is there is little to gain by the testing."

    That may be YOUR belief, but I certainly disagree. I think the testing is incredibly relevant, because ya don't know what you don't know. Sure it MIGHT be nothing - but it also might be key to the cause of justice.

    And deciding in advance whether WE (the bystanders) care about finding out about certain evidence is not how our justice system determines things. A trial is the venue in which the parties to the case argue about the relative importance, and THE JURY decides what's important and what isn't.

    When all is said and done, this may turn out to be key evidence - or, not. But unless it's tested, we can never know, and months prior to trial, imo no court is going to take actions that preclude the ability to properly examine evidence by getting necessary tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zippixx View Post
    It's somewhat unclear to me what the true significance of the "found hairs" might be. No matter where the hairs originated from, they could be "transfer" hair, from anyone CM or EA was in contact with, or anyone that rode in his car & could be viewed as just that, by either the prosecution or defense. Maybe LE wants to slam EA & his defense with some more type of evidence, in hopes of a confession...? Or else, they just want every bit of evidence possibly obtainable, to leave the jury with no doubt.. Or maybe as another poster stated, they want the SA case to come first.. dunno...

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    I believe you're right on with this.It seems like they have what they need to convict EA but the more evidence the better. If the defense should find a way to disprove some of the evidence, the DA will still have more in their bag of tricks.

    But for the life of me I can't understand why that vac hasn't been tested already. In the beginning when the evidence began to stack up the shop vac was right up there in importance (at least for me).
    EA was the last one seen with CM, he was late for work the next day, he was seen wiping something off the trunk of his car while pumping gas, Christina's DNA was found in the trunk, he was seen using the shop vac to clean his car on Sat and LE pulled trash twice and found cleaning supplies. Even a rookie cop should have known to check that vac for evidence. I hope this hiccup isn't going to be SOP for this case when it does get to trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetgrits View Post
    I believe you're right on with this.It seems like they have what they need to convict EA but the more evidence the better. If the defense should find a way to disprove some of the evidence, the DA will still have more in their bag of tricks.

    But for the life of me I can't understand why that vac hasn't been tested already. In the beginning when the evidence began to stack up the shop vac was right up there in importance (at least for me).
    EA was the last one seen with CM, he was late for work the next day, he was seen wiping something off the trunk of his car while pumping gas, Christina's DNA was found in the trunk, he was seen using the shop vac to clean his car on Sat and LE pulled trash twice and found cleaning supplies. Even a rookie cop should have known to check that vac for evidence. I hope this hiccup isn't going to be SOP for this case when it does get to trial.

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    I agree. I mean, I'm no cop, but I would've thought they would have really checked out the contents of the vacuum long ago. It could have contained fibers from what she was supposed to be wearing, fibers or hair with dried blood or "other DNA" on them, some plant or seed that would lead them to a certain area... the list goes on and on. All those possibilities seem like good enough reason to have checked out the contents of the vacuum and alerted LE to what it contained.

    Who knows? Maybe they did and knew that there were hairs... but come on, what vacuum isn't going to suck up a hair? And one from a retail store should definitely have plenty.

    So yeah, who knows what the real story is with the vacuum and the investigating of the contents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysonmymind View Post
    The Texas Dept. of Public Safety does this type of forensic testing at only 4 labs...in the GIANT state of Texas.

    This shopvac was not immediately dismantled when it arrived at the lab. It was logged into evidence, assigned a priority...and sat there for most of the last year while the forensic technicians worked on other cases that came in before this case.

    I agree, it's frustrating. But, I'm glad the DA is making every effort to collect evidence to convict EA. M

    It's also not uncommon for these high profile cases to take 2 or more years to finally go to trial. If it's not the state asking for a continuance...the defense team is requesting one.

    I haven't been here lately, but still follow this case since I live in the area.

    Still hoping for a miracle but feel she's gone and EA is responsible.




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    Good information, thanks! I had no idea there was such a backlog and so few testing facilities.. I'm curious if all the other evidence has been gone through & analyzed (all the stuff from his residence & the car).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieM View Post
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    I agree. I mean, I'm no cop, but I would've thought they would have really checked out the contents of the vacuum long ago. It could have contained fibers from what she was supposed to be wearing, fibers or hair with dried blood or "other DNA" on them, some plant or seed that would lead them to a certain area... the list goes on and on. All those possibilities seem like good enough reason to have checked out the contents of the vacuum and alerted LE to what it contained.

    Who knows? Maybe they did and knew that there were hairs... but come on, what vacuum isn't going to suck up a hair? And one from a retail store should definitely have plenty.

    So yeah, who knows what the real story is with the vacuum and the investigating of the contents.
    I know it could be iffy to find only Christina's hair but there could have potentially other evidence. They could have found broken fingernails, jewelry or parts of her clothing like buttons. I know I should let this go but to me, it's beyond crazy.

    I so wish Christina would be found. It's time, her poor family has suffered enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetgrits View Post
    I know it could be iffy to find only Christina's hair but there could have potentially other evidence. They could have found broken fingernails, jewelry or parts of her clothing like buttons. I know I should let this go but to me, it's beyond crazy.

    I so wish Christina would be found. It's time, her poor family has suffered enough.
    Oh I totally agree!! That's what I am saying. The vacuum could have contained a treasure trove of evidence -- which is why I think it should have been processed earlier. The thing is, we are not hearing about anything other than hairs needing to be tested for DNA. Of course, this doesn't mean there are not other things, but you know, we just discuss what's put out there. So for now it's the hair found in a vacuum that we've heard that he used a year ago.


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    If you guys get a chance, you haaaave to watch this episode of Forensic Files. It is so very, very similar to Christina's case in so many ways imo!


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    If you guys get a chance, you haaaave to watch this episode of Forensic Files. It is so very, very similar to Christina's case in so many ways imo!

    Oooh is this the one about the girl who went to the casino and sat next to a guy, then left with him? I'm about to watch.

    Edit: yes! I watched this on Netflix last month. So interesting. 👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmybecsloveme View Post
    Oooh is this the one about the girl who went to the casino and sat next to a guy, then left with him? I'm about to watch.

    Edit: yes! I watched this on Netflix last month. So interesting. ��
    Just watched it... interesting & similar to this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    If you guys get a chance, you haaaave to watch this episode of Forensic Files. It is so very, very similar to Christina's case in so many ways imo!

    We discussed this case early on in the first few months. I don't remember who brought it up. I also mentioned the Lynsie Ekelund case from Dateline. (It was on YouTube, but I can't find it now.) Lynsie had been out with someone who claimed to have dropped her off down the block from her house. It turned out he was one who killed her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippixx View Post
    Just watched it... interesting & similar to this case.
    I remember this case well as it happened near my small hometown. When you posted this I remembered that the man who was ultimately accused in this case, actually gave an interview with 48 hours prior. Link below. Remind you of another interview?



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