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    CA - Use of deadly force by police disappears on Richmond streets

    (Not sure this is the correct forum for this! my apologies if I put it in the wrong spot)

    http://www.contracostatimes.com/news...chmond-streets

    "Many observers and police officials attribute Richmond's relatively low rate of deadly force to reforms initiated under Chief Chris Magnus, who took over a troubled department in this city of 106,000 in 2006. Magnus implemented a variety of programs to reduce the use of lethal force, including special training courses, improved staffing deployments to crisis situations, thorough reviews of all uses of force and equipping officers with nonlethal weapons such as Tasers and pepper spray."

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    I love this practice:

    ""We use a case study approach to different incidents that happen in different places. When there is a questionable use-of-force incident somewhere else, we study it and have a lot of dialogue," Magnus said. "It's a model that is used in a range of other professions, but in some police circles, it's seen as judging in hindsight and frowned on. In my mind, that attitude is counterproductive.""

    I think it's SUPER important to use past situations to improve your own reaction instincts.

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    Homicide rates doubled this year.

    http://www.contracostatimes.com/brea...still-critical

    The city of Richmond is coming off a year in which homicides increased to 21, up from a 11 in 2014, a figure that was the lowest in recorded history since 1971.
    “Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    Homicide rates doubled this year.

    http://www.contracostatimes.com/brea...still-critical

    The city of Richmond is coming off a year in which homicides increased to 21, up from a 11 in 2014, a figure that was the lowest in recorded history since 1971.
    Do you believe the use of deadly force is responsible for the homicide rate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesneakers View Post
    Do you believe the use of deadly force is responsible for the homicide rate?
    No. But I don't see this community policing as necessarily the antidote to community violence. And that article was not only about deadly force. They talked about not using stop and frisk, and proactive, forceful interventions,etc. And I think stopping those kinds of things may be responsible for the increased killings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    No. But I don't see this community policing as necessarily the answers to community violence. And that article was not only about deadly force. They talked about not using stop and frisk, and proactive, forceful interventions,etc. And I think stopping those kinds of things may be responsible for the increased killings.
    At least these officers won't have their integrity and character questioned. All lives actually do seem to matter to these guys, so I'm gonna go ahead and say that's a good thing.

    This area is a volatile area of California. The homicide rate fluctuates, but even with this recent spike, it's down 75% over the last few years. Could be their efforts prove to be fruitful in a few years when the community trusts police again. JMO!

    This article has a chart that shows lots of spikes and valleys. Gotta look at the WHOLE picture

    http://www.contracostatimes.com/west...-years-credits

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    Also, it sounded to me, from that article, that the cops were under a lot of pressure to NEVER use any lethal force. The higher ups were bragging about not ever doing so and saying their trained no to use it.

    That is the prevailing attitude in many precincts now because of the public scrutiny, some deserved and some not.

    I know what the cops that I am close to have said about it. And it is not a good thing, imo. They do not like to put themselves in dangerous situations in which they might need to pull their guns anymore. There is no upside for them to do so. They may not be supported by their command if they decide to do so. They may lose their job and their pensions and their reputation if they have to use their weapon. So if they see 4 teens driving around at 3 am, do they want to stop them? They used to 100% stop them and see what they were up to. But now they would possibly face criticism, for profiling, for stopping without cause, and worse, they may have a confrontation with another weapon. And that is a lose/lose for cops these days.

    Even if they get dispatched to a call about a mentally ill person brandishing a gun or a knife, if it goes sideways, their own career and freedom is at risk. So when there is a lot of pressure not to use any force, then cops are going to try and avoid situations where it might be needed. If they see a strange car in a parking lot at 2 am, they might just drive on by because it is 'politically' dangerous for them to enter into a confrontation these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawny View Post
    At least these officers won't have their integrity and character questioned. All lives actually do seem to matter to these guys, so I'm gonna go ahead and say that's a good thing.

    This area is a volatile area of California. The homicide rate fluctuates, but even with this recent spike, it's down 75% over the last few years. Could be their efforts prove to be fruitful in a few years when the community trusts police again. JMO!

    This article has a chart that shows lots of spikes and valleys. Gotta look at the WHOLE picture

    http://www.contracostatimes.com/west...-years-credits
    The homicide rate has nothing to do with trusting or not trusting the police. The homicide rate is not from cops killing gang members. It is from gangs killing each other and innocent bystanders and robbery victims.
    “Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    The homicide rate has nothing to do with trusting or not trusting the police. The homicide rate is not from cops killing gang members. It is from gangs killing each other and innocent bystanders and robbery victims.
    Did you look at the numbers of any other year than this one? Did you see the constant state of flux that city is in, but also notice the steady decline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawny View Post
    Did you look at the numbers of any other year than this one? Did you see the constant state of flux that city is in, but also notice the steady decline?
    All of the nation has had a steady decline, no?

    Also, I thought the changes towards community policing began in 2013.
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    I really love to see GOOD NEWS stories!

    It is a nice break!

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    Chief Magnus rocks! We need more like him!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Tawny View Post
    I love this practice:

    ""We use a case study approach to different incidents that happen in different places. When there is a questionable use-of-force incident somewhere else, we study it and have a lot of dialogue," Magnus said. "It's a model that is used in a range of other professions, but in some police circles, it's seen as judging in hindsight and frowned on. In my mind, that attitude is counterproductive.""

    I think it's SUPER important to use past situations to improve your own reaction instincts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EllieBee View Post
    Chief Magnus rocks! We need more like him!!!!
    Here is his resignation letter:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/294522414/...010316R#scribd

    January 3, 2016

    Dear Mayor, City Council Members, and City Manager,

    I have received a number of inquiries about why homicides and shootings have increased over the past year and the question that is also almost always asked is,
    “Does the Police Department have a plan?”
    Although my days remaining as Richmond’s Police Chief are few, I’ll do my best to answer both these questions . . . and then I have a question for you….
    “Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn

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    Damn. That sucks.

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    Well so much for being happy. Back to more misery. Thanks!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    Here is his resignation letter:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/294522414/...010316R#scribd

    January 3, 2016

    Dear Mayor, City Council Members, and City Manager,

    I have received a number of inquiries about why homicides and shootings have increased over the past year and the question that is also almost always asked is,
    “Does the Police Department have a plan?”
    Although my days remaining as Richmond’s Police Chief are few, I’ll do my best to answer both these questions . . . and then I have a question for you….

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