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    Legal Questions for our VERIFIED Lawyers - Q & A ONLY ***No Discussion***

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    I have a question!
    It might be a stupid question and not just related to this crime but to most cases I have read here.

    Why do all these ppl that commit these crimes plead NOT GUILTY!

    Whats the point?

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    What is the point of fighting extradition? Is extradition between states ever denied?

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    A little background to bring you in the loop -

    Two men, both residents of Missouri, have been arrested and both are charged with 2nd degree murder for the death of Florida doctor Teresa. Sievers. Both are still being held in MO. Jimmy Rodgers (JR) won't be extradited until he finishes serving time in MO for a probation violation. The other one, Charles Wayne Wright (CWW), originally was held pending a hearing on his motion for bond. That hearing was last week and they withdrew their motion for bond. He is still fighting extradition. That hearing is scheduled for Sept. 30th. However, the deadline for him to file his petition is Sept. 25th. While being held, we were made aware that CWW is also a suspect in an 19 yr. old MO case of missing Ronnie Bolin. While in custody, the lead detective in that case approached CWW last week and said

    “He was a person of interest back when they first started investigating the case, and he’s still a person of interest now,” said Lt. Doc Coombs of the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office in Hillsboro, Missouri.

    Coombs said he spoke with Wright on Wednesday from the county jail where he is being held.

    “I just said, ‘If you decide you would like to speak with me about Mr. Bolin’s demise, you can get in touch with me,’ and I left it at that,” Coombs said. “I didn’t anticipate that he was going to talk to me, but I wanted to let him know we were still investigating the case.”
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    Note: Both Governors have signed orders of extradition.

    How do negotiations work between LE in different states? IOW, can CWW agree to plead guilty to the Bolin case in order to either: 1) avoid immediate extradition to Florida to face charges in Dr. Sievers' case; and/or 2) negotiate a better deal with LE in Florida because the Murder 2 charge is likely to be upped to Murder 1. In other words, "take the DP off the table and I'll tell what I know"

    And thirdly, should CWW confess to the Bolin case, would the MO governor rescind his Order extraditing him to Florida?

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    Will the sunshine state public disclosure be in affect immediately- 9/30/15?
    Is CWW's lawyer privately selected or court appointed?
    Will this attorney still be representing him in FL?
    Basic questions but a place to start-


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    Sheriff Scott said information (but not all) will be disclosed? I figure some information needs to be kept private BUT where is line drawn in the sand on these decisions???


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen730 View Post
    I have a question!
    It might be a stupid question and not just related to this crime but to most cases I have read here.

    Why do all these ppl that commit these crimes plead NOT GUILTY!

    Whats the point?
    To get leverage for a plea deal and/or to delay the ultimate sentence. And remember, it's perfectly possible to be found "not guilty" as a legal matter even if you committed the crime. Perhaps there isn't enough evidence, or the evidence isn't admissible, or the statute of limitations has passed...etc. etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyle_E_Coyote View Post
    What is the point of fighting extradition? Is extradition between states ever denied?

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    If two states both have a reason to want to prosecute someone, an extradition request could be denied by one state. Also, if there is some flaw in the extradition request/paperwork, the request might be denied.

    Quote Originally Posted by beach View Post
    A little background to bring you in the loop -

    Two men, both residents of Missouri, have been arrested and both are charged with 2nd degree murder for the death of Florida doctor Teresa. Sievers. Both are still being held in MO. Jimmy Rodgers (JR) won't be extradited until he finishes serving time in MO for a probation violation. The other one, Charles Wayne Wright (CWW), originally was held pending a hearing on his motion for bond. That hearing was last week and they withdrew their motion for bond. He is still fighting extradition. That hearing is scheduled for Sept. 30th. However, the deadline for him to file his petition is Sept. 25th. While being held, we were made aware that CWW is also a suspect in an 19 yr. old MO case of missing Ronnie Bolin. While in custody, the lead detective in that case approached CWW last week and said

    LINK

    Note: Both Governors have signed orders of extradition.

    How do negotiations work between LE in different states? IOW, can CWW agree to plead guilty to the Bolin case in order to either: 1) avoid immediate extradition to Florida to face charges in Dr. Sievers' case; and/or 2) negotiate a better deal with LE in Florida because the Murder 2 charge is likely to be upped to Murder 1. In other words, "take the DP off the table and I'll tell what I know"

    And thirdly, should CWW confess to the Bolin case, would the MO governor rescind his Order extraditing him to Florida?
    Extradition is governed by the US Constitution, federal law, and state law. So it is not just a matter of negotiation. However, negotiation often takes place when two states have equally compelling desires to prosecute someone. This type of negotiation usually takes place between the two states (not LE, but the governors' offices), but certainly the defendant could make offers that might influence the negotiations one way or another.

    Quote Originally Posted by observation View Post
    Will the sunshine state public disclosure be in effect immediately- 9/30/15?
    Is CWW's lawyer privately selected or court appointed?
    Will this attorney still be representing him in FL?
    Basic questions but a place to start-


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    IIRC from the Casey Anthony case, there is an exception to the disclosure laws if the information to be disclosed would compromise an ongoing investigation. I'm not up on the details of this case yet, but I bet they have a lot of info that they need to keep quiet for a while still.

    If CWW has a lawyer in Missouri, there is no way to know whether he was privately selected or court-appointed unless we have access to the court docket and/or orders. But if he was living in a trailer park, I would bet a lot of money that the lawyer is court-appointed.

    The lawyer can't represent him in FL unless he's admitted in both states. There's a procedure to be admitted "pro hac vice"--for a limited purpose--but there are plenty of criminal defense attorneys in Florida and I don't see why the Missouri lawyer would have any special knowledge or reason to want to stay on for the FL case. If he's being paid big bucks by someone, of course, he would probably want to stay on if he could.

    Quote Originally Posted by observation View Post
    Sheriff Scott said information (but not all) will be disclosed? I figure some information needs to be kept private BUT where is line drawn in the sand on these decisions???


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    See above re: information that could derail the investigation.

    "It would seem to me that June 16, 2008 was the last time that the victim was viewed by her grandparents. It became quite evident that from the OS of the Defense that the 16th was a date of great importance and that a so called time line of activities dealing with CA, LA, GA and ICA on the 16th and what, if any, activities took place on the 15th, 16th and 17th of June on 24 hour cycles would have been, at least, of a minimal requirement of review. I take it at some point you had a computer expert look at that data?" HHJP, 6/21/11
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...139910&page=94

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    Wow- AZ, seems we always have questions regarding the legal process, now it looks like we are all a bit stumped (or maybe I speak for myself). Anyway, generally speaking... What should we expect next?
    Could it feasibly be another year before this goes to trial? Just time frames and next steps in the process would be very helpful as we all watch the sun shine on these documents.
    Thanks again!!


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    If CWW negotiated a plea deal with Missouri on a cold case (Ronnie Bolin disappearance, and possible murder, for example), could the results of the Missouri prosecution and sentencing keep him in Missouri, so that CWW could avoid being sent to Florida for the murder charge against Teresa Sievers, at least for a period of time? If CWW was sentenced to 20 years prison in Missouri for the RB case, would the Florida prosecution be delayed for 20 years? Or would Florida proceed with prosecuting CWW, transport CWW for trial, and then his Florida sentence (if found guilty) would be served after he completed his Missouri sentence? Do states cooperate with each other for the purpose of proceeding with all prosecutions by transporting prisoners to other states?

    ETA: Also, if CWW received a lengthy Missouri prison sentence, could he refuse to be transported to Florida, whereby Florida could prosecute CWW in his absence?
    Last edited by SeesSeas; 09-21-2015 at 10:27 PM. Reason: ETA

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    Legal Questions for our VERIFIED Lawyers - Q & A ONLY ***No Discussion***

    Also once JRR completes his sentence in MO- how soon might we see him in FL? Is there any reason to believe he will come to FL anytime sooner based on the proceedings with CWW- OR are they completely separate despite the alleged connection for the same crime in FL?


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    Last edited by KateB; 09-21-2015 at 10:50 PM. Reason: corrected RR to JRR.


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    JR is being held on federal charges. Could he be transferred to a federal prison in Florida so that the murder charges can go forward?

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    Question regarding FL SUNSHINE LAW/ accessing documents

    Greetings,

    thank you for being here! I am planning on going to Fort Myers (LCSO, Clerk of courts) and accessing the documents, which will be available due to the Florida Sunshine Law.

    I was told, that as soon as there is a case number assigned, I can go to the county clerk of court and get my copies. Is that correct and does the case cover all documents or what else can I be looking and asking for?

    Do I also go directly to the Lee County Sheriff's office for additional files, or do I risk being a nuisance..;--)

    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by observation View Post
    Wow- AZ, seems we always have questions regarding the legal process, now it looks like we are all a bit stumped (or maybe I speak for myself). Anyway, generally speaking... What should we expect next?
    Could it feasibly be another year before this goes to trial? Just time frames and next steps in the process would be very helpful as we all watch the sun shine on these documents.
    Thanks again!!


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    It could definitely be a year or longer, unless the defendants insist upon their "speedy trial" rights (which they almost never do in major felony cases). I would think the next step would be a grand jury indictment for first-degree murder. If the case is selected as a potential death penalty case, it will take a lot longer to get to trial, because of the built-in due process protections in those cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeesSeas View Post
    If CWW negotiated a plea deal with Missouri on a cold case (Ronnie Bolin disappearance, and possible murder, for example), could the results of the Missouri prosecution and sentencing keep him in Missouri, so that CWW could avoid being sent to Florida for the murder charge against Teresa Sievers, at least for a period of time? If CWW was sentenced to 20 years prison in Missouri for the RB case, would the Florida prosecution be delayed for 20 years? Or would Florida proceed with prosecuting CWW, transport CWW for trial, and then his Florida sentence (if found guilty) would be served after he completed his Missouri sentence? Do states cooperate with each other for the purpose of proceeding with all prosecutions by transporting prisoners to other states?

    ETA: Also, if CWW received a lengthy Missouri prison sentence, could he refuse to be transported to Florida, whereby Florida could prosecute CWW in his absence?
    Most likely, in the situation you describe, CWW would be temporarily transferred to a Florida prison for prosecution of the Florida case, but his Florida sentence wouldn't be served until his Missouri sentence was completed.

    Quote Originally Posted by observation View Post
    Also once JRR completes his sentence in MO- how soon might we see him in FL? Is there any reason to believe he will come to FL anytime sooner based on the proceedings with CWW- OR are they completely separate despite the alleged connection for the same crime in FL?


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    Again, he might be transferred to a Florida prison for trial. I would imagine these guys would be tried together, although either one might file a motion to separate the cases on the ground that he would be prejudiced by association with the other case for one reason or another.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohreally View Post
    JR is being held on federal charges. Could he be transferred to a federal prison in Florida so that the murder charges can go forward?
    Yes, but he could be transferred to a state prison too. It's all just a matter of cooperation between the state governments.

    Quote Originally Posted by No it's not View Post
    Greetings,

    thank you for being here! I am planning on going to Fort Myers (LCSO, Clerk of courts) and accessing the documents, which will be available due to the Florida Sunshine Law.

    I was told, that as soon as there is a case number assigned, I can go to the county clerk of court and get my copies. Is that correct and does the case cover all documents or what else can I be looking and asking for?

    Do I also go directly to the Lee County Sheriff's office for additional files, or do I risk being a nuisance..;--)

    Thank you!

    -Nin
    The court documents should be easily available, but there won't be much to see. If there were any search warrants, the returns on those could be of interest, though. Just saying you want everything filed in that case should get you everything. You might want to specifically ask whether anything has been sealed and, if so, ask for the list of sealed items.

    Other evidence and investigative documents would be at the Sheriff's Office. You would probably need to file a written request for those, although even email should work. They should have info on their website about who handles those requests. Some things (probably the most interesting things) won't be released if they're still looking into the possibility of the husband's involvement.

    "It would seem to me that June 16, 2008 was the last time that the victim was viewed by her grandparents. It became quite evident that from the OS of the Defense that the 16th was a date of great importance and that a so called time line of activities dealing with CA, LA, GA and ICA on the 16th and what, if any, activities took place on the 15th, 16th and 17th of June on 24 hour cycles would have been, at least, of a minimal requirement of review. I take it at some point you had a computer expert look at that data?" HHJP, 6/21/11
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...139910&page=94

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    Can you think of any strategically legal reason the 911 call would be held back? Have you ever seen a case in which it was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noel leon View Post
    Can you think of any strategically legal reason the 911 call would be held back? Have you ever seen a case in which it was?
    Yes. One example would be if the 911 caller says something that LE is currently (1) concealing from a suspect or (2) waiting to see if the suspect reveals on his own (showing knowledge of crime details he shouldn't have). Or the 911 caller might have said something that is a lead still being followed up by LE.

    "It would seem to me that June 16, 2008 was the last time that the victim was viewed by her grandparents. It became quite evident that from the OS of the Defense that the 16th was a date of great importance and that a so called time line of activities dealing with CA, LA, GA and ICA on the 16th and what, if any, activities took place on the 15th, 16th and 17th of June on 24 hour cycles would have been, at least, of a minimal requirement of review. I take it at some point you had a computer expert look at that data?" HHJP, 6/21/11
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...139910&page=94

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