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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxManning View Post
    You realize that the bones weren't found until the week of 11/5 right ?

    There was also a bone found at the quarry site and in the Janda burn barrel, suggesting moving of bones.

    What exactly suggests to you that the bones couldn't have been further burned 11/1 - 11/4 ?

    Well by the 3rd they were walking through his house so it would have been 11/1 to 11/3. Remember the cops were out by him by evening of Nov 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticFringe View Post
    I have read here and on other forums that if Teresa's body had actually been burning in the pit behind Steven's home why had no one smelled her body being burned?

    Is it safe to guess that the rubber tires could have masked the smell...along with other things being burnt?I do not know as I have never smelled a burning body.I also assume that the other family members had their windows closed as it was Oct 31st in Wisconsin.Can't imagine windows or doors being open.
    Burning tires would definitely help mask the smell of a burning body. I don't question that there was a fire in the salvage yard or that there were things the average person wouldn't put into a fire. You salvage what you can from the cars and dispose of the rest.

    What I find convenient (not interpreting much more than that) is that the victim happened to be burned around the same time that a bonfire was happening at the Avery property. That's adding another level to the conspiracy if SA is innocent beyond just dumping a body on the property. Has any evidence been presented, one way or the other, as to whether there was evidence of burning at the quarry or just dumping?

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    Is it a possibility that he did kill her but he didn't do it at his place. that he took her to the quarry and did the deed there, it did back up into the yard. Then left the evidence there and the cops moved the evidence back making it harder to prove he did when they were hoping it would be easier to prove it if everything was found on his land. Also whose blood was found at the quarry pile? Unknown blood from a man on item CX in the Culhane report.

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    The problem with the prosecution's view that Ms. Halbach was burned in the burn pit behind SA's garage:


    What's the smell of burning human flesh?

    Police in Houston said on Saturday that the remains of a woman who had been strangled by her ex-boyfriend may have been burned over a barbecue on his balcony. * Neighbors said they noticed an awful, acrid odor coming from the grills for two days. What does burning human flesh smell like?

    [...]

    It's easier to recognize the smell than to describe it. Emergency workers and survivors of war atrocities say charred flesh simply smells like nothing else. The scent is nauseating and sweet, putrid and steaky, or something like leather being tanned over a flame. The smell can be so thick and rich that it's almost a taste. (Anthropologists and journalists have written about what it's like to eat human flesh.) J.D. Salinger, who helped liberate concentration camps in World War II, told his daughter, "You never really get the smell of burning flesh out of your nose entirely. No matter how long you live."


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    The bones that I saw on TV were pretty small fragments. Is there any detailed, believable account as to how they got that way? They must have had to cut the body up before putting it in the fire. When and how did they do that? The the next dat the bones probably would have been smashed in to the small pieces we saw. Did anybody see him smashing anything at the fire pit? Why wouldn't he have collected all the bones and dumped them somewhere that they'd never be found? Just seems odd that he can clean his house of her trace of TH, yet he leaves her bones out there in the open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andreww View Post
    The bones that I saw on TV were pretty small fragments. Is there any detailed, believable account as to how they got that way? They must have had to cut the body up before putting it in the fire. When and how did they do that? The the next dat the bones probably would have been smashed in to the small pieces we saw. Did anybody see him smashing anything at the fire pit? Why wouldn't he have collected all the bones and dumped them somewhere that they'd never be found? Just seems odd that he can clean his house of her trace of TH, yet he leaves her bones out there in the open.
    I was struck by how fragmented those bones were too. I've had a lot of pit fires, camp fires ect and I know that chopping around hard, with a shovel can have a similar effect on tree branches and stuff, but they didn't look chard enough, to me, (at least some of them didn't ) to have that effect, the splinters, looked so different, from the rest of the remains, if she was completely burned inside a barrel or other container, with really forcefull shovel chopping, then I could see it producing that result... I don't know, I was just puzzled by that also.

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    This is something I came across while looking to see if there had been any other unknown murders that included a burnt corpse. Thought maybe there could be a serial killer on the loose, What i did come across was this article stemming from a burning of a corpse in Wisconsin. I am not saying that he is suspect or anything. but what I did find interesting was this one comment.

    "County investigators along with workers from the Rock County Coroner's office have spent the day at the scene looking for evidence."
    This was even before they found the bones on the property.

    http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/...229921881.html

    He to burned a body in a fire pit behind his home. This may sound morbid, but I wonder what the difference is between the victim in this case and the remains of TH are, if any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticJynx View Post
    This is something I came across while looking to see if there had been any other unknown murders that included a burnt corpse. Thought maybe there could be a serial killer on the loose, What i did come across was this article stemming from a burning of a corpse in Wisconsin. I am not saying that he is suspect or anything. but what I did find interesting was this one comment.

    "County investigators along with workers from the Rock County Coroner's office have spent the day at the scene looking for evidence."
    This was even before they found the bones on the property.

    http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/...229921881.html

    He to burned a body in a fire pit behind his home. This may sound morbid, but I wonder what the difference is between the victim in this case and the remains of TH are, if any.
    They say he had to fed the fire for 2 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticJynx View Post
    This is something I came across while looking to see if there had been any other unknown murders that included a burnt corpse. Thought maybe there could be a serial killer on the loose, What i did come across was this article stemming from a burning of a corpse in Wisconsin. I am not saying that he is suspect or anything. but what I did find interesting was this one comment.

    "County investigators along with workers from the Rock County Coroner's office have spent the day at the scene looking for evidence."
    This was even before they found the bones on the property.

    http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/...229921881.html

    He to burned a body in a fire pit behind his home. This may sound morbid, but I wonder what the difference is between the victim in this case and the remains of TH are, if any.
    That's some interesting reading. I found a few other things of interest...

    Middleton's story is that he panicked, a strange claim as he then admits to carefully cleaning his home of all evidence of Aprina being there and hiding her body. Then, while his fiancée went into town to buy supplies to make s'mores, he placed Aprina's body in a fire pit that he dug for this purpose, covered her with wood and kerosene, and set her remains on fire. He and his fiancée sat by the fire until midnight, presumably roasting marshmallows. Middleton burned Aprina's remains for three days.
    A search warrant (HERE, 5 page pdf) resulted in officers seizing over 100 items including: a chainsaw, tools, women's makeup, fixtures, material from the burn pit, sixteen possible teeth,a bag of marijuana and many other items. What else was found?
    http://wethepeopledanecounty.blogspo...aul-media.html

    Bones and bone fragments recovered from the fire pit will be examined this week, Rock County Coroner Jenifer Keach said.
    http://www.gazettextra.com/article/2...CLES/131109917

    Hmmm... Three days to burn her body which still resulted in full bones as well as bone fragments and at least half of her teeth.

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    RE: the articles above:
    didn't one of the articles also say that a neighbor said the fire was going constantly for days... it was going when they went to bed at night, still going in the morning when they woke up and all day.

    interesting that you point out that about her teeth sinsaint.... how many of TH's teeth were found?


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    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    RE: the articles above:
    didn't one of the articles also say that a neighbor said the fire was going constantly for days... it was going when they went to bed at night, still going in the morning when they woke up and all day.

    interesting that you point out that about her teeth sinsaint.... how many of TH's teeth were found?
    I apparently have to type a bunch of stuff So... Just one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinsaint View Post
    I apparently have to type a bunch of stuff So... Just one.
    LOL
    thanks! I thought so, but wasn't sure. ugggh the more I read and look into this case the more I am having a hard time believing SA did this. *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticFringe View Post
    I have read here and on other forums that if Teresa's body had actually been burning in the pit behind Steven's home why had no one smelled her body being burned?

    Is it safe to guess that the rubber tires could have masked the smell...along with other things being burnt?I do not know as I have never smelled a burning body.I also assume that the other family members had their windows closed as it was Oct 31st in Wisconsin.Can't imagine windows or doors being open.
    I would think that a burning body would smell like a barbeque - cooking meat, no? Rubber tires and hair might smell bad, acrid and cover that smell but I don't imagine burning human smells worse than burning cow or pig, right?
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    Avery denied doing anything Halloween night. He never mentioned he had a bonfire. He claimed he was watching TV after eating dinner at his mom's house. This was during his interview with police after they picked him up on the felony weapons charge. He talked to them for a couple hours or so, off and on. Said nothing about working on a vehicle in his garage in which he "spilled" something that needed to be cleaned up, said nothing about seeing his nephew that night, said nothing about his fires. I read the transcript of his interview with police from that day (Nov 9th or whatever the day they took him in).

    Why was Avery hiding these activities from police? Makes one think something hinky was going on and that's why he chose to lie about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Avery denied doing anything Halloween night. He never mentioned he had a bonfire. He claimed he was watching TV after eating dinner at his mom's house. This was during his interview with police after they picked him up on the felony weapons charge. He talked to them for a couple hours or so, off and on. Said nothing about working on a vehicle in his garage in which he "spilled" something that needed to be cleaned up, said nothing about seeing his nephew that night, said nothing about his fires. I read the transcript of his interview with police from that day (Nov 9th or whatever the day they took him in).

    Why was Avery hiding these activities from police? Makes one think something hinky was going on and that's why he chose to lie about it.
    Madeleine - do you have a link for the Avery police transcripts ? TIA ...

    DEFENDANT IS A LIAR + DEFENDANT'S KID GOES MISSING + DEFENDANT REPORTS KID MISSING AFTER 31 DAYS + KID IS FOUND DEAD = DEFENDANT KILLED KID

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