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View Poll Results: Brendan Dassy: Guilty of Teresa Halbach rape, torture, and murder?

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  • He was an accomplice

    33 9.71%
  • He assisted in covering up the crime

    21 6.18%
  • He didn't help but may have seen something

    27 7.94%
  • Probably not guilty, his confession was coerced

    103 30.29%
  • Not guilty, full stop, his conviction should be vacated

    126 37.06%
  • Undecided, but believe new trial is in order

    48 14.12%
  • Undecided all around, more information needed

    19 5.59%
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  1. #46
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    My sons IQ is the same as BA's ... No doubt in my mind this boy is innocent! One thing I find is it seems they "can't" lie.. They are not good liars.. Well, my son is not anywAy.. Also. You can get my son (13 now) to tell you his hair is blonde although it is brown.. All you have to do is raise your voice and look at him sternly he will tell you anything you want to hear.. Kills me that THIS could happen to him..
    I think they all should be charged with abusing BA.. All the way up to the Judge... I believe the Judge is in the prosecution pocket..
    if you have any questions on what it is like to raise a child with 71% IQ.. I can try to answer you (on how my son would react or respond)

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    I too have experience with a low IQ child. My brother, now deceased, had an IQ maybe a couple points higher than BD. He could read and he could write and he could do simple math, but his reasoning skills were greatly affected, he was like an eternal 14 yr old, and he never seemed to understand or anticipate consequences of his actions. He was able to live alone as an adult, but needed supervision as he could not be trusted to handle money.

    However, he absolutely could lie and, in fact, did on several occasions. I was an eyewitness to his lying. He knew right from wrong, he knew a lie from the truth, though he was also easily led and manipulated by others because he would trust people even when they hurt him. He figured out that lying would buy him some time if he was in trouble. Eventually the truth would come out though, it always did.

    Blanket statements, as if everyone who has a similar IQ has the exact same capabilities in all areas of their cognitive abilities is simply false. People are unique and even those with lower IQs are unique with differing abilities. And yes, someone with an IQ below 80 can lie, depending on the person. So, unless any of us personally know BD and have seen any tests done on him, it's time to put away the "BD would never do that..." statements.

    { And before someone jumps down my throat here, no I would most certainly not have ever wanted my brother to face a police interrogation. I'm quite clear about that. He never did, thank goodness. I have stated on several occasions I do not think BD should have been alone when questioned/interrogated by police and I've also gone on record there should be guidelines in place across the country that every police jurisdiction has to follow where minors and cognitively challenged people should have a guardian or legal counsel with them }.
    Last edited by Madeleine74; 02-20-2016 at 10:37 PM.

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    Sorry, you no longer have your brother.
    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    I too have experience with a low IQ child. My brother, now deceased, had an IQ maybe a couple points higher than BD. He could read and he could write and he could do simple math, but his reasoning skills were greatly affected, he was like an eternal 14 yr old, and he never seemed to understand or anticipate consequences of his actions. He was able to live alone as an adult, but needed supervision as he could not be trusted to handle money.

    However, he absolutely could lie and, in fact, did on several occasions. I was an eyewitness to his lying. He knew right from wrong, he knew a lie from the truth, though he was also easily led and manipulated by others because he would trust people even when they hurt him. He figured out that lying would buy him some time if he was in trouble. Eventually the truth would come out though, it always did.

    Blanket statements, as if everyone who has a similar IQ has the exact same capabilities in all areas of their cognitive abilities is simply false. People are unique and even those with lower IQs are unique with differing abilities. And yes, someone with an IQ below 80 can lie, depending on the person. So, unless any of us personally know BD and have seen any tests done on him, it's time to put away the "BD would never do that..." statements.

    { And before someone jumps down my throat here, no I would most certainly not have ever wanted my brother to face a police interrogation. I'm quite clear about that. He never did, thank goodness. I have stated on several occasions I do not think BD should have been alone when questioned/interrogated by police and I've also gone on record there should be guidelines in place across the country that every police jurisdiction has to follow where minors and cognitively challenged people should have a guardian or legal counsel with them }.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    I too have experience with a low IQ child. My brother, now deceased, had an IQ maybe a couple points higher than BD. He could read and he could write and he could do simple math, but his reasoning skills were greatly affected, he was like an eternal 14 yr old, and he never seemed to understand or anticipate consequences of his actions. He was able to live alone as an adult, but needed supervision as he could not be trusted to handle money.

    However, he absolutely could lie and, in fact, did on several occasions. I was an eyewitness to his lying. He knew right from wrong, he knew a lie from the truth, though he was also easily led and manipulated by others because he would trust people even when they hurt him. He figured out that lying would buy him some time if he was in trouble. Eventually the truth would come out though, it always did.

    Blanket statements, as if everyone who has a similar IQ has the exact same capabilities in all areas of their cognitive abilities is simply false. People are unique and even those with lower IQs are unique with differing abilities. And yes, someone with an IQ below 80 can lie, depending on the person. So, unless any of us personally know BD and have seen any tests done on him, it's time to put away the "BD would never do that..." statements.

    { And before someone jumps down my throat here, no I would most certainly not have ever wanted my brother to face a police interrogation. I'm quite clear about that. He never did, thank goodness. I have stated on several occasions I do not think BD should have been alone when questioned/interrogated by police and I've also gone on record there should be guidelines in place across the country that every police jurisdiction has to follow where minors and cognitively challenged people should have a guardian or legal counsel with them }.
    When I said "can't lie" - I meant he would be caught lying.. As he can't make up a good or reasonable lie to go with his action... Hope that makes more sense...

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    Surely Brendan - or anyone else - should have been arrested and processed according to the law of the land. AT THE POINT OF HIS ARREST AND SUBSEQUENT TREATMENT he should have been accorded his rights. He wasn't.

    FWIW I do not believe a minor is capable of understanding anything when suddenly hit up by LE. We've all seen the film. But from the very first moment he was cuffed, Brendan was denied his rights. IMHO.

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    It's a known fact that LE in the US and else where for that matter will plant evidence to make a charge stick.This could happen to anyone at anytime,how can you trust the crown prosecutor in this case,look what he got dumped for,sexting what a piece of work.that whole case is a set up,let them out of jail......

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    In the transcripts of Brendan's questioning where there's just a blank space, is that something that's been redacted? Sometimes there's a "......." and sometimes there's a blank where it seems like the detectives respond to something he said afterwards. If it's redacted, any idea why?

    Couple of examples -Screen Shot 2016-03-21 at 7.37.43 PM.pngScreen Shot 2016-03-21 at 7.38.30 PM.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by zerbert View Post
    In the transcripts of Brendan's questioning where there's just a blank space, is that something that's been redacted? Sometimes there's a "......." and sometimes there's a blank where it seems like the detectives respond to something he said afterwards. If it's redacted, any idea why?

    Couple of examples -
    I'm guessing it might have something to do with him being a minor.

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    Police Officers need to be given more credit for the job they do. Here we had a missing girl, last seen on someones property, scheduled to meet one of the suspects, who's remains were found right next to his house.

    In the immediate days afterwards, not under caution, both the main suspect and his alleged accomplice, talk to officers about what they know. If both of them are really innocent, then the narrative they are clearly trying to establish would not be needed. They were both lying to O'Neill in the Marinette County interviews, and given that a girl was missing, the police were right to try and get to the bottom of it.

    I don't think the emails are that damning really. Prosecutors know they did it and need to prove it. Brendan shot himself in the foot in his very first interview. Not co-erced. not under caution. He just lied and trotted out his Uncle's mantra about TH being there 5 minutes.

    The attempt at a plea bargain was hindered by Dassey himself. Misplaced loyalty to an Uncle that was controlling him before the police got near him.

    Both of them guilty in my humble opinion.
    We are not all born equal so Justice always has to be.

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    I think those "......" are just when BD didn't respond. There is corresponding videotapes to these transcripts, and as far as I know, there is nothing "edited" out, although I have read concerns over the tapes being edited, but not in the way your quote is zerbert.


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    I don't doubt this for a minute. In fact, you now have me wanting to dig deeper, into cases where this has happened in the past. I'm sure it has to be documented somewhere.
    Quote Originally Posted by canadaman View Post
    It's a known fact that LE in the US and else where for that matter will plant evidence to make a charge stick.This could happen to anyone at anytime,how can you trust the crown prosecutor in this case,look what he got dumped for,sexting what a piece of work.that whole case is a set up,let them out of jail......

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    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    I think those "......" are just when BD didn't respond. There is corresponding videotapes to these transcripts, and as far as I know, there is nothing "edited" out, although I have read concerns over the tapes being edited, but not in the way your quote is zerbert.
    I agree that the "...." is when he was silent, but sometimes there's just a blank space, so I was wondering about that, why they wouldn't indicate a non-response, if that's what it was, since they indicate it sometimes. I just haven't had the time to listen to the interviews while reading the transcripts to see if there's something missing from the audio or if it was just a sloppy transcription. I've seen some people post that the timestamp makes a jump at certain times, so I guess neither one would surprise me much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zerbert View Post
    I SNIPPED BY ME I just haven't had the time to listen to the interviews while reading the transcripts to see if there's something missing from the audio or if it.
    Once you have mate, then you will get a different feel of how the MaM producers, wanted you to think about how BD was treated. He answered some questions really quickly, at one point, robotically telling the cops what he has been told to say. It completely turns on its head that he was being led by them. If he was led by anyone in this, it was SA.

    They start by asking him other questions about what was going on, and he volunteers information about a row between his Mum & SA. ALARM BELL - Steven never mentioned this. That he saw Steven when he got home and he was working. ALARM BELL - Steven said he wasn't working. The fact his Mum wouldn't let him have a Bonfire round the back of SA's on Thursday because of the argument. ALARM BELL - SA never mentions this. Planning a fire in a Burn Pit on a scrap yard, a few days after a girl is last seen on that very same scrap yard..... DING DING DING DING!

    He mentions rape, without being prompted, He mentions the lawsuit, without being prompted. He mentions that TH's family might have planted the car, without being prompted. Obviously, he suggests the Police potentially framing SA, that goes without saying.

    The speed of his responses is in stark contrast to when he is being interviewed formally, when he knows he is Goosed. So as he sits in the car, what he is saying to O'Neill, who at this point, is just interviewing on behalf of another county, begins to unravel as things get checked. That is why the car door keeps opening. Other officers are making calls and trying to validate that what BD says happened, is plausible.

    An example is that he gets off the Bus at 345 with Blaine. The police say that they are going to check the story with Blaine. All of a sudden BD realises he has to say that he has seen her or the RAV4, because he knows that Blaine, who is not involved, could give a different version.

    Now there are other kids on the Bus who might have seen something, possibly the Bus Driver. Maybe other people did not seen anything, but he doesn't know for sure. What he does know, is that he has no idea if the police have spoken to someone who has seen either TH or her RAV4 and has given a different version.

    BD's first story including sight of TH is that she was there for 5 minutes, then she left. I am no detective, but my first thought would be how does he know this? He did not get home until 345 as he was at school. SA said she was there between 2 & 230. Immediate Red Flag. He is either being told to say this (therefore is lying,) or he did see her, (which also means he is lying about not seeing her.) Either way, what SA said to police, needs to be looked at further as he is the one that said she left before BD got home from school (2-230.) So guess what, he could be lying too.

    Add to that the selective memory SA has on certain things. (What TH was wearing, what she looked like, the colour & length of her hair, the type of car she was driving.) Contrasted with the clear memory he had on the denomination of notes he gave her & that the clothes in his trunk where definitely not the ones he was wearing that day. (Despite not being able to recall what he actually was wearing on the Monday.)

    I see it as the police trying to find a missing person and all they had to go on to begin with, was the last person she was known to have met that day. It is not quite Occam's Razor, but it did not take a genius to work out that what SA & BD said did not make sense and there was a simpler explanation than someone else other than people living on Avery's land, being involved..
    We are not all born equal so Justice always has to be.

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    Brendan Dassey: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's rape, torture, and murder?

    I have mixed feelings about Brendan's story/case. It makes me sad to know a young man / kid could be innocent and serving time for his version of how this played out. I truly hope that if he wasn't given a fair trial that they make it right. Obviously MAM was one sided, but it left me feeling sad for B.

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    I think Brendan was involved. When he was talking to his mom, she said, "Well, did you do it?" (paraphrased) and he responded, "Not ALL of it." Why would a mother who knew her son was incapable of raping and murdering someone ask him if he did it? And why would he say, "Not all of it."? I do believe Steven Avery is guilty, so that might cloud my feelings about Brendan, but he confessed initially.
    Also, his mother DID have the opportunity to be there during questioning and she declined. I agree he likely had some coercion, but I also believe he was involved. Many confessions are received by "pressuring" the interviewee. I don't think most people willingly confess to a crime they had nothing to do with.
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