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  1. #271
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    My Opinions only, no facts here.

    Before the usual suspects realize that I am back on this site, I wish to make you aware that my main interest is resolving grainy surveillance images in strange crime stories. My images for the possible POI's in the Al Kite and Jennifer Kesse cases are available at: http://s172.photobucket.com/user/MrN...?sort=2&page=1. Note that I accurately described the eventual convicted criminal in the Mickey Shunick case, BEFORE the arrest and conviction. This was from a distant camera that provided a grainy image that was thought to be useless by authorities. To me, the image was as sharp as hell.

    Deep enough for tonight!

    Sleuth on.

  2. #272
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Noatak View Post
    Of the three currently-incarcerated suspects, I believe that the big guy may be able to show that he was out-of-town when the crime occurred. And frankly, as one man looking at another man, he does not turn my crank as a good solid suspect
    If JA had a solid alibi he would not be pleading guilty.

    My opinion on his alibi is that it was dependent on his wife since there was some controversy about an earlier statement she gave to investigators and her (then)current statements.I honestly don't remember what exactly that fuss was all about.

    The thing about JA that is very telling for me is once he saw the evidence against him.He then claimed Holly was at ZA's house a few days before her abduction.....he never claimed that earlier.
    Last edited by Chainsaw385; 04-22-2017 at 10:06 PM.

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    This is the first case I followed from Day One. I wish we could see or even hear the trial live.
    Praying for Holly's family....
    Sleuthing....from the perch.

  4. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by shefner View Post
    This is the first case I followed from Day One. I wish we could see or even hear the trial live.
    Praying for Holly's family....
    I live in TN and I read somewhere that it would be televised, not sure if that is fact. news channel 5 plus is where I heard it was to be aired, and online.


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    Quote Originally Posted by myworldinbytes View Post
    I live in TN and I read somewhere that it would be televised, not sure if that is fact. news channel 5 plus is where I heard it was to be aired, and online.


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    Thank you for this information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw385 View Post
    If JA had a solid alibi he would not be pleading guilty.

    My opinion on his alibi is that it was dependent on his wife since there was some controversy about an earlier statement she gave to investigators and her (then)current statements.I honestly don't remember what exactly that fuss was all about.

    The thing about JA that is very telling for me is once he saw the evidence against him.He then claimed Holly was at ZA's house a few days before her abduction.....he never claimed that earlier.
    My opinions only, no facts here:

    Chainsaw385,

    I know about this. I respect what you are saying. But "rolling over" or confessing to a crime one did not commit happens thousands of times a year in the U.S. I was convinced early on that the younger brother would be the first one to break. And he was, but later backtracked. I predicted ahead of time on Websleuths that there would be a "jailhouse confession" by the older brother main suspect (and there was, nod-nod, wink-wink), in the which he supposedly implied that Holly was buried underground (which she was not). After these two fiascos, authorities targeted the big guy. And apparently, this has worked, although it will be interesting to see if his story is the same at trial. Thanks for responding with your comments.

    Mr. Noatak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Noatak View Post
    My opinions only, no facts here:

    Chainsaw385,

    I know about this. I respect what you are saying. But "rolling over" or confessing to a crime one did not commit happens thousands of times a year in the U.S. I was convinced early on that the younger brother would be the first one to break. And he was, but later backtracked. I predicted ahead of time on Websleuths that there would be a "jailhouse confession" by the older brother main suspect (and there was, nod-nod, wink-wink), in the which he supposedly implied that Holly was buried underground (which she was not). After these two fiascos, authorities targeted the big guy. And apparently, this has worked, although it will be interesting to see if his story is the same at trial. Thanks for responding with your comments.

    Mr. Noatak
    Mr. Noatak

    My opinions only, no facts here.

    Summing up to this point:

    Trial evaluation #1: I fear that the 3 defendants will not get counsel that is equal to the State prosecutors
    Trial evaluation #2: I refer to the three defendants as the older brother, younger brother, and the big guy. The older brother is the principal suspect. During the time the older brother was in Jail it was widely-claimed that he made a threat against his younger brother that he would also end up in the same hole as Holly. Yeah, right. Holly's remains were discovered above the ground. The so-called mastermind did not even know how the remains were interred. Think about this, my friends.

    Moving on to Trial evaluation #3: What did Holly's brother see on the morning of the kidnapping? He saw and was definitive that the abductor was 5 feet 10 inches tall (see http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html post- read beyond half-way down; note that the FBI may have extended the height range to six feet in subsequent reports). Understand that the abductor was shoulder-to-shoulder with Holly and her brother knew well her exact height for precise comparison. This height-description rules out the big guy suspect and older brother suspect by a mile. I was hammered when I pointed this out a couple of years ago. Easy-peasy to question me at that time, but in a court of law, such prior statements to the press have the rule of law in a later trial. The big guy, nor the older brother are the abductor. So, only the younger brother is left to be the described abductor by the only material witness. So what is the height of the younger suspect brother? I have never found a mugshot in front of a height chart or description of his height on the 'net. From the pics of him online I would guesstimate he is 6 feet to 6 feet and one inch. But in reality, the younger brother suspect would have never been enlisted to conduct the actual kidnapping. Do your own research about him and what his relatives say about his particular state of mind. He never would have been capable of masterminding the physical kidnapping. See http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/news...case/16128815/

    What if none of the three suspects fits the exact 5' 10" description of the only material witness? Then who actually snatched Holly? With good defense lawyers, this would be dynamite in a trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Noatak View Post
    I know about this. I respect what you are saying. But "rolling over" or confessing to a crime one did not commit happens thousands of times a year in the U.S......... After these two fiascos, authorities targeted the big guy. And apparently, this has worked
    Can you cite a couple cases where someone with a solid alibi has pleaded guilty to kidnapping,rape and murder.

    People do get scared and take a plea deal.I am not saying they don't but I personally don't know of anyone that could prove they were out of town during the time of the crimes for which they were being charged end up pleading guilty to those crimes.
    If they exist I would enjoy looking at those cases to see if I can figure out what went wrong for a suspect that should have never been charged to end up pleading guilty.

    Do we know the prosecution pressured JA to confess?
    AFAIK nothing has been said what led to this deal so it is totally possible JA and his attorney reached out to the prosecution to make a deal to take the DP off the table.

    Your premise is fairly solid and well thought out but saying JA has pleaded guilty while having a solid alibi is a huge stumbling block at this current point in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw385 View Post
    Can you cite a couple cases where someone with a solid alibi has pleaded guilty to kidnapping,rape and murder.

    People do get scared and take a plea deal.I am not saying they don't but I personally don't know of anyone that could prove they were out of town during the time of the crimes for which they were being charged end up pleading guilty to those crimes.
    If they exist I would enjoy looking at those cases to see if I can figure out what went wrong for a suspect that should have never been charged to end up pleading guilty.

    Do we know the prosecution pressured JA to confess?
    AFAIK nothing has been said what led to this deal so it is totally possible JA and his attorney reached out to the prosecution to make a deal to take the DP off the table.

    Your premise is fairly solid and well thought out but saying JA has pleaded guilty while having a solid alibi is a huge stumbling block at this current point in time.
    False confessions typically occur during interrogation prior to arrest. It's my understanding that after a lawyer is involved in the case, the defendant cannot be forced to submit to further interrogation. I know of cases where the defendant insisted on his innocence until presented with the evidence against him, which was overwhelming, leading to a confession. I believe that's what happened here.

    IMO, the only time a defendant might feel pressured by the prosecution to confess is during the trial. Prosecutors don't have access to the defendant before the trial. The defendant always speaks through his lawyer prior to trial, and IMO no lawyer of integrity is going to allow his client to confess if he has a solid alibi. When the lawyer views the discovery, though, and sees the amount of evidence against his client, he is going to recommend that his client confess and settle for a plea deal, which is in the best interest of his client.

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    Trial will stream live per Burt Skaggs
    Trial to start JULY 10, 2017
    "We have been granted permission by the judge to stream the Holly Bobo case live to our Facebook page #HollyBobo #WOPC #WCM"

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...8&id=625445037

    MOO
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  11. #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by shefner View Post
    This is the first case I followed from Day One. I wish we could see or even hear the trial live.
    Praying for Holly's family....
    You will! JULY 10, 2017
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...8&id=625445037

    "We have been granted permission by the judge to stream the Holly Bobo case live to our Facebook page #HollyBobo #WOPC #WCM"

    MOO
    Last edited by Pamela_Brewer; Today at 11:41 AM.

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