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    The Alarm/Security System

    What confuses me is that if they staged the 'forced entry' on the garage pedestrian door around 6AM when they disarmed the security system...wouldn't there be a risk that MS's mother would notice this when she let the dogs out? For this reason I think the staging of the door was completed at night, close to TS's arrival.

    I do wonder what the hell they were doing at the beach? Just passing time? Why the water shoes? I wonder if something was taken from the home at 6AM and discarded in a marsh area near the beach. IIRC the report says that the rest of the home, aside from the kitchen/garage/laundry room area, was undisturbed. Could it be possible that the jumpsuit, gloves were actually effective and JR/CWW left no trace evidence of being in other areas of the home?

    Another thought, if MS was tracking TS's location on her iPhone this could be done in two ways: 1) if TS opted to share her location with MS or 2) MS had access to TS's iCloud account to use the 'find my iPhone function". I don't think scenario #1 is likely if TS told a family member she was considering divorcing MS. Rather, I think MS figured out her iCloud password which would give him real time access to her location, text messages, emails, contacts, pictures, notes. He could delete or alter all of these things on her phone, remotely. With this kind of access, he may have figured out months prior that TS was gearing up to divorce him, and that's what prompted him to keep track of all the ways he was "victimized" by his tiny, sweet, hard working, beautiful, smart wife.

    Lastly, the van. Where does the van fit into the story? Did they use the van to drive to the beach?
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    The Alarm/Security System

    Page 16, KM's statement that Curtis installed cameras on the house during the second trip for the funeral, which was confirmed by LE. Did the second crime scene tape go back up after this? My memory is kind of blurry on the date(s).

    https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...vers-case.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfieTX View Post
    Page 16, KM's statement that Curtis installed cameras on the house during the second trip for the funeral, which was confirmed by LE. Did the second crime scene tape go back up after this? My memory is kind of blurry on the date(s).

    https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...vers-case.html
    Well, we know those camera's weren't installed to keep Mark and the girls safe from some maniac at large. They were so he could be aware of anything and everything occurring outside and around his house. This alone scares the begeezus out of me. The perp is inside with the girls.

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    Does anyone else remember an unverified family member saying there was nothing untoward about the alarm being off the day Teresa cam home? Like it was an innocent mistake? I could be misremembering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayqueen View Post
    Does anyone else remember an unverified family member saying there was nothing untoward about the alarm being off the day Teresa cam home? Like it was an innocent mistake? I could be misremembering.
    Yes You are remembering correctly
    It was Duntulum.
    You could search for his/her posts if you want to read it again.
    Guess he/she was repeating what they were told at that time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dushi View Post
    Yes You are remembering correctly
    It was Duntulum.
    You could search for his/her posts if you want to read it again.
    Guess he/she was repeating what they were told at that time
    Thank you Dushi. I think you're correct, Duntulum was probably repeating what they'd been told. Mark's mom probably felt immense guilt and distress after Teresa's murder, because she'd been unable to set the alarm on Sunday afternoon. That's just one more detail that makes this so shockingly awful... MS involved his own mom (IMO -- he changed the code remotely before his mom's afternoon trip -- or Tweedledee or Tweedledum did it in person between trips to the beach).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayqueen View Post
    Does anyone else remember an unverified family member saying there was nothing untoward about the alarm being off the day Teresa cam home? Like it was an innocent mistake? I could be misremembering.

    Yes, at the time I assumed she was either fed bad info by LE/family or she was feeding us bad info to protect her identity or protect the case. The VI may not have had any regular or direct contact with LE and therefore everything she heard about the investigation was second hand at best. A lot can get lost in translation when it is passed from person to person especially under these circumstances.

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    So, according to both documents, there was one code for the garage door and another for the home. Mark gave the doctor the garage door code because the house one was deactivated (but how would Mark have known that Teresa didn't activate it before bed? Why didn't he give him both codes? Hmmmm).

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    Quote Originally Posted by creepingskills View Post
    What confuses me is that if they staged the 'forced entry' on the garage pedestrian door around 6AM when they disarmed the security system...wouldn't there be a risk that MS's mother would notice this when she let the dogs out? For this reason I think the staging of the door was completed at night, close to TS's arrival.

    I do wonder what the hell they were doing at the beach? Just passing time? Why the water shoes? I wonder if something was taken from the home at 6AM and discarded in a marsh area near the beach. IIRC the report says that the rest of the home, aside from the kitchen/garage/laundry room area, was undisturbed. Could it be possible that the jumpsuit, gloves were actually effective and JR/CWW left no trace evidence of being in other areas of the home?

    Another thought, if MS was tracking TS's location on her iPhone this could be done in two ways: 1) if TS opted to share her location with MS or 2) MS had access to TS's iCloud account to use the 'find my iPhone function". I don't think scenario #1 is likely if TS told a family member she was considering divorcing MS. Rather, I think MS figured out her iCloud password which would give him real time access to her location, text messages, emails, contacts, pictures, notes. He could delete or alter all of these things on her phone, remotely. With this kind of access, he may have figured out months prior that TS was gearing up to divorce him, and that's what prompted him to keep track of all the ways he was "victimized" by his tiny, sweet, hard working, beautiful, smart wife.

    Lastly, the van. Where does the van fit into the story? Did they use the van to drive to the beach?
    Are we certain that they entered the home at 6am? Or, just remotely disarmed the alarm? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought MS' mother tried to put in a code
    that MS had given her at her 7:45 am arrival, not realizing the alarm was already
    deactivated, which made the code she had been using all week ineffective (?). So
    she then called MS, who told her not to bother setting, as TS was arriving that evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulas88 View Post
    Are we certain that they entered the home at 6am? Or, just remotely disarmed the alarm? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought MS' mother tried to put in a code
    that MS had given her at her 7:45 am arrival, not realizing the alarm was already
    deactivated, which made the code she had been using all week ineffective (?). So
    she then called MS, who told her not to bother setting, as TS was arriving that evening.
    First couple paragraphs under details/probable cause goes over this.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B71...hOX1c0b00/view
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulas88 View Post
    Are we certain that they entered the home at 6am? Or, just remotely disarmed the alarm? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought MS' mother tried to put in a code
    that MS had given her at her 7:45 am arrival, not realizing the alarm was already
    deactivated, which made the code she had been using all week ineffective (?). So
    she then called MS, who told her not to bother sitting as TS was arriving that evening.
    The alarm was disabled using MS's mother's code at 6AM. I think this was a unique code given to BS (MS's mom) to deactivate the alarm after entering. Another code was needed to open the garage door. This was probably a single code, not distinguished by user. If I understand correctly, the BS code was inputted on the panel at 6AM to deactivate the alarm. BS told LE that it was not her who deactivated the alarm at 6AM because she didn't arrive until 7:45AM. The alarm company corroborates her story with a record of BS activating the alarm when she left at 8AM. BS returns at 4PM, deactivates alarm but cannot reactivate the alarm.

    So, from what I gather - MS gave CWW his mother's security code to deactivate the system. Probably seemed like a good plan especially since MS planned to blame his mother for failing to set the alarm, and CWW used her code to deactivate. Its not clear to me whether the garage was opened at 6AM. My guess would be MS revoked BS's unique code privileges to set the alarm the system sometime after she activated it that morning at 8AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creepingskills View Post
    The alarm was disabled using MS's mother's code at 6AM. I think this was a unique code given to BS (MS's mom) to deactivate the alarm after entering. Another code was needed to open the garage door. This was probably a single code, not distinguished by user. If I understand correctly, the BS code was inputted on the panel at 6AM to deactivate the alarm. BS told LE that it was not her who deactivated the alarm at 6AM because she didn't arrive until 7:45AM. The alarm company corroborates her story with a record of BS activating the alarm when she left at 8AM. BS returns at 4PM, deactivates alarm but cannot reactivate the alarm.

    So, from what I gather - MS gave CWW his mother's security code to deactivate the system. Probably seemed like a good plan especially since MS planned to blame his mother for failing to set the alarm, and CWW used her code to deactivate. Its not clear to me whether the garage was opened at 6AM. My guess would be MS revoked BS's unique code privileges to set the alarm the system sometime after she activated it that morning at 8AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creepingskills View Post
    The alarm was disabled using MS's mother's code at 6AM. I think this was a unique code given to BS (MS's mom) to deactivate the alarm after entering. Another code was needed to open the garage door. This was probably a single code, not distinguished by user. If I understand correctly, the BS code was inputted on the panel at 6AM to deactivate the alarm. BS told LE that it was not her who deactivated the alarm at 6AM because she didn't arrive until 7:45AM. The alarm company corroborates her story with a record of BS activating the alarm when she left at 8AM. BS returns at 4PM, deactivates alarm but cannot reactivate the alarm.

    So, from what I gather - MS gave CWW his mother's security code to deactivate the system. Probably seemed like a good plan especially since MS planned to blame his mother for failing to set the alarm, and CWW used her code to deactivate. Its not clear to me whether the garage was opened at 6AM. My guess would be MS revoked BS's unique code privileges to set the alarm the system sometime after she activated it that morning at 8AM.
    This is the part that does not make sense to me at all. Why go to the house and disable the alarm that early? BS armed it after she left at 8 am (which BTW freaks me out b/c she could have gotten herself killed too) so what was the purpose of that? To see if they could disable it? It wasn't to stage the house b/c BS didn't notice anything different. I'm so curious about the 6:00 am visit to disable the alarm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lstiff View Post
    This is the part that does not make sense to me at all. Why go to the house and disable the alarm that early? BS armed it after she left at 8 am (which BTW freaks me out b/c she could have gotten herself killed too) so what was the purpose of that? To see if they could disable it? It wasn't to stage the house b/c BS didn't notice anything different. I'm so curious about the 6:00 am visit to disable the alarm.

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    I believe that CWW had been given the "master" code or knew it. The master code is used to add or delete other codes. He knew the code being used by MS's Mother. By going first thing in the morning at 6:07 AM and disarming the alarm, CWW could make her code no longer work. When she arrived later she did not understand
    why it was unset, but upon leaving could not set it. She called Mark and he said leave it unset. He knew CWW had already been there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jggordo View Post
    I believe that CWW had been given the "master" code or knew it. The master code is used to add or delete other codes. He knew the code being used by MS's Mother. By going first thing in the morning at 6:07 AM and disarming the alarm, CWW could make her code no longer work. When she arrived later she did not understand
    why it was unset, but upon leaving could not set it. She called Mark and he said leave it unset. He knew CWW had already been there.

    JMO's
    Really great thinking, thank you, it's the best explanation yet (at least in terms of making it possible for me to understand)!

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