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View Poll Results: Is Steven Avery responsible for the murder of Teresa Halbach?

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  • He did it

    181 29.58%
  • Some other guy did it

    41 6.70%
  • Looks guilty at this point

    60 9.80%
  • Not guilty based on evidence I've seen thus far

    129 21.08%
  • Undecided, but believe new trial is in order

    192 31.37%
  • Undecided all around; more information required

    41 6.70%
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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by BethInAK View Post
    I don't actually see any evidence that Avery killed Halbach that I don't believe was planted. For the many of you who think he did it, which evidence do you think points to him?
    I'll pose the opposite question: for those who believe he is innocent, how do you believe Teresa ended up dead and burned on his property? That question specifically.
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    I doubt she was burned on his property. It make no sense, that she was burned on his property and then some of her remains were carried to various other sites. Every time I try to envision, just how SA could have killed her, moved her around, hid her car, cleaned up *whatever*, put her in the fire, and did all that he would've had to do, ( plus took a couple relaxed sounding calls from his incarcerated girl friend.), with no one seeing a thing, even though plenty of people knew she was there taking pictures...

    I can't see how that was possible. I mean, you have people who saw him before she got there, you have people who saw her there, taking pictures, you have people who saw him after she left...but no one saw anything when all this was going down? I find that very hard to believe. No one saw, heard, or smelled a thing? Really? How would that be possible?

    Because the crime didn't take place on his property. That's how.

    He's gonna kill someone, then have a big ol bon fire, roast marshmallows perhaps, call over family?!! There are just SO many better ways to dispose of a body, no matter your IQ.

    I mean really, how would that even work; there he is, tending the fire, and eventually he thinks to himself; hey this isn't working. I should move some of these remains... so he gets a burn barrel, puts her remains in it, puts them in a vehicle and yet not one person, saw any of this stuff... yeah. No. She wasn't killed there.
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    I’ve spent time in India, and there they do outside cremations. They smell *extremely* strongly – with a distinctive and unpleasant odor. I can’t believe anyone would actually burn body parts in a pit located a few dozen yards from where Barb and the kids lived (unless the whole family was in on it). If that’s the case, then it seems likely the body was burned at the gravel quarry (which would explain the blood stain from Teresa’s hair in the SUV), but then it seems fairly conclusive to me that the killer *can’t* be Steven – unless you can come up with a reason why anyone would burn a body a half mile away and then transfer most of the evidence back to a pit behind his house.

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    Throughout the TV show and since I have found myself between a rock and a hard place as tow whether he is guilty or not but I've ALWAYS terrible for Dassey. Either way - whether he is 100% innocent (which I think he is) or he was manipulated - I think he is a victim in this too.

    I have come to the conclusion that I do think both are innocent of the crime but I can see why other people would think otherwise.

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    Statistically when a woman is murdered it is MORE likely that a family member or intimate partner are the perpetrators more than 60% of the time.

    ” Although the overall risk of homicide for women was substantially lower than that of men (rate ratio [RR] = 0.27), their risk of being killed by a spouse or intimate acquaintance was higher (RR = 1.23). In contrast to men, the killing of a woman by a stranger was rare (RR = 0.18). More than twice as many women were shot and killed by their husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using guns, knives, or any other means” (source http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635092)

    I would hope that if I ever turn up missing, my husband would be questioned along with a myriad of other people I had recent close contact with. And that my husband, brother or any other civilian would not be escorted into the crime scene where my remains and other physical evidence will be found. No law or film school degree or police academy training needed to conclude that’s reasonable.

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    IMO I believe Brendan was coerced into giving the interrogators the answers they wanted to hear in order to use them against SA, to get a conviction. IF TH was murderer as BD suggested, her blood and/or DNA would have been found in SA's bedroom somewhere. There was absolutely none, not one speck. Matter of fact they didn't find BD's DNA either. I believe he is innocent and deserves another trial at the least.

    As for SA, I'm still undecided about whether he's innocent or guilty. A question I ask is, what was his motive for murdering TH? Sex? Wouldn't it be more logical for him to get a prostitute or visit his fiancée in jail? Doesn't it seem logical that he would be on the straight and narrow after doing 18 years in jail, he wouldn't take any risks of ending up back there? Seems to me that a couple of those officers who were involved in the 1985 rape case would have more reason to frame SA. There careers were on the line and IMO they had nothing to lose.

    Also IMO I believe the state still owes financial compensation for the 18 years SA wasted of his life in prison regardless of whether he is guilty or not for the murder of TH. Even if they compensated him enough to find legal representation of his choice. If and until he is given another trial, and if he is found innocent, then I believe the state should further financially compensate him. If he's found guilty, then at least he did receive some compensation for those 18 years he was unfairly held in prison. It's not right that he is broke and could not find decent legal representation. Thankfully a lawyer has stepped forward and has taken on him case.

    There were too many things that raised reasonable doubt in my mind through the ten Netflix episodes. One think I thought I would point out though that I think his defense may have gotten wrong is the test tube of blood. They suggest there is a needle hole in the rubber stopper of the test tube where someone could have extracted blood. In truth though, there is a needle inserted in the stopper as blood is being taken from donor. So unless there is a fail proof test developed to show there is EDTA in the swabs taken of SA's blood, from TH's vehicle, the punctured test tube stopper holds no water.

    ALL MOO.
    Rest in peace Tori, Tim and Jeremy.

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    I voted undecided but needs a new trial, although I am more of the opinion hes not guilty.

    I find it hard to believe that someone from a 'one branch family tree' would be 'clever' enough to kill someone, along with an unreliable nephew and not leave LOTS of DNA evidence around- in a home/garage that clearly hadn't been cleaned in years.

    The Sheriff had said it would have been easier to kill SA to get rid of him than plant evidence, I truly don't think in this case it would be too far fetched that LE came across TH already murdered in her car, burn and dispose of the body and 'hide' the car on the HUGE salvage yard land.

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    I cannot understand why anyone would think he is guilty... There was absolutely no blood found in that bedroom. I don't think the poor guy is the brightest bulb, so no way could he get rid of evidence of this crime the way they say it took place. This is so obviously a frame by those unscrupulous cops! No question in my mind at all! Put me on the next jury, and I will stick with my not guilty decision until I make it unanimous!

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    Dr. Phil covered SA's case Friday and today. I didn't realize it until after the fact on Friday. Will tune into Dr. Phil today for part two.
    Rest in peace Tori, Tim and Jeremy.

    "On May 6th, the devil led the vilest form of evil down my driveway and it smiled at me before it took Tim away." Good always triumphs over evil. Keep the faith, justice will prevail. .

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    Here's a link to watch Part 1 of the Dr. Phil Show on Making a Murderer, which aired on Friday Jan 15. I've not yet found a link to today's Part 2 episode.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Here's a link to watch Part 1 of the Dr. Phil Show on Making a Murderer, which aired on Friday Jan 15. I've not yet found a link to today's Part 2 episode.
    Thank you so kindly Madeleine
    Rest in peace Tori, Tim and Jeremy.

    "On May 6th, the devil led the vilest form of evil down my driveway and it smiled at me before it took Tim away." Good always triumphs over evil. Keep the faith, justice will prevail. .

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    Guilty! I'm all for letting innocent people go free but, this piece of **** is not one of them.

    Teresa was the perfect target for him. Too risky to go out in public and kidnap someone especially when he could get Teresa to come to him, at his home where he had total control...and privacy.

    He knew she was more intelligent than the women he had previously been in relationships with and that she was repulsed by him because...well...she was more intelligent than the women he had previously been in a relationship with. That's why he had to trick her and lie to Auto Trader about his identity.

    Her previous visit on the 10th October and the memory of him opening the door wearing a towel would have been fresh on her mind as she approached the ****hole he called home to get payment. If that creeped her out, imagine if she knew that just the day before, on 9th October, he purchased handcuffs and leg restraints. I fully believe she was supposed to die on the 10th October but she got the heck out of there in time. Unfortunately, just three weeks later, she wasn't getting away. He had help this time. His 16yr old, but big in stature, nephew.

    RIP Teresa, they are being punished for what they did and no documentary of lies will change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peppermintswirlz View Post
    Statistically when a woman is murdered it is MORE likely that a family member or intimate partner are the perpetrators more than 60% of the time.

    ” Although the overall risk of homicide for women was substantially lower than that of men (rate ratio [RR] = 0.27), their risk of being killed by a spouse or intimate acquaintance was higher (RR = 1.23). In contrast to men, the killing of a woman by a stranger was rare (RR = 0.18). More than twice as many women were shot and killed by their husband or intimate acquaintance than were murdered by strangers using guns, knives, or any other means” (source http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635092)

    I would hope that if I ever turn up missing, my husband would be questioned along with a myriad of other people I had recent close contact with. And that my husband, brother or any other civilian would not be escorted into the crime scene where my remains and other physical evidence will be found. No law or film school degree or police academy training needed to conclude that’s reasonable.
    And that leaves a whopping 40% who are not killed by a family or intimate partner.

    Statistics really doesn't mean anything to the individual murdered victim.

    Just like it didn't when Amanda Blackburn, The Petit female family members or countless of other females who were killed by someone outside of their family or intimate partner.

    The stats I have seen usually includes 'acquaintance' along with family members or S.O. and Theresa was acquainted with him since he had specifically been asking for her each time to come his junk yard. So Avery was known to her before he murdered her. Just like other females in the past have been murdered by someone in their neighborhood even a next door neighbor they knew casually.
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    Peppermintswirlz, I noticed in your link that it was written in 1992 when overall crime rates where much higher than they are now. Intimate partner homicides have actually dropped significantly in the past several years.

    Here is one written in 2014

    A Third Of All Women Murdered In The U.S. Are Killed By Male Partners

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_5927140.html

    This is inline with what I have read lately when it comes to husbands, boyfriends or exes, etc being the offender. The last stat I read it was around 33% committed by intimate partners, and even that number is dropping. When I have time I will find the latest one available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limaes View Post
    Guilty! I'm all for letting innocent people go free but, this piece of **** is not one of them.

    Teresa was the perfect target for him. Too risky to go out in public and kidnap someone especially when he could get Teresa to come to him, at his home where he had total control...and privacy.

    He knew she was more intelligent than the women he had previously been in relationships with and that she was repulsed by him because...well...she was more intelligent than the women he had previously been in a relationship with. That's why he had to trick her and lie to Auto Trader about his identity.

    Her previous visit on the 10th October and the memory of him opening the door wearing a towel would have been fresh on her mind as she approached the ****hole he called home to get payment. If that creeped her out, imagine if she knew that just the day before, on 9th October, he purchased handcuffs and leg restraints. I fully believe she was supposed to die on the 10th October but she got the heck out of there in time. Unfortunately, just three weeks later, she wasn't getting away. He had help this time. His 16yr old, but big in stature, nephew.

    RIP Teresa, they are being punished for what they did and no documentary of lies will change that.
    Gosh I must've fallen asleep or something when I watched the documentary....where are you getting the information about the handcuffs & towel, etc and Teresa visiting on Oct 9th ? If he answered the door wearing just a towel, wouldn't you think that would freak her out? Why would she go back to that property?

    *confused*
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