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    UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, England, 19 February 2015 - #15

    Becky Watts murder trial: Recap of Day 22 as stepbrother and his girlfriend deny murder
    9 NOVEMBER 2015

    A jury heard the last of the closing speeches for the defence in the 22nd day of the Becky Watts murder trial at Bristol Crown Court.

    The court heard from lawyers representing James Ireland and Donovan Demetrius - who both deny assisting an offender.

    Judge Mr Justice Dingemans begun his summing up and will continue his summary and directions to the jury tomorrow morning.

    Becky, 16, disappeared from her home in Bristol on February 19 sparking a huge police search which gained national publicity.

    Her body parts were found in a garden shed in a nearby home on March 2.

    Her stepbrother Nathan Matthews, 28, admits killing Becky by suffocating the teenager in her bedroom but denies murder - claiming he did not intend to cause her serious harm.

    His girlfriend Shauna Hoare, 21, denies any involvement in Becky's killing.

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    UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, England, 19 February 2015 **ARRESTS**#15


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clio View Post
    Hi Legal & Welcome,

    BIB If they did try to assault Becky in her own home, and there was therefore no joint kidnap plan at all, how do you see this fitting with the charges and judges instructions? Just curious to have your view on it, if you don't mind me asking. TIA

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    Hi! Very good questions! Yes, it's confusing to try and work out what went to plan and what didn't. I was trying to put together the pieces of evidence but nothing seems to fit. the police have to go with the evidence they have and with the charges that the CPS say are likely to result in a conviction but you're right, an assault at her house and kidnap do seem contradictory. Back to the drawing board. I read the list of items found in the shed but I just can't put everything together. Poor Becky. Whatever happened must have been terrifying for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tealgrove View Post
    Do you think that we are privy to all the evidence? I just get the feeling that things were presented in court and that it was not reported in MSM. Is that possible?

    I am used to the Canadian and American trials wherein there may be a publication ban prior to going to trial but once the trial gets going we know the whole deal and I just get the feeling that we are missing things.
    Yes, it's more than possible. It's quite common for reporting restrictions to be placed on matters that are sensitive in some way. A lot (though not necessarily all) is usually revealed after the conclusion of the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoverMeCagney View Post
    I must have entirely missed the statements from LO. And she was at a boy friends house overnight the night before? I had thought she was at Courtneys.

    Please can someone elaborate?!
    As I understand it, BW was at a friend's house who happens to be a boy. She wasn't with Courtney nor was she with her boyfriend.

    Not the best quote but it'll do...

    Another friend, at whose house Becky stayed on the night before she is believed to have died, said she was looking forward to seeing her boyfriend when she went home.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-together.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherwell View Post
    Yes, it's more than possible. It's quite common for reporting restrictions to be placed on matters that are sensitive in some way. A lot (though not necessarily all) is usually revealed after the conclusion of the case.
    That's what I'm hoping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YidArmyRach View Post
    I wonder if any of them, before being told that, had tried to make a cigarette last for 22 - 25 minutes, to see if it is possible.

    I'm actually surprised the defence hadn't already tried to fit someone into that suitcase - to show either how difficult it would be, or impossible. When there was the investigation into the "spy in the holdall" case, I'm sure that was recreated (by that I mean - didn't a lady demonstrate that it was possible to lock herself into the bag?).

    I would have like NM to have proven in court that he could lift a 9 stone suitcase and carry it some distance, lift it up and even take it down some stairs. I'd have like to have seen him use the saw single handedly with such precision too.
    Hahah that takes me back to last week's delay *rolling around*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legal View Post
    that's interesting, thank you! possibly not constructive manslaughter then. The intention to kill or cause GBH is what's required for a murder charge.
    I have no idea on legality's other than what I've learnt here. I think the Police were pushing home Murder for both of them though in this case.
    Don't think they have any hope on that for SH but you never know. This is where I wish we had 'live court tv' so we can 'read' the defendants and see and hear their reactions! Welcome anyway Legal!
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    Signing into new thread I havent been commenting much as Im finding this really tough to follow (have followed the case since BW first went missing)

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    Another theory on the joint enterprise/kidnap conspiracy -

    If NM had gone there with no kidnap plan and death had ensued, SH would still be charged with murder joint enterprise, unless she had reported him for the crime and hadn't helped to cover it up. ie/ she went there with a joint purpose to harm Becky.

    Because NM has admitted kidnap leading to death, the state brought the charge of conspiracy to kidnap and murder against SH.

    Possibly?


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    Hello, good evening WS fellows

    The compilation from today's court session is now ready. The link to access it is here bellow this text in my signature.


    I will now catch up along last thread as I followed it until page 45 and it ended at page 67.

    What do you think of the changing of charges related to JI and DD? Canīt it be a way for the jury to think 'if the pros was wrong about JI and DD's charges could also be about SH and NM'?

    Do you think it might 'weaken' the pros points?

    Two days ago I asked here if it would be allowed the judge's summing and considerations to the jury to be reported live as happened with the previous phases in court.

    I was answered 'yes' there is no reason not to be as it uses to be. Why wasn't it then? Why this case appears to be so strange?

    This case seems to be full of taboos and its prosecution seems to have done a job as good as if it was a case of a robber who had stolen na apple in a market. Something of minor importance



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    Marking my spot. Waiting for the verdict is going to be nerve wracking, the trial so far has been exhausting, and that's just as an outsider. I've not posted so much as its frustrated the heck out of me. I try and post but I'm so angry about this all I just can't string much together, it would turn into a tirade of expletives. Kudos to all you who have raised some very interesting points and kept Becky name in the spotlight here.

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    Evening BeesKnees and thank you as always for the upated compilation.

    Re the Judge's summary. I think we will get to hear all of it, eventually. I just think he did not want the journos tweeting in bit by bit. There is a good summary from the Guardian newspaper of what he has said so far.

    Here's the link to save you going all the way back through the previous thread.

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    Evening Skibaboo - waiting for the verdicts is going to be very stressful and that is just us, as outsiders. My thoughts are with Becky's family, I wish them strength to be able to get through these next few days.
    I tend to be fairly calm on here but then have a good old rant at OH ! who has said he thinks verdicts by Thursday. I think no way, but would love it if he were right.

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    Such a feeling of helplessness with this case and especially right now as we wait. I'm not good at waiting so I'll be anxiously waiting the outcome.

    It has been extremely difficult to tie all the pieces together and it doesn't get any easier. I am quite sure that we are missing a ton of information. I'm hoping so for the jury's sake.

    Well, it's almost in their hands now. They have a tough job ahead of them.

    Justice for Becky I hope is just around the corner.

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