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    Quote Originally Posted by nmogren View Post
    Dr did not report this information to police. He in fact did not recover this memory until he was under hypnosis later.


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    Probably half asleep I would imagine.

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    The second location that Sigrun pointed out looks similar to the video. I haven't been able to use the ground view on google maps for the third location that Sigrun gave. So I couldn't see what it looked like when you actually drove on the road. That looks like like it might be also be similar. I did a screen grab of the video. I'll try and clean it up in Photoshop. Might be able to see something I didn't at first.

    45.463478, -94.504091 -second location link
    45.469973, -94.478737 -third link. Very isolated. Gravel pit of some sort.


    Video link.

    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/0...tterling-case/

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmogren View Post
    Dr did not report this information to police. He in fact did not recover this memory until he was under hypnosis later.
    I'm unclear as to when the police heard that Dan had seen a small blue car that night. The memory of a passenger (child or woman) in the passenger seat is what was uncovered via hypnosis, but Dan told a St. Cloud newspaper reporter the day after the abduction about both cars that he had seen, according to his story on Joy's blog. But do we know if he told the deputy that night?

    If not, or if Dan did tell him but the info wasn't quickly disseminated, it's possible that DJH could have gotten away with driving out away from the area, not near the site of Jared's assault at all, maybe in a state of panic since his scanner would enable him to hear what was going on near the farm. He was unemployed at the time (I believe), living with his mother who records show had just remarried in May of 1989 (so I'm not sure if she was actually physically living with him)...if no one is keeping tabs on him, what's to stop him from being gone for hours, especially if nobody is actively looking for a small blue car? JMO but he could have gotten on the freeway and driven in any direction for hours before heading back home.
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    djh did something idk what ,but wasn't the suspects in all the sketchings older than a twenty something year old man at the time.he looks today what the sketching of 25 years ago had . .he did something but something dont add up .he would have been to young to fit the description of the people seen around when jacob was taken. the person or persons that took jacob was seen by the store clerk that night or the kids in the woods seen the person or persons responsible for taking Jacob.they or he were waiting for the chance .they had to be seen.

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    I tried to lighten up and sharpen a screen grab of that video. I'll try and post it....sorry if it doesn't work. I've never posted pics on here. There's a spot near a church that looks similar when compared to the area in the video. Coordinates for that are below.
    45.455911, -94.475739

    Video was from this link
    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/0...tterling-case/
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    There was a side-by-side comparison posted up-thread of a photo taken not too long after the sketch was made and you can see a definitely likeness. (And Heinrich does appear older than most 25 year olds today.) Plus, all the other details that are strikingly similar- I'd be shocked if Heinrich didn't at least kidnap JW.

    On a side note- with the neighbors of Heinrich saying he would often be seen having conversations with himself, etc...I am really hoping that is a long overdue conscious kicking in and I really, really hope he has a big mouth. If he did, indeed, say to neighbors that the police 'will never pin it on him', etc...that is, to me, another indicator he did it. Innocent people don't say things like that. They profess their innocence...they say "I don't know why they are looking into me.", etc... Praying they find something concrete to nail him. Praying he at least gets the max for all the child pornography he has. I hope he "brags" to a fellow prisoner (if they let him into the general population that is).

    ** This is in response to alldayworkingman's post. I don't know what's up with my computer, but I'll re-load and it won't show latest post until I post... Happened twice now..sorry!

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    One of the best posts I've seen on this JEW forum. Thank you !! I am 98% sure I have the right site now.
    All statements made by me in this venue, in the past, now and in the future, are my opinion and my opinion alone. There is no intent or design, ulterior or otherwise, in the content I provide save for the determination of a most probable narrative of events. Any other effects are purely coincidental and unintentional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodester413 View Post
    The second location that Sigrun pointed out looks similar to the video. I haven't been able to use the ground view on google maps for the third location that Sigrun gave. So I couldn't see what it looked like when you actually drove on the road. That looks like like it might be also be similar. I did a screen grab of the video. I'll try and clean it up in Photoshop. Might be able to see something I didn't at first.

    45.463478, -94.504091 -second location link
    45.469973, -94.478737 -third link. Very isolated. Gravel pit of some sort.


    Video link.

    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/0...tterling-case/
    It is 45.463478, -94.504091, second link as you said. I verified it by comparison to the video. It was also the best candidate and is the only site that fits all the reliable info we have. I verified this with the video by expecting to see a fork in the road, which I did. In the 1991 imagery you can see it. Also, in 1991 all those trees on the left were not there. The right fork goes to a farmhouse, the left fork goes into the "pines" (the woods). I suspected this is where JS was taken, and I suspect the new POI shot JEW here (jmo so far). The right fork was a mixture of gravel and dirt, the left fork was dirt. The silo is to the left of the video image but you can't see it for the trees that are there now. Here is the overview. The locator shown is a little off as they were further into the drive than this, just beyond where it forks:

    possible_JS_Assault_Site_E_Summary_Google_2014_001.jpg

    Looking at the enhanced video, I'm thinking this shot is of the drive at the highway, but now not sure if it is the Church or the property I posted.
    Last edited by Sigrun; 11-02-2015 at 09:49 PM. Reason: more info
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    Quote Originally Posted by bodester413 View Post
    I tried to lighten up and sharpen a screen grab of that video. I'll try and post it....sorry if it doesn't work. I've never posted pics on here. There's a spot near a church that looks similar when compared to the area in the video. Coordinates for that are below.
    45.455911, -94.475739

    Video was from this link
    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/0...tterling-case/
    Yes, I see what you mean. Now, compare this to the one I posted, but move the red marker out to the highway. Same view.

    This site:
    1. It is not 5 miles from Cold Spring. It isn't even 2 miles (Star Tribune)
    2. It is not anywhere near Richmond Ball park, but they supposedly stopped "shortly after that" according to the search warrant. Thus, to be here they had to go west 2 more miles, then come back toward Cold Spring another 2 miles to this location.
    3. According to news sources there was a silo. I don't see any silos anywhere around in the 1991 imagery.
    4. It is not north of Richmond, it is almost due east, about halfway between Cold Spring and Richmond

    Site I posted:
    1. 3 miles as the crow flies, 5 by road
    2. One silo as indicated
    3. One pole light, as indicated
    4. "Shortly after" the Richmond Ball park
    5. North of Richmond

    I think I see why it is confusing now. Yes, the coordinates you gave are the Church I posted and asked about earlier. Not sure what to make of this. But if shergal didn't use this video, and this is the correct site, what information did she base it on? It does not comport with any of the information in the search warrant or news sources. So, very baffling indeed.

    Observations: this site makes disposal of remains in place more likely. The site I found makes it less likely. jmo
    Last edited by Sigrun; 11-02-2015 at 09:53 PM. Reason: grammar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigrun View Post
    Yes, I see what you mean. Now, compare this to the one I posted, but move the red marker out to the highway. Same view.

    This site:
    1. It is not 5 miles from Cold Spring. It isn't even 2 miles (Star Tribune)
    2. It is not anywhere near Richmond Ball park, but they supposedly stopped "shortly after that" according to the search warrant. Thus, to be here they had to go west 2 more miles, then come back toward Cold Spring another 2 miles to this location.
    3. According to news sources there was a silo. I don't see any silos anywhere around in the 1991 imagery.
    4. It is not north of Richmond, it is almost due east, about halfway between Cold Spring and Richmond

    Site I posted:
    1. 3 miles as the crow flies, 5 by road
    2. One silo as indicated
    3. One pole light, as indicated
    4. "Shortly after" the Richmond Ball park
    5. North of Richmond

    I think I see why it is confusing now. Yes, the coordinates you gave are the Church I posted and asked about earlier. Not sure what to make of this. But if shergal didn't use this video, and this is the correct site, what information did she base it on? It does not comport with any of the information in the search warrant or news sources. So, very baffling indeed.

    Observations: this site makes disposal of remains in place more likely. The site I found makes it less likely. jmo

    Yup. It is the one you asked about. I wrote it off when I first looked at it because it didn't make sense as far as what was said in the indictment when they talked about driving there. Lots of things didn't match. Then after comparing yours to the one I tried to enhance I thought well I might as well see what the one I wrote off looks like when you're on the ground and it kinda matched too. The trees on the horizon etc...I'm not sure what Shurgal based hers on. I think I just read a snippet of someone mentioning a newer church and when I searched that church was newer. The one you posted totally reminds me of the DR farm. I mean you could park in that driveway and no one would see. For some reason it sticks out to me. How the people in the house wouldn't be able to see large areas of their property.

    edit- Totally agree with the disposal comment. When I saw what it looked like before the church was built that's the first thing that popped into my head. A lot of land with nothing on it.
    Last edited by bodester413; 11-02-2015 at 10:49 PM. Reason: more info


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigrun View Post
    It is 45.463478, -94.504091, second link as you said. I verified it by comparison to the video. It was also the best candidate and is the only site that fits all the reliable info we have. I verified this with the video by expecting to see a fork in the road, which I did. In the 1991 imagery you can see it. Also, in 1991 all those trees on the left were not there. The right fork goes to a farmhouse, the left fork goes into the "pines" (the woods). I suspected this is where JS was taken, and I suspect the new POI shot JEW here (jmo so far). The right fork was a mixture of gravel and dirt, the left fork was dirt. The silo is to the left of the video image but you can't see it for the trees that are there now. Here is the overview. The locator shown is a little off as they were further into the drive than this, just beyond where it forks:



    Looking at the enhanced video, I'm thinking this shot is of the drive at the highway, but now not sure if it is the Church or the property I posted.
    I know. They're so close when you're on street view. From the air it looks like they should be different, but turning in on street view......I don't know. Once you take into consideration the time difference in the photos/videos. Trees not having leaves in the enhanced one. Like you said below. Very baffling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodester413 View Post
    I tried to lighten up and sharpen a screen grab of that video. I'll try and post it....sorry if it doesn't work. I've never posted pics on here. There's a spot near a church that looks similar when compared to the area in the video. Coordinates for that are below.
    45.455911, -94.475739

    Video was from this link
    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/0...tterling-case/
    I've examined this in a lot more detail now. In the video you can see frame by frame on the left that there is a topographical depression and a horizon view; the road is elevated from the left. The road also has a slight turn to the left toward the end of the video. This is consistent with the property you found (with a pond beside it) and is inconsistent with the one I found. I think you found it.

    I've placed the coordinate over the wooded area where I think remains, if they exist, are most likely buried:
    45.456050, -94.476344

    And I've attached 2014 google imagery and the 1991 imagery for comparison (first two b/c it won't let me post all at once):

    most_Probable_Location_JS_Assault_Area_45.456050_NEG_94.476344_001.jpg
    Last edited by Sigrun; 11-02-2015 at 11:16 PM. Reason: corrected attachment
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    Quote Originally Posted by bodester413 View Post
    I know. They're so close when you're on street view. From the air it looks like they should be different, but turning in on street view......I don't know. Once you take into consideration the time difference in the photos/videos. Trees not having leaves in the enhanced one. Like you said below. Very baffling.
    What is really baffling to me is why all those details about the location appear to be wrong. Here is the 1991 imagery of the site you found:

    most_Probable_Location_JS_Assault_Area_45.456050_NEG_94.476344_003.png
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigrun View Post
    What is really baffling to me is why all those details about the location appear to be wrong. Here is the 1991 imagery of the site you found:

    I know. It's really weird. If someone else, and then you hadn't pointed out the church I would have never looked there..... I kept looking for all the details until finally I went back and reread one of your posts where you had one area that you thought was good but didn't match everything...and I thought....actually I think looking like this makes more sense than what I've been doing. Maybe be a little more relaxed as far as the markers that Jared mentioned.

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    You're right the road does turn slightly to the left. I didn't even notice that. The longer I looked at it the less sure I was that I wasn't just seeing things because of the blurry image. At one point I thought there was a silo on the right but it ended up being a tree or something. Finally I just thought I'll post it and see what others see and think. Even thought it doesn't match some of what we assumed was correct.

    Whoa, yes those trees....I agree with you on that too.

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