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    NJ - One mummified & one living newborn found in air shaft, 13 Sept 2005

    The mummified corpse of a newborn baby girl found at the bottom of an apartment building air shaft was thrown there at least a year ago by 18-year-old Lucila Ventura, investigators said yesterday.

    Ventura already faces a charge of attempted murder for allegedly throwing her newborn son down the same three-story air shaft, minutes after delivering him about 7 a.m. Tuesday. That newborn was rescued by police after residents reported hearing a baby's cries echoing through the building.

    "We have evidence that she is the mother of the mummified corpse," Hudson County First Assistant Prosecutor Guy Gregory said. "The manner of death is homicide."
    http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/inde...880.xml&coll=3
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    I'd like to see someone throw this chick out the window and into a shaft too - and then let her A$$ rot injail... There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for this...

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    Discovery of baby's remains uncovers tragic tale of child abuse

    When her newborn was first discovered at the bottom of an air shaft earlier this week, the baby's teenage mother was accused of trying to murder the child.

    But after the decaying body of a second infant was found in the same place, authorities trying to unravel the gruesome story say it took an even more tragic turn: The teen's father on Friday was accused of fathering both of the babies.

    Prosecutors said when they first interviewed the young mother, she told them the infants were fathered by different men. A second round of interviews Thursday uncovered a different story: The girl said her own father was actually the father of both children.

    Hudson County First Assistant Prosecutor Gaetano T. Gregory said investigators must wait for DNA tests before making a final determination about the baby's paternity, but they believe he is the father.

    The Associated Press is withholding the identities of both the girl and her father because she is an alleged victim of a sex crime.

    The father was charged with aggravated sexual assault, endangering the welfare of a child and child abuse. If convicted, he could face 10 to 20 years in prison on the most serious charge. He was being held in the Hudson County Correctional Center.
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    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


    "Just when the caterpillar thought its world was over, it became a butterfly" ~ Michelle Knight

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    And if we think for one minute that child abuse doesn't damage for generations.....we are delusional. So much that we see crime related is how people were manipulated at a younger age. Not saying that murder is ever excusable because it isn't but fog/cloud surrounding horrific abuses perpetrates this to the inth.

    I just wonder if child pyschologists shouldn't be positioned in schools from pre-K on. That in addition to the Iowa Tests (if they still use them) other tests should be administered to determine behaviors and cause so treatment and exposure to victims are learned early vs. after the fact.

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    So where did she say her first baby went? was her family not wondering where the baby was? and now a second pregnancy?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Casshew
    So where did she say her first baby went? was her family not wondering where the baby was? and now a second pregnancy?

    In an abusive family the best unsaid is what will happen. Ignore it and it will go away.

    I remember a fairly recent case in Texas where one bother killed another and the family knew about it. Instead of cooperating with police they said it was between family and they would handle it themselves. Just to show the mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casshew
    So where did she say her first baby went? was her family not wondering where the baby was? and now a second pregnancy?

    It was only when people heard the second child crying and called police, during the rescue they found the body of the first child.
    According to the first article, the family stated they didn't know she was pregnant.
    Then low and behold- the girls 'Daddy" turns out to be the possible father of both children.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


    "Just when the caterpillar thought its world was over, it became a butterfly" ~ Michelle Knight

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    The police have arrest her father!

    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...cal&id=3449606

    Police have arrested the father of the 18-year-old accused of throwing her two newborns down an airshaft and charged him with aggravated rape.

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    http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/inde...610.xml&coll=3

    Neighbors and classmates of Lucila Ventura called the arrest of Jose Julio Ventura sad and tragic - but said they weren't entirely surprised.

    Jose Ventura was arrested on charges of sexually abusing his daughter.

    Tenants in Lucila Ventura's West New York apartment building immediately assumed incest when they heard she had given birth to two babies.

    "She was always with the parents," said Maria Ortiz, a tenant on the fourth floor. "That girl was never seen with nobody. She was always home."

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    http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/inde...610.xml&coll=3

    Both father and daughter were arraigned yesterday in the gruesome and chilling story of alleged incest, shame and murder in West New York.
    Jose Julio Ventura, 44, was arrested Thursday and identified as the father of the two babies his daughter, Lucila Ventura, bore and then allegedly threw out the bathroom window of their apartment on 64th Street.

    Lucila Ventura's lawyer, Anthony Fusco, has said that his client will plead not guilty on all counts and that Lucila is just as much a victim as she is a defendant in the murder case.

    Fusco said it is possible she will plead not guilty by reason of insanity.

    Both father and daughter are citizens of El Salvador and legal resident aliens in the United States. If both are found guilty, they could serve their jail time here and then be deported to El Salvador.



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    What I'd like to know is where the hell the mother/wife has been these past 2 years.

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    Mario Reyes, a senior at the high school, said Ventura was able to hide her pregnancy because she was a heavy girl who wore loose-fitting clothes.

    Other students described Ventura as a shy, quiet girl with strict parents. They said she seldom went out after school, and was rarely seen outside without a relative.
    http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/inde...880.xml&coll=3
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


    "Just when the caterpillar thought its world was over, it became a butterfly" ~ Michelle Knight

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    I just found this 091405 article, Mom's statement

    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


    "Just when the caterpillar thought its world was over, it became a butterfly" ~ Michelle Knight

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    Sorry, but the mother is blind, or lying out of both sides of her mouth.

    How can you miss your daughter, who lives with you, going thru two different pregnancies - expecially when your own husband is the father??

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    http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...d=523586&rfi=6

    The newborn baby boy remains at Jersey City Medical Center, where he is in good condition, although he did suffer a linear fracture to the skull.
    I sure hope this poor baby goes to a nice family, and not back to the Ventura's!

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