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    Here is the testimony about where the lanyard was found:

    Michael Riddle testimony:

    Q. And is that the Air National Guard lanyard that
    you observed in the RAV4 vehicle?
    A. Yes, it is.
    Q. And if you recall, can you tell us the
    approximate location of that lanyard?
    A. Yes, it was in the center console between the
    driver's -- front driver's seat and the front
    passenger seat.

    http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co....pdf#page=4210


    As for her keys and knowing it's a valet key... it's in the RAV4 manual, and I think it's a different shape than the "main" key. I believe KZ has put something similar in the Post Conviction Brief that she filed too. This was never brought up at the original trial, but the defense did bring up the fact that no other keys were found, or her purse. I have an issue with that still too lol I do not think the blue part of the lanyard was tested at all.

    IMO the key that was found in SA's room looked new, it looked like it was freshly cut. When I first came here while I was watching MaM... the key was a big thing to me... there was just no way that I could figure out how that key wasn't planted by LE... and if the key was planted, why? and that just left everything else open to me.

    The really hot fire? Your guess is as good as mine... we have questioned the same things, although I don't recall wondering where poor Bear was at the time... poor dog must have had all his hair singed after that hot of a fire.

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    Well, as you see from my avatar, I always have to think of where the dogs are when I'm doing something, so the moment i figured out how close he was to the supposed fire...

    and I do have a problem with that. I need to understand if Bear was in the house, the garage or what.

    I read a ton of police evidence reports. I hate them. But the one with the car tow said that they made a replica key to the car because they didn't have the originals.

    So, what if the dealership, or whoever made it, made the replica and a valet? Just wondering...

    I suppose the valet could be in her car in case she needed it. I couldn't imagine it would get much use. BUT if she stored it in the car in case she needed to hand it out, then that means her original was still on her. So where are her original keys? Why would the killer have to use the valet key? None of her family was worried about where her house keys were? I'd be scared as crap that the killer would be at our farm.

    copy key.JPG

    key copy.JPG

    I found where I read it. The lab made the key copy. I can't find the report of when they first picked up the car from Avery's though. These reports are date nov 11 but include info about the copy key.
    Last edited by wasnt_me; 08-05-2017 at 01:09 PM.
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    From memory... the RAV4 was found the morning of Nov 5th at Avery's, was taken to the crime lab late that night (took longer than it should have). Nov 6th the RAV4 was first processed at the lab, BUT... the door was unlocked already and there is no record of who unlocked it or how.

    In light of the lanyard being found in the center console and the key that should have been attached to it being found in SA's bedroom, it raises questions IMO.

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    Yes, it raises lots of questions, especially if they want to claim the car was open, but I read something about Pam and nikole trying all the doors, and the doors were locked. Is that true? Sorry I can't cite it, but I read so much other stuff on blogs or reddit as I'm searching for this or that, and I forget it until a post like this makes me recall.

    I was trying to find more reference to the copy key, but I didn't have any luck.I don't know how the lab made a copy key or what date they did it.

    I was in the sub-thread about the trial, and I didn't realize it doesn't show up on the main board. I wrote some things that I observed from Dawn's testimony. If you guys would care to have a look and some discourse about it, I'd appreciate it. Post 11.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...7#post13547667
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    Here is your post from the link you posted wasnt_me

    Quote Originally Posted by wasnt_me View Post
    Dawn and the account information:

    In Dawn's testimony, she claims that she had to make a new account because she could not find the account in the system. Her claim that she could barely understand Avery on the call doesn't hold water. She was able to get the complete address, name and number. Plus, if he requested the same person as last time, wouldn't she tell him on the phone that she couldn't find his acct, therefore, she has no idea who was out there last time?

    This whole thing that she had to get him off the phone quickly, so she just made a new account business is bogus. What company wants you to rush a customer off the phone and just make a new account? How do you keep up with repeat customers if you just keep making new accounts when you can't find an account?

    She probably couldn't find it because the account on the Sept work sheet says Tom Janda. The address is 12930 A Avery road. But the address Dawn put in the for 10/31 was 12930A Avery road.

    The phone numbers are different. The one on 9/19/05 ends in 4860. The number Avery gave her ended in 8715.

    But I don't see why Dawn couldn't have searched the records for just the last name Janda to find it. Why couldn't she try searching the address by separating the "A" from the rest of the house number? Why did she even write the A as part of the house number?

    Dawn also says that if the photographer can't make the same-day call, AT will call back to reschedule. So does AT call back to say that photographer is indeed coming or do they just leave it up to the photographer? Because, from the way it appears, SA was just waiting around without a time unless he went into Janda's house and checked her messages. So how does he know if Teresa is actually coming?

    Maybe that's why he calls in the afternoon a few times. I don't know why he *67 the number, and I wish we had his phone records, and hers, far enough back to see if he did indeed call her on her call phone for 10/10 and if he'd used *67 then also.

    I don't understand why he didn't communicate again with AT to verify the appt. I don't understand why he would risk TH leaving a voicemail for Janda if he'd been intending to kill TH from the time he called AT. Why didn't he check Janda's messages or get Brendon to do it? It just makes no sense if you are premeditating murder but you never got call that your victim is indeed coming, and the number you gave to RSVP is in for a phone in someone else's house! Could he have used his landline to call Janda's voicemail box? Well, if so, you'd think he'd delete TH's message if he checked it, so...

    The defense made a good case for the idea that he could have just straight up called Teresa without making an appointment for murder. And if he'd done that using *67, would this have been linked to him so quickly? Or at all?
    My opinion of Dawn from AT... she's full of it. If you read her statements from the day she was reported missing and then read her testimony, it's hard to tell it's even the same person.

    As for phone records, we do have them

    TH's cell records - direct link to October 10th - He did call her and did not use *67

    AT Toll Free call log for October 31st - http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...ee-Records.pdf

    From the Post Conviction Motion:

    11:04 a.m.: Mr. Avery called AutoTrader from his landline (920-755-4860) (Toll
    Free Records, P-C Exhibit 74)
    , which was linked in the AutoTrader records to
    Tom Janda's account. (11 /6/05 DCI interview of Angela Schuster (" 11 /6/05
    Schuster Interview"), attached and incorporated herein as P-C Exhibit 75). Mr.
    Avery confirmed that a photographer was corning to the Avery property to
    photograph the Janda van and that the photographer would be arriving at
    approximately 2:00 p.111. Mr. Avery confirmed the address of the Barbara Janda
    appointment as being 12932 Avery Road. (Affidavit of Steven Avery, P-C
    Exhibit 4). At this point in time, there can be no question that Ms. Pliszka knew
    that the appointment, scheduled at 8:12 a.m., was made by Mr. Avery and that it
    was to take place at the Avery property. The State omitted Mr. Avery's call to
    Auto Trader at 11 :04 p.m. from its timeline to the jury. (Trial Exhibit 360).

    The explanation for the *67 can be found in the recent SA affidavit:

    11. Sometimes used the*67 features when l made calls from my cell phone. When l called
    Ms. Halbach at 2:24 p.m. before she arrived and 2:35 p.m. on October 31,2005 after she
    left, I dialed *67 so that if Ms. Halbach did not answer, she would not see my number and
    feel like she had to return my call. I called at 2:24 p.m. to see when she would get there,
    but she didn't answer the call.


    Hope this helps

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    Yeah, This case really sucks.

    So am I right that:

    812am dawn calls TH about Avery
    942am TH confirms she'll do it.
    11:04am SA calls looking for a confirm and gets it.
    1143am--TH calls Janda and leaves message.

    It's reasonable that, if he is guilty, he could have discussed this with his family and somehow gotten that message deleted. It's important to note we have her message, but we don't Zipperer's. And those people are scary to me.

    It would stand to reason that SA is looking for her after 2pm if she's late, and Angela told him 2pm. The Zipperer's apparently were not looking for her at all. I don't like that none of them were around. She had to go behind the house to find the wife, and no one saw her leave. With her other two appointments, it went more smoothly and both men saw her leave. I don't know how you are a female and don't think to watch another female leave the property, but hey, that's just me. I always look out. You never know.
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    8:12 am - SA calls AutoTrader. He must not have called the toll free number because it's not on their toll free records.

    9:46am - Dawn at AT calls TH. (on her new cell records)

    11:04 am - SA calls AT's toll free number from his house phone. (presumably to see if TH could make it that day.) IIRC SA stated this early on in his interviews too that he called or they called him to tell him that she would be there around 2pm, he couldn't remember which phone he used and told them to check his phone records.

    11:10am - AT calls TH again. (only 5 seconds long)

    11:44 am - TH calls Janda's.

    As for the message on Janda's machine.... I saw a post on the family FB page within the last few months and Barb is pretty sure that the answering machine is hers in the video of the recorded voice message from TH.

    Oh and also wanted to mention in case you didn't know wasnt_me... the reason the phone number associated with the Janda residence was different is because between September (when Tom had TH do pics of a car for him) and the end of October, he was no longer there. But it doesn't change the fact that Avery was still connected to the Janda's account. Like you said in another post... this should not have been hard to make the connection, and according to Dawn's first phone interview, it wasn't... she even said that the Janda's are basically the Avery's, she knew... somehow forgot by the time it went to trial, not sure why the defense didn't destroy her "I didn't know" poo.

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    Yeah, I agree about Dawn. I'm not impressed at how the defense handled many of the witnesses. I'm on Nicole sturm right now, but I took a break and skipped over to the post conviction relief, and then I somehow got on the deer camp guy's blog. I'm reading what he said about the burn barrels getting all mixed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasnt_me View Post
    Yeah, I agree about Dawn. I'm not impressed at how the defense handled many of the witnesses. I'm on Nicole sturm right now, but I took a break and skipped over to the post conviction relief, and then I somehow got on the deer camp guy's blog. I'm reading what he said about the burn barrels getting all mixed up.
    ohhhhhhh those burn barrels! LOL I tried following them, there is a thread about it, the more I looked the more frustrated I got and honestly, after all this time, I am still not sure what barrel was what and which had bones and where they were found. This investigation was brutal. JMO

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    At the very least, SA needs a new trial, and Brenden, too.
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  11. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    From memory... the RAV4 was found the morning of Nov 5th at Avery's, was taken to the crime lab late that night (took longer than it should have). Nov 6th the RAV4 was first processed at the lab, BUT... the door was unlocked already and there is no record of who unlocked it or how.

    In light of the lanyard being found in the center console and the key that should have been attached to it being found in SA's bedroom, it raises questions IMO.

    We also don't have any pictures to prove that it was ever in the center console at all. Shrugs. I still feel its original place of key connected to lanyard before AC found the car was in the blue bag in her back seat.

  12. #402
    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    8:12 am - SA calls AutoTrader. He must not have called the toll free number because it's not on their toll free records.

    9:46am - Dawn at AT calls TH. (on her new cell records)

    11:04 am - SA calls AT's toll free number from his house phone. (presumably to see if TH could make it that day.) IIRC SA stated this early on in his interviews too that he called or they called him to tell him that she would be there around 2pm, he couldn't remember which phone he used and told them to check his phone records.

    11:10am - AT calls TH again. (only 5 seconds long)

    11:44 am - TH calls Janda's.

    As for the message on Janda's machine.... I saw a post on the family FB page within the last few months and Barb is pretty sure that the answering machine is hers in the video of the recorded voice message from TH.

    Oh and also wanted to mention in case you didn't know wasnt_me... the reason the phone number associated with the Janda residence was different is because between September (when Tom had TH do pics of a car for him) and the end of October, he was no longer there. But it doesn't change the fact that Avery was still connected to the Janda's account. Like you said in another post... this should not have been hard to make the connection, and according to Dawn's first phone interview, it wasn't... she even said that the Janda's are basically the Avery's, she knew... somehow forgot by the time it went to trial, not sure why the defense didn't destroy her "I didn't know" poo.
    Would like to say. How did AutoT know TH would be there at 11:04 when SA called back. From what I see most Auto T calls were VM up till then. And first time TH checked her VM that morning was at 11:04am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticJynx View Post
    Would like to say. How did AutoT know TH would be there at 11:04 when SA called back. From what I see most Auto T calls were VM up till then. And first time TH checked her VM that morning was at 11:04am.
    Looking at the new records again...

    There looks like more than 1 call from AT that morning.

    8:17am - last 4 digits of # 8736 - 1:06 in length
    9:46am - 8738 - :33 seconds
    10:52am - 8738 - :05 seconds
    11:10am - 8736 - :05 seconds

    I also don't think we have seen her home phone records. No clue how AT knew at 11:04, but I have to think they spoke to her (maybe the 9:46 call?).

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