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  1. #31
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    Seriously..as slimy as Nurmi is, I believe he feels dirty after having to deal with that psycho. I think he is trying to distance himself from her and hopes the book will convey that he did what he had to do on her behalf because it was his job to give her some kind of defense, and that doesn't like her, never liked her and was forced to be in contact with her despite his many efforts to be removed from it all.

    I get it.

    It doesn't make me like him, but I understand his need for this kind of cleansing. I cannot help but sympathize to some degree with anyone--no matter how low to the ground they are--who has come in contact with that killer at any point in their life.

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    Kiefer with his slow newsday tripe, jealousy oozing from his wording. LMAO, Juan and Nurmi should send him a thank you note for his promo. $$$$$



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope4More View Post
    January 21, 2008. The day the killer will later refer to in vomiting out her most despicable and odious lie, that Travis was a pedophile (thanks goes to you too on this one, Nurmi).


    In the early morning, Lisa says to Travis --goodnight honey. I love you baby. Travis says- I love you too. Good night.

    at 9:35 a.m. Deanna text Travis and says- there's a mummy on my computer desk. Thanks for coming over. Love you.

    At 2:03 p.m. Lisa says- hey did you call me and Travis replies yes. she says - do you need me to call you back right away?

    Travis says- I just got some information about the genetic disorder.

    Lisa says - ok I'll call you in a few minutes.

    Over 20 minutes later Travis texts - when you say in a few what do you mean?

    She says what do you mean? I just called your cell and left a message and I called your house phone.

    2:29. Travis - my cell didn't ring and it doesn't show a voicemail.

    2:35 Lisa says- did you get that last text?

    2:35 Travis says no

    2:36 p.m. Lisa said- I called again. Is it still not showing up? how strange. Try calling me again please?

    2;37 pm Travis replied- we can just talk at FHE. Don't worry about it.

    2:38 p.m. Lisa says- are you sure? I'd ike to know what's up.
    Did you get tested or is it just more info? Travis says- just info.

    Lisa says- okay I suppose I can wait.

    438 pm lisa says -hey baby. I just tried calling you back again. Is it still not ringing for me?

    5:38 p.m. the killer texts- I can't remember . am I supposed to pick you up on Wednesday at 10:30?

    5:52 p.m. Leslie U texts T. -- just realized I never called Jodi back. CRAP!!

    6:41 pm. killer: can we trade cars before fhe?

    7:14 p.m. Deanna: you should go on American Gladiator. For real

    Travis: why?

    715 Deanna to T-- you would totally win!

    7:17 p.m.Travis to Deanna- what makes you think that?

    7:19 p.m. the killer says- " nevermind. One of the stores I need to go to tomorrow closes at 8. I'll just go tomorrow. "

    7:20 p.m. Deanna to T--oh come on, you know you could if you train for it! you would get all crazy... it would be awesome!

    7:24pm. T to killer: I got a ride from some peeps in the ward now you can just go get it. Let me know when you make the exchange.

    7:25 p.m. to Deanna: I'll look into it.

    7:25 p.m. killer: I'm almost asleep. We'll see. Zzzzz.

    7:27 p.m. Deanna to T: yay! Have you really not thought about it till now?

    7:27 p.m. T to the killer: you obviously don't need it that bad. I got a ride so you can go get the car. Now you're going to sleep?

    7:27 p.m. T to Deanna --I haven't.

    7:30 p.m. Killer: I fell asleep and a phone call woke me up. that's when I sent you the text.

    7:30 Deanna to T: it could be fun . let me know

    7:36 pm. Killer to T: I have a really bad headache. I can barely move.

    9:11 p.m. Travis to killer. All right. Get it tomorrow then.

    9:16 p.m. killer: can you talk right now?

    9:17 p.m. T to killer-- Not right now.


    That was the last text sent by Travis to anyone that night. It's interesting, among other things , that Travis asked the killer the next day if she had used his phone. I'm thinking she messed with it somehow, as in, blocked incoming calls from Lisa.

    Notice there is no time in the afternoon when it was possible for her to stop by. Curious about the genetic disorder. Not genealogy, then? Included the exchange with Deanna because I think it demonstrates how the killer literally imposed herself into the middle of his full and loving life.

    Why didn't Juan put that up on the big screen when CMJA was on the stand under cross. I don't see how she could have talked her way out of that. Is it possible Nurmi kept that out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope4More View Post
    January 21, 2008. The day the killer will later refer to in vomiting out her most despicable and odious lie, that Travis was a pedophile (thanks goes to you too on this one, Nurmi).


    In the early morning, Lisa says to Travis --goodnight honey. I love you baby. Travis says- I love you too. Good night.

    at 9:35 a.m. Deanna text Travis and says- there's a mummy on my computer desk. Thanks for coming over. Love you.

    At 2:03 p.m. Lisa says- hey did you call me and Travis replies yes. she says - do you need me to call you back right away?

    Travis says- I just got some information about the genetic disorder.

    Lisa says - ok I'll call you in a few minutes.

    Over 20 minutes later Travis texts - when you say in a few what do you mean?

    She says what do you mean? I just called your cell and left a message and I called your house phone.

    2:29. Travis - my cell didn't ring and it doesn't show a voicemail.

    2:35 Lisa says- did you get that last text?

    2:35 Travis says no

    2:36 p.m. Lisa said- I called again. Is it still not showing up? how strange. Try calling me again please?

    2;37 pm Travis replied- we can just talk at FHE. Don't worry about it.

    2:38 p.m. Lisa says- are you sure? I'd ike to know what's up.
    Did you get tested or is it just more info? Travis says- just info.

    Lisa says- okay I suppose I can wait.

    438 pm lisa says -hey baby. I just tried calling you back again. Is it still not ringing for me?

    5:38 p.m. the killer texts- I can't remember . am I supposed to pick you up on Wednesday at 10:30?

    5:52 p.m. Leslie U texts T. -- just realized I never called Jodi back. CRAP!!

    6:41 pm. killer: can we trade cars before fhe?

    7:14 p.m. Deanna: you should go on American Gladiator. For real

    Travis: why?

    715 Deanna to T-- you would totally win!

    7:17 p.m.Travis to Deanna- what makes you think that?

    7:19 p.m. the killer says- " nevermind. One of the stores I need to go to tomorrow closes at 8. I'll just go tomorrow. "

    7:20 p.m. Deanna to T--oh come on, you know you could if you train for it! you would get all crazy... it would be awesome!

    7:24pm. T to killer: I got a ride from some peeps in the ward now you can just go get it. Let me know when you make the exchange.

    7:25 p.m. to Deanna: I'll look into it.

    7:25 p.m. killer: I'm almost asleep. We'll see. Zzzzz.

    7:27 p.m. Deanna to T: yay! Have you really not thought about it till now?

    7:27 p.m. T to the killer: you obviously don't need it that bad. I got a ride so you can go get the car. Now you're going to sleep?

    7:27 p.m. T to Deanna --I haven't.

    7:30 p.m. Killer: I fell asleep and a phone call woke me up. that's when I sent you the text.

    7:30 Deanna to T: it could be fun . let me know

    7:36 pm. Killer to T: I have a really bad headache. I can barely move.

    9:11 p.m. Travis to killer. All right. Get it tomorrow then.

    9:16 p.m. killer: can you talk right now?

    9:17 p.m. T to killer-- Not right now.


    That was the last text sent by Travis to anyone that night. It's interesting, among other things , that Travis asked the killer the next day if she had used his phone. I'm thinking she messed with it somehow, as in, blocked incoming calls from Lisa.

    Notice there is no time in the afternoon when it was possible for her to stop by. Curious about the genetic disorder. Not genealogy, then? Included the exchange with Deanna because I think it demonstrates how the killer literally imposed herself into the middle of his full and loving life.
    Thanks! Also, notice as she's the only he is irritated with, because she causes him unnecessary stress.
    "One man's logic is another man's crazy" - Rossi (Criminal Minds)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caylee Advocate View Post
    Kiefer with his slow newsday tripe, jealousy oozing from his wording. LMAO, Juan and Nurmi should send him a thank you note for his promo. $$$$$



    http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...ey=&autologin=
    He's probably jealous he doesn't get part of this cash cow. Or maybe he'll write a book about his interview with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krkrjx View Post
    Seriously..as slimy as Nurmi is, I believe he feels dirty after having to deal with that psycho. I think he is trying to distance himself from her and hopes the book will convey that he did what he had to do on her behalf because it was his job to give her some kind of defense, and that doesn't like her, never liked her and was forced to be in contact with her despite his many efforts to be removed from it all.

    I get it.

    It doesn't make me like him, but I understand his need for this kind of cleansing. I cannot help but sympathize to some degree with anyone--no matter how low to the ground they are--who has come in contact with that killer at any point in their life.
    Helping her with her defense shouldn't include suborning perjury and I believe that is exactly what he did. He knew those letters were forgeries and she lied about the pedo incident, if we could see it so could he. And I particularly disliked the way he went after Juan. He had a real hate on for him and resented Juan's popularity.

    Nurmi checked twitter all the time. He was obsessed with social media and still is. You don't see Juan on there, and if he ever got on he would have thousands of followers. Nurmi wants to be liked and he cares what people say about him, that is why he lost weight but it didn't help because he is still a slob with bad habits and he still trashed TA and Juan. No matter what he does at this point he is not going to win friends and acceptance. Too little too late

    The book is just another attempt to usurp Juan and it is failing big time. I made my comment on Amazon about his book. I only stated the truth. There is nothing he can say about CMJA without violating the attorney client privilege, so no reason to read his diatribe about Juan and Flores. Total waste of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope4More View Post
    January 21, 2008. The day the killer will later refer to in vomiting out her most despicable and odious lie, that Travis was a pedophile (thanks goes to you too on this one, Nurmi).


    In the early morning, Lisa says to Travis --goodnight honey. I love you baby. Travis says- I love you too. Good night.

    at 9:35 a.m. Deanna text Travis and says- there's a mummy on my computer desk. Thanks for coming over. Love you.

    At 2:03 p.m. Lisa says- hey did you call me and Travis replies yes. she says - do you need me to call you back right away?

    Travis says- I just got some information about the genetic disorder.

    Lisa says - ok I'll call you in a few minutes.

    Over 20 minutes later Travis texts - when you say in a few what do you mean?

    She says what do you mean? I just called your cell and left a message and I called your house phone.

    2:29. Travis - my cell didn't ring and it doesn't show a voicemail.

    2:35 Lisa says- did you get that last text?

    2:35 Travis says no

    2:36 p.m. Lisa said- I called again. Is it still not showing up? how strange. Try calling me again please?

    2;37 pm Travis replied- we can just talk at FHE. Don't worry about it.

    2:38 p.m. Lisa says- are you sure? I'd ike to know what's up.
    Did you get tested or is it just more info? Travis says- just info.

    Lisa says- okay I suppose I can wait.

    438 pm lisa says -hey baby. I just tried calling you back again. Is it still not ringing for me?

    5:38 p.m. the killer texts- I can't remember . am I supposed to pick you up on Wednesday at 10:30?

    5:52 p.m. Leslie U texts T. -- just realized I never called Jodi back. CRAP!!

    6:41 pm. killer: can we trade cars before fhe?

    7:14 p.m. Deanna: you should go on American Gladiator. For real

    Travis: why?

    715 Deanna to T-- you would totally win!

    7:17 p.m.Travis to Deanna- what makes you think that?

    7:19 p.m. the killer says- " nevermind. One of the stores I need to go to tomorrow closes at 8. I'll just go tomorrow. "

    7:20 p.m. Deanna to T--oh come on, you know you could if you train for it! you would get all crazy... it would be awesome!

    7:24pm. T to killer: I got a ride from some peeps in the ward now you can just go get it. Let me know when you make the exchange.

    7:25 p.m. to Deanna: I'll look into it.

    7:25 p.m. killer: I'm almost asleep. We'll see. Zzzzz.

    7:27 p.m. Deanna to T: yay! Have you really not thought about it till now?

    7:27 p.m. T to the killer: you obviously don't need it that bad. I got a ride so you can go get the car. Now you're going to sleep?

    7:27 p.m. T to Deanna --I haven't.

    7:30 p.m. Killer: I fell asleep and a phone call woke me up. that's when I sent you the text.

    7:30 Deanna to T: it could be fun . let me know

    7:36 pm. Killer to T: I have a really bad headache. I can barely move.

    9:11 p.m. Travis to killer. All right. Get it tomorrow then.

    9:16 p.m. killer: can you talk right now?

    9:17 p.m. T to killer-- Not right now.


    That was the last text sent by Travis to anyone that night. It's interesting, among other things , that Travis asked the killer the next day if she had used his phone. I'm thinking she messed with it somehow, as in, blocked incoming calls from Lisa.

    Notice there is no time in the afternoon when it was possible for her to stop by. Curious about the genetic disorder. Not genealogy, then? Included the exchange with Deanna because I think it demonstrates how the killer literally imposed herself into the middle of his full and loving life.



    In Jodi's letter to the Alexanders she wrote about getting into his phone, but she was totally justified in doing so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by samspace070 View Post
    Why didn't Juan put that up on the big screen when CMJA was on the stand under cross. I don't see how she could have talked her way out of that. Is it possible Nurmi kept that out?
    I thought Jodi in her testimony said it was Jan 22 when this happened, although the forged pedo letter is dated Jan 21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samspace070 View Post
    Helping her with her defense shouldn't include suborning perjury and I believe that is exactly what he did. He knew those letters were forgeries and she lied about the pedo incident, if we could see it so could he. And I particularly disliked the way he went after Juan. He had a real hate on for him and resented Juan's popularity.

    Nurmi checked twitter all the time. He was obsessed with social media and still is. You don't see Juan on there, and if he ever got on he would have thousands of followers. Nurmi wants to be liked and he cares what people say about him, that is why he lost weight but it didn't help because he is still a slob with bad habits and he still trashed TA and Juan. No matter what he does at this point he is not going to win friends and acceptance. Too little too late

    The book is just another attempt to usurp Juan and it is failing big time. I made my comment on Amazon about his book. I only stated the truth. There is nothing he can say about CMJA without violating the attorney client privilege, so no reason to read his diatribe about Juan and Flores. Total waste of money.
    I think all thinking people are aware that Nurmi's tactics in court were way off even for a defense attorney stuck with a killer who showed no remorse and had no real defense to work with. Most people thought he was out of line on most levels. Good grief, even some non-thinking people (killer supporters) knew much of what he did should never have happened. But that's just it...he knows he is hated...and he wants to try to defend his actions.

    There is no defense for most of what Nurmi said and did in court and in motions, etc. But I can understand his need to try to save face. I can't really think of many other reasons for him to write these memoirs. He can't actually expect to make any money on this...can he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by samspace070 View Post
    Helping her with her defense shouldn't include suborning perjury and I believe that is exactly what he did. He knew those letters were forgeries and she lied about the pedo incident, if we could see it so could he. And I particularly disliked the way he went after Juan. He had a real hate on for him and resented Juan's popularity.

    Nurmi checked twitter all the time. He was obsessed with social media and still is. You don't see Juan on there, and if he ever got on he would have thousands of followers. Nurmi wants to be liked and he cares what people say about him, that is why he lost weight but it didn't help because he is still a slob with bad habits and he still trashed TA and Juan. No matter what he does at this point he is not going to win friends and acceptance. Too little too late

    The book is just another attempt to usurp Juan and it is failing big time. I made my comment on Amazon about his book. I only stated the truth. There is nothing he can say about CMJA without violating the attorney client privilege, so no reason to read his diatribe about Juan and Flores. Total waste of money.
    BBM ~ I would think he knew they were fake, but JA was throwing fits to "make him" bring it up in court. Can a Defence attorney let his client lie, even though he/she does not believe them? TIA.
    "One man's logic is another man's crazy" - Rossi (Criminal Minds)


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    Quote Originally Posted by minor4th View Post
    I thought Jodi in her testimony said it was Jan 22 when this happened, although the forged pedo letter is dated Jan 21.
    IIRC it also had the year as 2007.


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    Well, curiosity has killed this cat.

    Against all judgment, better or otherwise, I have ordered Nurmi's book. It will be here Saturday. I am a fast reader and will summarize here. Ugh. This is my "taking one for the team" moment. The thought of giving this guy $5 or whatever his royalty is makes me want to vomit but I couldn't help myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minor4th View Post
    I thought Jodi in her testimony said it was Jan 22 when this happened, although the forged pedo letter is dated Jan 21.

    No. Jan 21, 2008 is date of pedo lie, Jan 22 is date of physical abuse /broken finger lie because of pedo lie.
    RIP, Cassini. To her tireless overseers- job well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILikeToBendPages View Post
    IIRC it also had the year as 2007.


    She didn't move to Mesa until July 2007. Christmas 2006 is when she drove from CA to Mesa, not only uninvited but explicitly disinvited to the party during which she slept hidden behind his Christmas tree for the night.
    RIP, Cassini. To her tireless overseers- job well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILikeToBendPages View Post
    In Jodi's letter to the Alexanders she wrote about getting into his phone, but she was totally justified in doing so.

    She's referring to what she says is the single time she ever ever snooped on him, June 2007, when she snooped his texts because she just had that familiar bad feeling he was cheating on her (what's a girl to do?).
    RIP, Cassini. To her tireless overseers- job well done.

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