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    Blood Spatter on the RAV 4 Door

    This is the picture I am curious about. Is this not blood splatter on her Rav4 door. If they just placed her in the car for a moment to explain her bloody hair on the passengers side back cargo panel, then how do they explain how the splatter gets on that door? Does this mean that the door was opened and the attack happened close by to that open door?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticJynx View Post
    This is the picture I am curious about. Is this not blood splatter on her Rav4 door. If they just placed her in the car for a moment to explain her bloody hair on the passengers side back cargo panel, then how do they explain how the splatter gets on that door? Does this mean that the door was opened and the attack happened close by to that open door?


    Based on my experience and training with Tom Bevel, those stains would have occurred while the victim was standing, or at least the point of impact was level if not higher than the stains. Note to "lip" towards the bottom half of the photo. Blood landed on the flat part of the lip. That could only happen if the source of the blood was above the lip. Other staining indicates the blood hit at a higher point and ran downwards. All indications are that the wound that caused this spatter occurred while the victim (wound area) was above this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticJynx View Post
    This is the picture I am curious about. Is this not blood splatter on her Rav4 door. If they just placed her in the car for a moment to explain her bloody hair on the passengers side back cargo panel, then how do they explain how the splatter gets on that door? Does this mean that the door was opened and the attack happened close by to that open door?

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1n...NLdzQ1V2c/view

    this looks like the lab report that tested those stains. A2/A3/A4? I have read the report and I don't see anything that says it was even a DNA match to TH. Weird. Maybe there is something missing.... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinsaint View Post
    Based on my experience and training with Tom Bevel, those stains would have occurred while the victim was standing, or at least the point of impact was level if not higher than the stains. Note to "lip" towards the bottom half of the photo. Blood landed on the flat part of the lip. That could only happen if the source of the blood was above the lip. Other staining indicates the blood hit at a higher point and ran downwards. All indications are that the wound that caused this spatter occurred while the victim (wound area) was above this area.
    So this door was open when the wound to a body happened?

    Could this be consistent with someone standing with their back out and someone whacking them on the head? Possibly while partially bent inside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticJynx View Post
    So this door was open when the wound to a body happened?

    Could this be consistent with someone standing with their back out and someone whacking them on the head? Possibly while partially bent inside?
    I can't say much of anything other than whatever part of the body that was wounded was above whatever that panel is. If that is the rear door panel as seen in the picture, the wound would have been delivered to an area of the body higher than where the blood landed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1n...NLdzQ1V2c/view

    this looks like the lab report that tested those stains. A2/A3/A4? I have read the report and I don't see anything that says it was even a DNA match to TH. Weird. Maybe there is something missing.... ?
    They did a chemical test that indicated it was consistent with blood, but they did not collect DNA from these it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticJynx View Post
    They did a chemical test that indicated it was consistent with blood, but they did not collect DNA from these it seems.
    That's what I seen too.... I worked all day and I'm tired LOL So wasn't sure if I was missing something, thanks for confirming it for me. That does seem strange though, doesn't it?

    Sinsaint ~ thanks for the info, your opinion makes sense looking at the pictures!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticJynx View Post
    They did a chemical test that indicated it was consistent with blood, but they did not collect DNA from these it seems.
    Because if they had it would have been determined to be Teresa's blood and based on the spatter she would have been standing up which would not be consistent with the DA's version of events that had her laying on a garage floor. I can only speculate these spatters are the main reason Fassbender and Weigert were so insistent that the RAV4 be in the garage at the time of the shooting. They could never lead Dassey into saying Teresa was standing up in the garage so this piece of evidence fell through the cracks because it clearly didn't come from a wound of an individual laying below the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1n...NLdzQ1V2c/view

    this looks like the lab report that tested those stains. A2/A3/A4? I have read the report and I don't see anything that says it was even a DNA match to TH. Weird. Maybe there is something missing.... ?
    It is listed in exhibit 313. A2,A3,AND A4 it is the opinion to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty that Halbach is the source of the DNA . Based on the results of the Pap smear sample. This is the report I mentioned before about the wording of things. Where conclusion to unlisted items on the report appear in the without mention of testing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulmagent View Post
    It is listed in exhibit 313. A2,A3,AND A4 it is the opinion to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty that Halbach is the source of the DNA . Based on the results of the Pap smear sample. This is the report I mentioned before about the wording of things. where conclusion to unlisted items on the report appear in the conclusions without mention of testing them.
    ohhhhhh I see it!
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1n...NrV3lZa0U/view

    Thanks Soulmagent! geesh.... why do they crossover like that? why didn't they just keep them all in one report ... or something... easier *sigh*


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    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    ohhhhhh I see it!
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1n...NrV3lZa0U/view

    Thanks Soulmagent! geesh.... why do they crossover like that? why didn't they just keep them all in one report ... or something... easier *sigh*
    I dunno but this report also has descriptions of items that are shifted ever so slightly . Important or not I dunno but it leaves some things unclear or puts one in a position to maybe assume something incorrect is true.IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulmagent View Post
    I dunno but this report also has description of item that are shifted ever so slightly . Important or not I dunno but it leaves some things unclear or puts one in a position to maybe assume something incorrect is true.IMO
    BBM..... kinda like we just shifted ever so slightly over to a new thread hehehe

    And yes, I remember you pointing out some inconsistent wording in these reports. I am going to print them out tomorrow so I can have a better look, they are very confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    BBM..... kinda like we just shifted ever so slightly over to a new thread hehehe

    And yes, I remember you pointing out some inconsistent wording in these reports. I am going to print them out tomorrow so I can have a better look, they are very confusing.
    HA, that explains why I could not edit for a minute.

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    Lets go back to this cargo area. A1 Stain recovered from cargo area and A4 from the metal frame around the rear door of the cargo area. Did you notice that it states...

    In Addition apparent hairs were recovered from items a1 and a4.....
    No Examinations were conducted at this time.

    I don't know if any of you have seen anything about these hairs ever being tested but I did skim through the two that were posted here and didn't see them listed again.

    2nd thing is Item a13a Was not utilized it said.
    Item is a Compact Flash Card that was swabbed from the back cargo area of her Rav4. What happened to the Compact Flash Card? Did they ever retrieve whatever was on that memory card?

    https://drive.googlcomp.com/file/d/0...w?pref=2&pli=1

    Also I think the first report they had her red toothbrush for DNA testing. seems somewhere they got a better sample from the pap smear and possibly retested those samples against DNA from the pap.

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    Here is an earlier lab report... from November 9th. Notably, it describes blood-like stains in two cars. The RAV4 and a Pontiac Grand Am. I take it the Grand Am belongs to SA.



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