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    Quote Originally Posted by Caylee Advocate View Post
    Seems as though KW (Lefty the *ahem*.. Rapper) has been a bad boy. LOL



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    Jodi Ann would NOT approve of such crass behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burke_dennings View Post
    Jodi Ann would NOT approve of such crass behavior.

    Delicate flower that she is.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Caylee Advocate View Post
    Seems as though KW (Lefty the *ahem*.. Rapper) has been a bad boy. LOL



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    That's the person that came to mind when it was first revealed that one of the people helping JA with her "calls" was a middle-aged black man.

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    A little experiment:

    What did you do 5 days ago? How about 6 days, or 4 days? Can you remember?

    I believe Zac had the wrong day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICit View Post
    A little experiment:

    What did you do 5 days ago? How about 6 days, or 4 days? Can you remember?

    I believe Zac had the wrong day!
    It's possible, Zac's recollection of Thursday sure fits my theory for how/why JA did it all between 4:30-6:00pm, except on the Wednesday, though I think Enrique may have been mixed up too.

    It is possible Enrique had seen TA early Wednesday morning when he left for work and that all the other changes he noticed when he got home from work were recorded as having happened on Thursday instead of the same day(Wednesday).
    Last edited by Val1; 01-11-2016 at 11:59 PM. Reason: trying to clear up my reply... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICit View Post
    A little experiment:

    What did you do 5 days ago? How about 6 days, or 4 days? Can you remember?

    I believe Zac had the wrong day!
    I thought Flores told JA that Amanda was on the cruise with her parents and Zach was house sitting while they were all gone? It's hard to put too much credence in what either roommate recalled since both misremembered things (Enrique thought he saw Travis on the conference call on the 4th, one of them thought they'd done laundry after the camera-wash), I felt sorry for Flores trying to piece things together but don't blame them, it is difficult to remember details from days before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geevee View Post
    I thought Flores told JA that Amanda was on the cruise with her parents and Zach was house sitting while they were all gone? It's hard to put too much credence in what either roommate recalled since both misremembered things (Enrique thought he saw Travis on the conference call on the 4th, one of them thought they'd done laundry after the camera-wash), I felt sorry for Flores trying to piece things together but don't blame them, it is difficult to remember details from days before.
    Zach corrected the laundry thing, said he had done his Wednesday the 4th and had cleaned his room that Saturday.

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    Marking my spot. Thanks to everyone for continuing to decipher her madness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasnt_me View Post
    There is another explanation, and it fits the timeline. She was in the house when Enrique got home. Maybe she had to leave the carpet cleaner and run upstairs or into the office and wait until he left again.

    I don't know what time his wednesday service started, but I can assume 7, so he probably wasn't home but for 30 minutes or so.

    Her drive to kingman should have taken 3 hours. Her first calls are what? 1030pm? It gives her an extra hr at the least, 1.5 at the most.

    I keep saying I think she texted Jonah during the conference call. His 2nd text to travis is bizarre otherwise.



    No computer expert testified to finding a mass deletion of anything on his computer for June 4th. She tried to get rid of stuff on her own computer, and her answer to that was to destroy, or break in whatever way, the hard drive. Just saying, with her bleaching the camera and somehow trying to break her hard drive, this seems to be how she handles things. Makes me wonder that if she wanted anything gone his computer, why she didn't "break it."

    It seems that what she'd want gone would be emails, facebook and gmail stuff, and linkedin stuff. What else would be on his computer that mattered to her? LE scoured his computer for porn, etc, so I'm guessing they checked unallocated space and found nothing abnormal such as a mass dumping into unallocated space that day.
    The Jonah texts certainly seemed out of nowhere, but I have no idea what the relationship was between him and TA so perhaps not, maybe someone told him they thought TA was already enroute to Cancun and that's why he missed the call. What I found more bizarre was the two texts from N/A11 asking about renting rooms on June 3/4, anyone know who that was from?

    Re your comment about "No computer expert testified to finding a mass deletion of anything on his computer for June 4th.", wasn't that exactly what Nurmi was claiming happened at some point and that's why no porn had been found? Iirc he had suggested that TA had "cleaned" his pc so as to cover his tracks, or some such nonsense.

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    JA wore gloves and socks the whole time she was there. LE did not find her finger prints anywhere. The only time she took one of the gloves off momentarily was when she felt a sharp pain from cut and inadvertently left a palm print.

    She wore a pair of long pants too in hot June weather. She covered her body as much as possible as not to leave any evidence of her presence.

    So based on how well prepared she came, determined not to leave any prints or DNA, I'm more inclined to believe in no sex that day.

    Travis did not know she was coming. She came to kill and killed him most likely in the morning and I believe she had all afternoon to manipulate evidence, including leaving a large shoe print in his bathroom. She probably came with a murder kit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketaccent View Post
    JA wore gloves and socks the whole time she was there. LE did not find her finger prints anywhere. The only time she took one of the gloves off momentarily was when she felt a sharp pain from cut and inadvertently left a palm print.

    She wore a pair of long pants too in hot June weather. She covered her body as much as possible as not to leave any evidence of her presence.

    So based on how well prepared she came, determined not to leave any prints or DNA, I'm more inclined to believe in no sex that day.

    Travis did not know she was coming. She came to kill and killed him most likely in the morning and I believe she had all afternoon to manipulate evidence, including leaving a large shoe print in his bathroom. She probably came with a murder kit.
    I agree she came dressed to kill...pic of her on the day she began her drive to Mesa, wearing a blood-red blouse:

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    and the reflection of the blouse below the base of the shower stall:

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    Incidentally I think that's the moment the attack began, you can see T's feet in motion on the right (one sole almost facing the camera) even though his arms and knees appear still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geevee View Post
    I agree she came dressed to kill...pic of her on the day she began her drive to Mesa, wearing a blood-red blouse:

    ja6308asm.jpg

    and the reflection of the blouse below the base of the shower stall:

    53030Full600cut.jpg

    Incidentally I think that's the moment the attack began, you can see T's feet in motion on the right (one sole almost facing the camera) even though his arms and knees appear still.
    That selfie is so hideous. Why does anyone think she was ever "attractive"?

    I never thought to notice the reflection. In fact, if JA wore the red top in the selfie, surely she would normally have got herself a different top instead of wearing the same thing for 18 hours? She probably changed 3 times a day! This is another reason to think she murdered Travis at a time closer to the selfie. Plus, they didn't have sex if she was still wearing that blouse and she'd had a shower: no way she wouldn't have changed.

    Yes, she came ready to kill before she left the selfie location....

    Is JA in a red top in that photo of her dragging TA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val1 View Post
    The Jonah texts certainly seemed out of nowhere, but I have no idea what the relationship was between him and TA so perhaps not, maybe someone told him they thought TA was already enroute to Cancun and that's why he missed the call. What I found more bizarre was the two texts from N/A11 asking about renting rooms on June 3/4, anyone know who that was from?

    Re your comment about "No computer expert testified to finding a mass deletion of anything on his computer for June 4th.", wasn't that exactly what Nurmi was claiming happened at some point and that's why no porn had been found? Iirc he had suggested that TA had "cleaned" his pc so as to cover his tracks, or some such nonsense.

    Val....those texts about a roommate. Coincidental, eh? I wondered about those too, but haven't double- checked texts for exact words.

    My first thought was that it was the killer texting, trying to establish whether or not Travis had a 2 roommates or one, by seeing if that second room was available.

    Adding....I agree, Gevee, that Enrique and Zach's recollections are sadly though understandably off, and aren't a great deal of help in nailing down a timeline.

    I read through the June texts again to see if I could figure out which day Enrique was actually remembering, when he could have seen TA in the morning, been told TA had only slept for 45 minutes, then have been on the phone for a conference call when Enrique came home.

    The most likely day is on June 2, Tuesday. Travis had been on the phone with killer from 3-4AM that morning, and did have a stake conference call that evening which ended around 9pm.


    Rereading Flores' questions of the killer relating to roommates, IMO he is clearly trying to get a sense of what she could have known about their routines. Short answer is- not much.

    Enrique had only lived there for 2 weeks, the same 2 weeks when TA was barely speaking with her. She did know Zach and likely knew where he worked and a general schedule for him. But as both roomies told Flores, there was very little interaction between the roomies and Travis. Zach had lived there since January and had never shared a meal with Travis. That's pretty distant. Distant enough for it to be highly unlikely Travis would know Zach's exact schedule, much less to have communicated it to the killer.

    The only (relative) certainty about roommies is that neither saw or heard Travis or the killer that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketaccent View Post
    JA wore gloves and socks the whole time she was there. LE did not find her finger prints anywhere. The only time she took one of the gloves off momentarily was when she felt a sharp pain from cut and inadvertently left a palm print.

    She wore a pair of long pants too in hot June weather. She covered her body as much as possible as not to leave any evidence of her presence.

    So based on how well prepared she came, determined not to leave any prints or DNA, I'm more inclined to believe in no sex that day.

    Travis did not know she was coming. She came to kill and killed him most likely in the morning and I believe she had all afternoon to manipulate evidence, including leaving a large shoe print in his bathroom. She probably came with a murder kit.

    There really was a shoe print there that wasn't accounted for by police? Thought that was just more oddness from her fans.

    What a wild (as in totally interesting) thought that she planted it there. If so, guess when it came down to it that mysterious shoeprints didn't fit with one on one self-defense in the bathroom.

    The gloves make total sense, and explain why she didn't think to check the wall where she left her palm print, and why she was surprised to hear she'd left one.

    As far as not wanting to leave DNA behind so covering herself up with pants etc. I'm not sure how worried she was about that. She told Flores any DNA found there of hers - other than the palmprint- could be readily explained by the "fact" she'd lived there for "months."

    Dunno. But I think she braided her hair so it was out of the way, and maybe the long clothes were in part a shield, including from getting too much blood on her?
    Last edited by Hope4More; 01-12-2016 at 07:00 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickshawFan View Post
    That selfie is so hideous. Why does anyone think she was ever "attractive"?

    I never thought to notice the reflection. In fact, if JA wore the red top in the selfie, surely she would normally have got herself a different top instead of wearing the same thing for 18 hours? She probably changed 3 times a day! This is another reason to think she murdered Travis at a time closer to the selfie. Plus, they didn't have sex if she was still wearing that blouse and she'd had a shower: no way she wouldn't have changed.

    Yes, she came ready to kill before she left the selfie location....

    Is JA in a red top in that photo of her dragging TA?
    You can't see any shirt in the accidental pics, unfortunately, only the pants that may have been black or dark blue. Didn't Nurmi say in his book that JA was known to go days without showering? I don't think it's beyond the pale that she was in the same shirt on the 4th as the day before, since she spent the time since the selfie driving - and I think her story of what happened and when on the 4th is a load of bullcarpery that she fashioned with all of the info she knew/gleaned from his phone and computer.

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