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    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...No-Discussion*

    there is a timeline thread Steph. Might be a good start if you have found conflicting information for what is in there, that is not a discussion thread, but I'm sure you could start one or have a mod start one I think part of the problem is that times don't always match up, if BD was home still when the other 2 came home from school.... he couldn't have left as early as he said, etc.

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    Perfect I had not seen the extensive timeline! I am going to try and use that to find inconsistencies (I'm sure there will be a million once someone starts going thru Brendan's statements with a careful eye) thanks that is a great starting point


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    Quote Originally Posted by stephsb View Post
    Agree about the time- with so many comings and goings, I really am struggling with how someone didn't see anything. I'd love to know actually what Dolores and her husband saw, if anything. I don't at all believe they are involved, but did they see anything unusual, and what were they doing?

    At this point, because of time discrepancies, I am most concerned with where CA was, since he was unaccounted for completely, but on the property. I feel as if most of this had to occur before 5 for sure, as that is when Barb is on the property, and I don't feel shed protect her family members at Brendan's expense. This would eliminate RF, as he's first arriving at that time.

    I think the crucial window is 3-5, possibly as wide as 245-5. If I was investigating, id be trying to verify the locations of CA, EA, BD, ST, and Steven for sure. I would have treated Blaine, Brendan, Bryan, Barb, RF, and the Avery parents as people who's locations should have been given not because they are suspects, but because they were on/around the property during the crucial times, or could verify the locations of others.

    I am going to try and start putting together a rough timeline, although I expect this to be an extremely time consuming task.


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    We don't know much about Chuck or Earl's activity, but I think it's possible to glean from other things that we know that Chuck and Earl are the ones in the customer buildings and might have been working that day assisting customers. It was a Monday, so I'd expect that they might be working and therefore that might rule them out for the critical time period. 2:45 - 5:00pm

    Bobby and Scott are a bit more free wheeling in all this as both of them are potentially near teresa at 2:45 - 5:00 -- there is no iron clad alibi there. So if a suv did leave the property like the propane guy suggested. Who could of that been ? Bobby ? Scott ? Chuck ? Earl ? -- or teresa by herself ?

    I keep mentioning the propane guy, and I'm not saying I'm confident of his sighting. Just kind of questioning the possibilities, if that was her suv he saw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...No-Discussion*

    there is a timeline thread Steph. Might be a good start if you have found conflicting information for what is in there, that is not a discussion thread, but I'm sure you could start one or have a mod start one I think part of the problem is that times don't always match up, if BD was home still when the other 2 came home from school.... he couldn't have left as early as he said, etc.

    That timeline doesn't include the testimony of Blaine that Bobby was home when he got home from school , there is video from avery trial stating that.

    The propane guy on the timeline needs to be 3:30-4:00 -- Because he gives a range, but doesn't specify when he saw the suv leaving - or exactly where he was for that matter.

    In Dassey trial, Blaine's boss testifies and made a statement that differs possibly in avery trial -- But he says that he called in the 5:30-6:00 range and talked to Brendan and was told Blaine was gone.

    Blaine in Dassey trial notes that he saw someone about the size of steve avery tending to a bon fire when he got home at 11:00-ish - odd that he is not sure who he was, in the dassey trial, but they make reference he was sure in avery trial



    It could get confusing because we know that the narratives for prosecution and even defense differ for dassey and avery trials. But I think it's best to note both statements, as both are possible.

    I also think that the first statement you give in a trial, is likely more reliable. If you change, I start to get alot more suspicious and will likely believe the first one. That's just me, but I'd hope you could all agree that after more details are out, it's alot easier to try and make times make sense for your narrative rather than the truth. What someone says when they don't have a reason to lie, is important imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephsb View Post
    Perfect I had not seen the extensive timeline! I am going to try and use that to find inconsistencies (I'm sure there will be a million once someone starts going thru Brendan's statements with a careful eye) thanks that is a great starting point

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxManning View Post
    We don't know much about Chuck or Earl's activity, but I think it's possible to glean from other things that we know that Chuck and Earl are the ones in the customer buildings and might have been working that day assisting customers. It was a Monday, so I'd expect that they might be working and therefore that might rule them out for the critical time period. 2:45 - 5:00pm

    Bobby and Scott are a bit more free wheeling in all this as both of them are potentially near teresa at 2:45 - 5:00 -- there is no iron clad alibi there. So if a suv did leave the property like the propane guy suggested. Who could of that been ? Bobby ? Scott ? Chuck ? Earl ? -- or teresa by herself ?

    I keep mentioning the propane guy, and I'm not saying I'm confident of his sighting. Just kind of questioning the possibilities, if that was her suv he saw.
    CA has no alibi according to Avery's appeal. I would imagine even if one or both of them were working, it wouldn't be hard for them to get away if they needed to. Fabian did state he arrived a little before 5PM, and at that time EA was working, so you definitely could be correct there. I have found nothing that states what CA was doing during the time.

    IF the propane guys sighting of the SUV is legit, and the sighting was between 3:30-4 that would eliminate BD, unless Brendan and Blaine are lying about BD being home and asleep when they got home at 3:45. The rest of them are all fair game IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephsb View Post
    CA has no alibi according to Avery's appeal. I would imagine even if one or both of them were working, it wouldn't be hard for them to get away if they needed to. Fabian did state he arrived a little before 5PM, and at that time EA was working, so you definitely could be correct there. I have found nothing that states what CA was doing during the time.

    IF the propane guys sighting of the SUV is legit, and the sighting was between 3:30-4 that would eliminate BD, unless Brendan and Blaine are lying about BD being home and asleep when they got home at 3:45. The rest of them are all fair game IMO.
    Agreed. I am speculating completely about EA, RF, CA. Where do you see Fabian's statements ?

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    Avery's Appeal, the 2010 one, in the Statement of Facts section. All it says is that he arrived at the junkyard a little before 5pm and EA was working.

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    OK – Bringing a few bits and pieces over to contribute here because it’s quite hard to discuss them properly in the confines of either of the ‘guilty / not guilty’ threads.
    I admit that I STILL haven’t got up enough motivation to look in detail into the latest information in the cell phones thread (frankly it really hurts my head) but there may be something here that helps with confirming her final movements.

    The sighting of her photographing the cow called into the tip line :

    It’s mentioned in the Remiker/Weigart phone call that can be found here : http://stevenaverycase.com/phone-cal....ELa1wH1T.dpbs

    Wiegert: I did get a call last night, there was a Knutsen, from Valders actually said she... she claims... she left she left me a voicemail which I haven't got, dispatch called me, she claimed, allegedly...she claims... she was on her way home and sees Teresa... and she sees Teresa pulled over taking a picture of a cow.
    Remiker: Huh...she know Teresa?
    Wiegert: No just seen on the news.. all this kind of crap, I'm going to get my ducks in a row and drive up to Valders


    Not sure that we have any more than that and I can’t find any details about it being followed up.
    I've found two interesting (potentially) related pieces though.


    1) Already posted elsewhere, but this 2005 article adds potential credibility to the sighting
    : http://host.madison.com/news/local/f...ign=user-share

    Relevant section :
    "I'll never forget her genuineness, her sincerity, and how she honestly loved people," Kluth said Saturday. "And she was such a faithful friend. I remember once I had to visit dairy farms for my job and I called Teresa and asked if she would go along and take some photographs. And there she was with her camera tromping through manure with me. It was just so cool to have a friend like that, who would laugh and say, I don't care where we are or what we're doing, I'm with you and that's what is important.' "

    It seems such a bizarre activity for TH to have been sighted doing even with her farming upbringing, but the above lends it a bit more credibility IMO. I can imagine her thinking her friend might get a kick out of seeing such a photo especially if it was a particular breed or reminiscent of something from back at that time. Kind of : “Hey, I spotted this and I thought of you. Remember when we were out on those dairy farms, tromping through manure to photograph those cows”

    2) From SA’s 2009 appeal.

    Part 1 : http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wkow/...nts%201-22.pdf
    Part 2 : http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wkow/...e%2023%20+.pdf

    Page 51/52 (in the context of CA ‘harrassing’ female customers)

    The same Sheriff Department’s report contains a statement by Judith Knutsen that she bought a part for her car through the Avery Salvage Yard. A few months later in October of 2005 the Avery business towed her car. On October 30 2005 Knutsen’s supervisor gave her a note that she should go to the property the next day to pick up the belongings from her car. She did not go. On November 2 2005 she phoned the business and spoke with Charles Avery. Charles told her that he had been to her house the previous day to drop off her belongings and then proceeded to ask Knutsen out for dinner. She refused. Then on November 4 2005 Charles went to Knutsen’s home with her personal belongings which he said he had sorted from her car.

    Could this be the same Knutsen who saw TH photographing the cow or is it just a strange coincidence?
    This is completely new to me, so although a few thoughts immediately come to mind, I haven’t really formed a strong opinion yet.
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    I don't think we have more than what you put in your post about the "cow sighting" Sarah. I also agree that the story her friend told to the journalist lends some truth to the sighting. Although.... being a 'farm' girl and a photographer.... I would not be surprised to find out that she pulled over to take pictures all the time, not just to photograph animals, but the landscape... the sun... etc. I've lived in the prairies my whole life... and sometimes when we are driving, the wildlife and landscape or sunrise/sunset gives me that feeling of awe.... and hubby takes pics all the time, and he's not a photographer lol

    I would like to see more of that report.... and we might just be able too.... SkippTopp commented on reddit that he is waiting for the Calumet County report. If I understand correctly.... it will be the ongoing report from officers, which should include some information about this and other interviews conducted by Calumet officers. On that note... another poster from reddit, and she has a website (the one that has the recorded calls), requested more calls and some other information and was denied after Calumet county Sheriff's Dept consulted with the DOJ (basically saying they didn't think it was a good idea to open any evidence and make copies knowing that there is upcoming legal action) interesting, right? LOL

    Knutsen.... I'm not sure how many are in the area, and if there is one thing I have learned while researching this case, it is that just because they have the same last name, they may not know each other... but then again, they could be sisters or the same person LOL It would be very coincidental if it is the same person though.


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    After I posted the above post, I went over to the other place where I read..... SkippTopp just posted that some of his requests have been denied too and posted a copy of the letter he received...

    http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...e_redacted.pdf

    He IS getting the November 4th flyover DVD though!!! My guess is that they did not get good footage of the yard though because I can't believe that neither side used it if they could see (or not see) the RAV4.... but anything is possible LOL

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    I believe the sighting of the girl photographing a cow was mistaken identity. Can't think why she would do that considering there were plenty on her parents dairy farm.

    There is legal action pending in this case so it is perfectly understandable why they wouldn't want to be releasing evidence to Joe Schmoe.

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    It is interesting going back over topics since the release of the CASO Docs.

    The Propane Guy (DV) was at AA & DA's filling the tank at 1-1.30pm.

    The bus driver (LB) Went to the command post on the 7th to report she had seen a woman taking photos but could not recall what day. Only that it was either Mon, Tue or Wed at approximately 3.30pm. She also claimed it (the van) was parked at the intersection.

    Robert Fabian and EA both state independantly that he arrived at the Salvage Yard at around 4.30pm.

    It still remains that BoD was the last person (other than SA) to see Teresa alive at approximately 2.45. This fits with what she told DP at 2.27pm. She was on her way to the Avery Salvage Yard and she was never seen again.

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    Two different propane guys. One filling Avery's propane (did not testify) Propane guy that said that he saw the SUV was filling his truck at the end of Avery Road, near the highway. (did testify)

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    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    Two different propane guys. One filling Avery's propane (did not testify) Propane guy that said that he saw the SUV was filling his truck at the end of Avery Road, near the highway. (did testify)
    *forehead slap* blonde moment

    True, however the other guy never stated it was hers. He never reported it to LE and even stated it may not have been hers. So to this day, no one other than SA seen her leave the property.

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