10-14-2015, 03:30 AM #1
Australia defends plan to kill 2 million cats in face of Bardot, Morrissey protest
Australia has defended its plan to cull 2 million cats after Brigitte Bardot and singer Morrissey spoke out against the killings and compared them to the death of Cecil the lion.
Threatened Species Commissioner Gregory Andrews wrote an open letter to them, explaining that the feral domestic cats are threatening the existence of Australia's unique wildlife.
"Our native species are simply not equipped to coexist with feral cats; they did not evolve alongside predators like the feral cat," he wrote in his open letter.
He said the plan, which will see two million cats killed over the next five years, has the support of major environmental organisations.
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10-14-2015, 03:36 AM #2
I love both Bardot and Morrissey, but I much prefer our Koalas and other native animals, I'm all for this culling .. if people don't want to see cats culled, they should enforce neutering for most private sales, and otherwise keep all domestic cats indoors, especially at night time.
Cats are killers, the number of dead bandicoots, water dragons, native birds, etc killed by cats in most parts of Australia is devastating.
For the record, Mrs Norris (as seen in this pic) has never been outdoors more than a few feet, she prefers to watch birds from the safety of the window sill. Sometimes she goes onto the door mat before becoming nervous and rushing back indoors. I think that is actually for the best, you can always build a cat run if you want to let your moggie venture outdoors and at the same time protect the local wildlife.Neither the state nor the defense team are saints, and there is usually plenty of incompetence to go around on both sides of the courtroom.
10-16-2015, 07:32 PM #3Registered User
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We rescued a morning dove with one wing injured at our front door early last year. It was kept inside to heal then in time was put on the patio to live in the garden. The bird tried using that wing by stretching it and doing small flights in attempts to return to its life. One day he was gone from the patio and we thought he finally healed enough to fly away. Later that day a neighbor showed up with our bird injured in a box. Some kids had found him hopping around outside, took a bat to him smacking the bird into some trees. This is where my neighbor rescued him. My husband had looked for the bird that day before work and had just told me about it after coming home and shortly before the neighbor showed up. Needless to say, the bird died the following morning back at our house.
I can state for a fact that cats didn't kill this bird...humans did.
Over the years I have learned dogs kill, birds kill, fish kill, lions kill, bears kill and of course, man kills. This is only a tiny list of ALL of the killers that live on this planet. So when we start culling all the other killers on this planet then we can talk about the cats.
It's interesting that a cat requires nourishment from food to survive so they seek out their meal. They even drink water. That seems so close to what humans do...we get hungry, we seek out food and water when thirsty. I don't know, perhaps people who are hunters should be culled...they are killing wildlife after all. You know...deer, ducks, birds...
Culling is simply a masked word for what it really means - killing. Perhaps saying culling allows one to sleep better at night because they didn't really kill the cat. It was culled. I will never understand this line of thinking because there are other solutions to this problem. Funny what we will nod our heads at to be killed while shaking our heads no at other killings. The 2 million cats figure is laughable, who counted all these cats or is this just another imaginary figure being tossed out to the public to help justify this so-called mass killing of cats.
If these feral cats aren't even reproducing this is even sadder because they aren't adding to the population of cats. There are services that will capture a wild cat, remove the reproductive organs for free, and clip one ear as a mark then return them to the wild. Any wild cat seen with a clipped ear is left alone because it signifies this cat cannot reproduce and will be not captured by animal control. We did that for a wild cat that was hungry and came to our door looking for food. She had 3 kittens we discovered and was pregnant again. After she kicked the kittens out (we took in those 3 kittens) the mother cat was captured, fixed, ear clipped and returned back to our area. She lives happily outside and the neighborhood has one less cat producing litters. When I see articles like this I get very passionate about it because there is already too much animal abuse in the world and I view this as abuse to cats.
There are other solutions to the problem without mass killing.
I certainly can think of other problems Australia has and it's doesn't involve cats.
10-17-2015, 08:15 AM #4
Of course the feral cats are reproducing. And even if 2 million of them are desexed they'll still all be killing the native animals.
10-17-2015, 09:31 AM #5
I love cats, but we need to kill a whole lot of feral cats in Australia to save our own wildlife, just like we need to kill a whole lot of bunny rabbits, cane toads and wild boar.Neither the state nor the defense team are saints, and there is usually plenty of incompetence to go around on both sides of the courtroom.
10-18-2015, 06:57 AM #6
My son just told me tonight that there are not enough bullets in the world to kill all the cane toads in Qld. Literally.
After the success of the pest eradication program on Macquarie Island they're looking at doing the same on Lord Howe. Very controversial there, but I'm all for it. If only they could do the same for the toads.
10-18-2015, 08:53 AM #7
I'm okay with it if the cats can be killed humanely. The alternative is watching more native species go extinct. Catching, desexing, and releasing them is arguably more cruel than humanely killing them. My cat is also indoors, but mainly so he doesn't go under a car in the inner suburbs of Melbourne. It's time consuming, I play with him a lot everyday to entertain him. His food is mostly kangaroo, which have been culled. I don't eat meat, but he eats enough for two people. He's a product of someone else's failure to desex their cat. Sometimes I ponder the pointless of it all and end up in a mini existential crisis, lol. Anyway, Bardot and Morrisey would be better off protesting against live animal exports - now that's disgusting and cruel!
10-18-2015, 04:12 PM #8
Coincidentally I found this. It has some good information, especially the numbers. Feral cats in Australia eat 50-75 animals each, every night. That's enormous.
A warning though, it has a very gruesome picture of a dead cat so don't click if you don't want to see it.
10-19-2015, 12:03 AM #9Registered User
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So if Australians let their pet cats out, how is anybody going to ensure they kill feral cats and not pet cats? Especially since one of the proposed methods is poison.Just my opinion
10-19-2015, 12:24 AM #10
They won't be killing them in the burbs, this program will take place in rural areas. Any cat that far away from home is most likely feral, some farmers keep feral cats around to keep the mice down so I assume some of these may get caught up in the cull, but that's probably not such a bad thing.Neither the state nor the defense team are saints, and there is usually plenty of incompetence to go around on both sides of the courtroom.
10-19-2015, 08:45 AM #11
It sounds like feral cats are a real problem in Australia, but there's a big difference between 5 and 50, and that kind of overstatement of the problem tends to make people skeptical of other claims as well.JMO. MOO.
10-19-2015, 08:46 AM #12
10-19-2015, 01:44 PM #13
Here is MP Greg Hunt's announcement:
.. and details in regards to the culling of cats:
If you read through that you can see the programs focus on National Parks, and other remote areas.
At the bottom of the page are two PDF's responding to Morrissey and Brigid Bardot.
10-19-2015, 02:00 PM #14
I just wanted to add that there aren't even farms in our national parks, so those cats kept by farmers to keep down mice wont even get caught up. I must say though, that is part of the problem, as those cats breed too and add to the overall feral cat population.
10-20-2015, 03:35 AM #15
It is up to 30 animals in total per cat per day, but that includes 5 NATIVE animals per day.
Katherine Moseby, an ecologist at the University of Adelaide, says feral cats are one of the main factors stopping native species from flourishing.
“One of the main causes of re-introduction failure in Australia is feral cats,” she says. “They’re preventing us from re-establishing species. It’s having a huge impact.”
Moseby also says those who oppose the cat cull don’t fully understand the unique issues facing Australia.
“These are not cats that have been dumped by their owners. They don’t live near garbage bins in the inner-city. 90% of Australia is rural and remote so we have large tracts of land where humans simply don’t go. It’s really not practicle or possible to lay traps or neuter cats in these areas. I don’t think people understand the extent of the feral cat problem here.”
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