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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnie M View Post
    I happen to agree , I have been following this case since I first heard about it in 1990 , and then with the exceptionally high number of priest-pedophile cases in the area (Behind the Pine Curtain) the silence & inaction of LE made me wonder if some of them had something to hide.

    I would have been wrong of course (regarding the Wetterling case) .... but there remains the aroma of that strange silence from law enforcement ... they never pointed fingers at the likely suspects

    But when it came to the totally innocent Dan Rassier they did not hesitate to splash it all over the news

    The aroma lingers.
    I think you may want to read the different interviews LE had with DR.,His mother thought he may have done it and had ideas on how he did it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pcd439 View Post
    I'm of the belief that someone in Stearns County was covering or trying to deflect information away from him. They didn't need to as the FBI was more than incompetent in the way they handled this. Agree with you that he should have been more than obvious.
    Why deflect from Heinrich? He is a loner psychopath thatt kept his secret all of these years. From all the attacks he did, he was alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    I think you may want to read the different interviews LE had with DR.,His mother thought he may have done it and had ideas on how he did it
    First time I have heard of this. Are you serious ? thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnie M View Post
    First time I have heard of this. Are you serious ? thanks.
    It is in the different search warrants. I do not remember which one,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELOCsoul View Post
    Meaning that they have threatened media organizations that they will revoke access to interviews with the family if they discuss me or my books. This has occurred on at least three occasions, possibly more. In some cases media organizations, such as KARE11, have met with me in secret so that the JWRC would not find out. Their news director followed my author page until after word got out they were meeting with me and seeking information. KARE11 called me on this past Thursday to ask me about the source of some information in the book...I told them to find it in the bibliography.
    Listening to the different reports on how the agencies hated each other and hearing this about ELOC and the weird BS regarding his book, I wonder why all of this crazy fighting. It is beyond absurd to venerate Joy and attack ELOC. He publlshed a book at expense to himself and donated the money. He shared resources and info with Joy. He gave the FBI missing notes that led to Heinrich. And ELOC is the bad guy because.......?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnie M View Post
    I happen to agree , I have been following this case since I first heard about it in 1990 , and then with the exceptionally high number of priest-pedophile cases in the area (Behind the Pine Curtain) the silence & inaction of LE made me wonder if some of them had something to hide.

    I would have been wrong of course (regarding the Wetterling case) .... but there remains the aroma of that strange silence from law enforcement ... they never pointed fingers at the likely suspects

    But when it came to the totally innocent Dan Rassier they did not hesitate to splash it all over the news

    The aroma lingers.
    I am not sure of the mechanisms at play for LEO in that area-- hiding something or no. But I think it is important to remember that the priest-pedophile cases and pedophile cases in general were very uncomfortable back before Jacob's abduction. In my area, many in LE were Catholic and defended the church vehemently because it was a power structure and a major anchor in their lives. I think that for the LEO who were not abused (or, even some who were abused) the thought of going against the church and their community was unthinkable. Additionally, LEO would often counsel families to let abuses go because of the embarrassment for the family or child if it went to court-- the shame, guilt and humiliation. This was one of the reasons that pedophile could reoffend. With issues involving priests, the religious power structures shuffled them around when their crimes came to light as families often went to the church rather than LE-- some families receiving pay-offs if the crimes against their children were heinous enough, more often for female survivors rather than male.

    Real training for LEOs in relation to sexual abuse was not something that was instituted before the 1980s with few exceptions. This timeline, (http://www.scouting.org/BSAYouthProt...lTimeline.aspx) published by scouting.org, gives a nice view of how that structure began to develop language and program to protect children among politicians, LE, and social organizations. Most LE did not have sexual abuse training available to them until the mid-1980s. I would venture that the officers in the St. Joe's area were not trained on the crest of the wave. Given that they questioned the witnesses about Jacob running away and Patty Wetterling talked about hearing a radio report that said they were looking for a boy lost in the woods, we can infer that the LE in this case got some serious on the job training during the abduction of Jacob which led them back to the other non-discussed Paynesville assaults. We continually hear how this area lost their innocence with this case. I submit that the innocence of many children and families had been lost prior --causing an exquisitely painful secret club ---and that the LE in the area lost their innocence then.

    It is important to recognize that there are still pockets of society that can't or won't break down the stigma that sexual abuse has for them, particularly when it comes to males. When I worked at a Rape Crisis Center in the late 80s and into the 90s, I would often encounter LEOs who couldn't see that sexual assault is violence (power over through terror and taboo), not sex. By viewing the situation as sexual rather than violence, the taboos we have as a society in discussing sex take over. Unfortunately for many survivors over time, the officers (untrained in sexual abuse and assault) were the first men and women on the scene and their reports to higher ups set the tone of the investigation. In some areas of my service, we had town LE that refused to believe that assaults could occur among the wealthy.

    The monster in this case was on their radar but they didn't connect the assaults or MO and keep the pressure on because they had no tools to really do so. (The largest mistake was the error in thinking that the perp didn't have a car.) The DR stuff came to light after much learning occurred and he appeared more fragile and emotional or suggestible as he questioned his own ability to commit the crime. DR was profiled as a quirky, non-typical male, living at home, running around the area, and emotional alternating between high emotion and strange indifference. He didn't react as one would have thought when he first encountered LE on his property. It may have been easier to see him as the perpetrator because some questioned his sexuality given his profile-- that whole manly man seek women garbage.

    Unfortunately, there were lots of monsters in the world that looked like the monster who killed Jacob and committed these crimes. I believe there are still too many monsters on the loose. In fact, this monster had also been abused by a serial abuser. But, the topic was taboo, no psychological help was ever given and the cycle perpetuated itself with more violence.

    This case gives the largest credence to the idea that training, more training, and excellent leadership are the best tools in prevention of serial sexual abusers. LE has an obligation to protect us from monsters. As citizens we are also responsible to protect our children by not closing our eyes, giving our children tools if they encounter monsters, and challenging our LE to make sure they are skilled and capable when it comes to the finding and holding abusers accountable.



    In short, I believe the aroma of strange silence was due to lack of training and structures to bring forth these crimes into the light resulting in the historic stance that it was better banish the crimes to hushed tones and beliefs that just moving on rather than dealing was better for the survivor and the community. Thank goodness we have structures that provide training which unfortunately come from the price that many children have paid. People like Patty have indeed changed the world.

    JMHO
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    As a retired teacher, we knew zero about sex abuse until after Jacob, That is when mandated reporting, Good Touch, Bad Touch all started, It has taken a long time.

    Think about Brock Turner and his sentence.

    Before,child sex abuse in the family was their business. A woman being beaten was family business. I don't think people knew anything about priest abuse until lately, did they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post

    Before,child sex abuse in the family was their business. A woman being beaten was family business. I don't think people knew anything about priest abuse until lately, did they?
    I was raised in a VERY Catholic family (1960s-early 1970s). There was inference among kids and a few adults. Alter boys talked about special stuff that they got and going to the rectory for meals and movies. When I was in my teens all hell started to break loose in my area. There were some progressive priests who started to leave to get married and they began talk about some of the goings on in our church. The congregation was divided among those who refused to question and the families whose kids said things were happening. My neighborhood had a man who was a big supporter (money) to my church and was a known pedophile but had never been arrested because the police felt the embarrassment to the families and young girls would be awful. The idea was keeping everything a family matter or secret. Many lives ruined in my neck of the woods but very few structures that would or could support any survivor of abuse.

    The college rape scene is a whole other issue that should scare us all--- the Turner Monster and the Vanderbilt rapists combined with an amazing "blame the survivor mentality."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELOCsoul View Post

    Jared is the only real hero in all of this.
    Also Patty Wetterling in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnie M View Post
    First time I have heard of this. Are you serious ? thanks.
    Warrant #3, page 8: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/0...arch-warrants/


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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    I think you may want to read the different interviews LE had with DR.,His mother thought he may have done it and had ideas on how he did it
    Quote Originally Posted by Arnie M View Post
    First time I have heard of this. Are you serious ? thanks.
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    It is in the different search warrants. I do not remember which one,
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    Sometimes we have to hang on every word .... Here is how it actually reads ....

    (Quote from the warrant)... Rita Rassier voluntarily began making comments that if her son Dan did take Jacob Wetterling she would provide theories on how he would do this ....

    (My comment) ... that is completely different than saying she thought he might have done it . thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnie M View Post
    Sometimes we have to hang on every word .... Here is how it actually reads ....

    (Quote from the warrant)... Rita Rassier voluntarily began making comments that if her son Dan did take Jacob Wetterling she would provide theories on how he would do this ....

    (My comment) ... that is completely different than saying she thought he might have done it . thanks
    People see things differently for sure. She was willing to think of ways he could have done it. If I was sure my kid had NOT done something, I would not be thinking of ways he could have done it, I would be thinking of all the ways it was impossible

    I am quite sure as a mother I would never say that about my child whom I thought to be innocent.

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    I think what Rita R. was trying to convey was that she would cooperate with police if she knew her son was involved .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELOCsoul View Post
    Meaning that they have threatened media organizations that they will revoke access to interviews with the family if they discuss me or my books. This has occurred on at least three occasions, possibly more. In some cases media organizations, such as KARE11, have met with me in secret so that the JWRC would not find out. Their news director followed my author page until after word got out they were meeting with me and seeking information. KARE11 called me on this past Thursday to ask me about the source of some information in the book...I told them to find it in the bibliography.

    In my opionion, when threats like this occur, there is an ulterior motive.

    Somone, somewhere was intending to make money off of this tragedy. You beat them to the punch and for the most part provided (or pointed a big red arrow at) the information that solved the case...all for no profit or fame.

    That somone has a degree of power and persuasion and must be pretty steamed about losing their cash cow.
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