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    Quote Originally Posted by bessie View Post
    A blog first must be approved by an administrator before it can be linked as a source. That particular blog has not been approved. You might also refer to the opening post of this thread.

    The theory in question isn't open for discussion here on WS, at least not at this point.
    The only reason I even replied is because it was posted -- see post #8.
    I also assumed that it was a valid topic since the convoluted brian link has been posted so many times.

    I personally agree that it's probably not a good idea to discuss it, because mentioning it add support to it's validity on some level. I personally think it's fiction. (but has been fun researching)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxManning View Post
    The only reason I even replied is because it was posted -- see post #8.
    I also assumed that it was a valid topic since the convoluted brian link has been posted so many times.

    I personally agree that it's probably not a good idea to discuss it, because mentioning it add support to it's validity on some level. I personally think it's fiction. (but has been fun researching)
    yep lol I had seen it numerous times come up, but didn't post until shadowraiths posted about it ;-)

    I don't think it's a bad idea to discuss... but again, from what I have seen, SA's new lawyer has all the information, so if there is any truth to it, I'm sure we will see it come back up at some point in an appeal or whatever.

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    Hi all, I apologize for bringing it up and causing the confusion. And I agree, if there is anything worth discussing, I am sure it will show up in court documents.

    Eta ~ I mod'd my own post (was post #8) as well as the response to my post.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxManning View Post
    I find the idea of two people being involved together, whether it'd be Bobby and Scott or Chuck and Earl , is less likely. Not impossible, but hard for me to believe.

    That's why I believe police targeted Brendan, as that it's more believable that Steven could influence Brendan in that way. Threaten him was the original angle if you look at the interviews. Then they went in directions of "you planned this, right ?" Brendan at this point is wiling to modify the story however they want so he can, to get home and watch TV or go back to school.

    I get it that Scott and Bobby and Chuck and Earl are all suspicious. But the rape/murder duo doesn't make as much sense to me.

    I kind of think that there is 1 person that planned to do this, and if anyone else was aware, it's a mistake and something that needed to be dealt with on the fly.
    Agree that IF this was a rape/murder it's unlikely two people were involved in the rape/murder (group sexual assaults happen, but are pretty rare) but I'm not convinced another party wasn't knowingly involved after the fact.

    I'm not a huge fan of the BD/ST theory (although I do believe it's definitely a valid theory worth considering) because I feel the window for the murder to happen is really narrow if we involve BD. Blaine and Brendan initially stated they woke Bobby up at 345. That gives him from 4-5 to commit the rape/murder, hide the body, and get cleaned up as he was back at the house at 5. Also, who burned the body? BD is back at home at 5, and spends the next 3 hours sleeping/watching tv (per his statement) ST is in GB w. Barb from 530-730

    If Steven didn't do this (and I'm not 100 percent ready to rule him out btw) then I think the best suspect would be CA. While ST/BD do have suspicious alibis that should be probed further, they are accounted for during significant portions of the night, which narrows the timeline. The timeline for CA remains wide open. Until someone can pin down his specific locations during the 245-5 time period, he's the #1 alternate suspect in my book. He knew Teresa was there, he knows the property well/can access everything on it easily, has a history of aggressive behavior w. Women customers, and had a violent, volatile relationship with his ex-wife, w. Multiple incidents of violent behavior, including violation of domestic abuse injunction, threats, stalking, preventing her from calling LE, and forcible rape.

    Would like to add that assuming CA did not murder Teresa, I believe he knows something and/or aided after the fact. His house was at too central of a location to see nothing if he was in it alone all night like he said (his reason for having no alibi was he lives by himself) Brendan states repeatedly they drove the RAV4 past his house and that he "probably knew". He also sees Steven and CA together in the garage the day after the murder talking and working on a car, which LE immediately tells him Ian true because it doesn't fit their narrative. He was very involved in this from the beginning, and I just don't buy that he knows nothing. Someone on that property knows something and saw something, IMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by stephsb View Post

    Would like to add that assuming CA did not murder Teresa, I believe he knows something and/or aided after the fact. His house was at too central of a location to see nothing if he was in it alone all night like he said (his reason for having no alibi was he lives by himself) Brendan states repeatedly they drove the RAV4 past his house and that he "probably knew". He also sees Steven and CA together in the garage the day after the murder talking and working on a car, which LE immediately tells him Ian true because it doesn't fit their narrative. He was very involved in this from the beginning, and I just don't buy that he knows nothing. Someone on that property knows something and saw something, IMO


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    I agree that I'd not be surprised if CA knew at some point. Earl as well though. Fabian said that Earl knew every car on the lot, which means if there was one with a poor hiding job that stuck out, he'd most certainly notice that.

    I'd also like to know what exactly each person's job was, as it relates to the junkyard. Does chuck tow the cars ? Who would be the one to walk with customers into the yard if they were in search of the car ?

    At some junkyards, they just let you wander, but the whole idea of having someone like Earl who knows all the cars, is to expedite that search for a car that fits customer's needs.

    If that car was there since 10/31, do I believe that chuck, earl, ore even fabian never noticed it ? Within the context that it's part of their job to move around that junkyard ?

    What is steve's role ?

    Is anyone clear on what their roles are, in regards to the business ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephsb View Post
    Agree that IF this was a rape/murder it's unlikely two people were involved in the rape/murder (group sexual assaults happen, but are pretty rare) but I'm not convinced another party wasn't knowingly involved after the fact.

    I'm not a huge fan of the BD/ST theory (although I do believe it's definitely a valid theory worth considering) because I feel the window for the murder to happen is really narrow if we involve BD. Blaine and Brendan initially stated they woke Bobby up at 345. That gives him from 4-5 to commit the rape/murder, hide the body, and get cleaned up as he was back at the house at 5. Also, who burned the body? BD is back at home at 5, and spends the next 3 hours sleeping/watching tv (per his statement) ST is in GB w. Barb from 530-730

    If Steven didn't do this (and I'm not 100 percent ready to rule him out btw) then I think the best suspect would be CA. While ST/BD do have suspicious alibis that should be probed further, they are accounted for during significant portions of the night, which narrows the timeline. The timeline for CA remains wide open. Until someone can pin down his specific locations during the 245-5 time period, he's the #1 alternate suspect in my book. He knew Teresa was there, he knows the property well/can access everything on it easily, has a history of aggressive behavior w. Women customers, and had a violent, volatile relationship with his ex-wife, w. Multiple incidents of violent behavior, including violation of domestic abuse injunction, threats, stalking, preventing her from calling LE, and forcible rape.

    Would like to add that assuming CA did not murder Teresa, I believe he knows something and/or aided after the fact. His house was at too central of a location to see nothing if he was in it alone all night like he said (his reason for having no alibi was he lives by himself) Brendan states repeatedly they drove the RAV4 past his house and that he "probably knew". He also sees Steven and CA together in the garage the day after the murder talking and working on a car, which LE immediately tells him Ian true because it doesn't fit their narrative. He was very involved in this from the beginning, and I just don't buy that he knows nothing. Someone on that property knows something and saw something, IMO


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    Question because I can't recall: Does BD (not Brendan) have an alibi confirming he was in the trailer from 5 until whenever, sleeping/watching tv?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawny View Post
    Question because I can't recall: Does BD (not Brendan) have an alibi confirming he was in the trailer from 5 until whenever, sleeping/watching tv?
    In the dasey trial, the defense says that he helps steven clean the garage and helps with the bonfire, that starts at about 6-ish all the way to evening where barb calls for him to come home.

    Defense accepts that brendan was there to gather things for the fire, clean the garage, and tend to the bonfire.


    Prosecution contends that dassey was there much earlier as well, which is when they believe rape/murder would have occurred, with brendan bringing mail to steve's house and hearing her scream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxManning View Post
    In the dasey trial, the defense says that he helps steven clean the garage and helps with the bonfire, that starts at about 6-ish all the way to evening where barb calls for him to come home.

    Defense accepts that brendan was there to gather things for the fire, clean the garage, and tend to the bonfire.


    Prosecution contends that dassey was there much earlier as well, which is when they believe rape/murder would have occurred, with brendan bringing mail to steve's house and hearing her scream.
    Which Dassey are you talking about? I'm asking about Bobby (It's hard to only use initials when all them boys have the same initials LOL!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawny View Post
    Which Dassey are you talking about? I'm asking about Bobby (It's hard to only use initials when all them boys have the same initials LOL!)
    Omg I know I hate that they all have the same initials lol. I try to use BD to refer just to Bobby and call the other three by name. I am not certain if anyone can verify that BD was home that entire time. He was definitely home at 5, and no one says anything about him leaving. Bryan was there from about 5-7/730 and he doesn't mention BD leaving. It is mentioned that Blaine leaves, but nothing is said of BD. I'll search the docs and see if I can come up with anything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawny View Post
    Which Dassey are you talking about? I'm asking about Bobby (It's hard to only use initials when all them boys have the same initials LOL!)
    Yeah, I was confused!

    Bobby Dassey, changed his statement from before trial.

    Blaine also gave different testimony about bobby being home in avery and dassey trial.


    Bobby's alibi is scott tadych who see's him heading out to go hunting.


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    A Cold Case Expert Thinks 'Making A Murderer' May Be Tied To One Of The Most Prolific Serial Killers Ever
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    One of the most frustrating questions regarding the death of Teresa Halbach in Netflix’s crime documentary Making A Murderer is “If Steven Avery didn’t kill her, who did?” We’ve heard a couple of theories offered up by internet sleuths and Steven Avery himself, but there’s been nothing very conclusive – partially because the police did such a terrible job of following leads once they’d decided Avery was the killer. But former police sergeant and FBI cold case task force worker John Cameron thinks he knows who did it.

    According to Cameron, Edward Wayne Edwards was a serial killer that liked to set other people up for the crimes he committed and was obsessed with the media attention surrounding murder. Sometimes he would pick victims based on reports he read in newspapers. Other times his target would be the person being set up for murder, with the victim being almost inconsequential.

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    Here's a theory I thought up regarding the deleted voicemails:

    Depending on the time of these alleged voicemails (I don't remember specifically, if they had a time for the voicemails coming in and/or when they may have been deleted):

    I think MH and/or ex-bf called TH and left incriminating voicemails that placed them on the Avery property around the same time JC called in the tag #. It could have been something like, "Teresa, pick up the phone, it's me, I'm standing by your car and am worried about you" or something along those lines. Then, when JC swears them to secrecy regarding the key, the discovery of the vehicle, and trespassing, they realized they needed to somehow get rid of the voicemail(s) they left for her.

    Now, I do believe the theory about the vehicle being discovered on the property before it was "officially" discovered during the search. This stands alone, because it doesn't really confirm the guilt or innocence of SA.....I don't have an opinion on that part yet.

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    I saw this and thought I'd share. Please remove if not allowed.... https://www.yahoo.com/tv/cold-case-e...020034799.html

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    I watched a youtube video on the EWE theory yesterday. Very interesting. There is also a pic of an older man at a press conference that Cameron says might be EWE. New twist.

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    Not really and alternate theory per se, but I've been wondering if Teresa's ex-boyfriend ever junked a car at the Avery junkyard. Just wondering if he would be familiar with the layout, etc. I'm not sure if there is any way to find this out, but it would be interesting to know.

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