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  1. #766
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    This "Muslim convert" business being bandied about should rightly include MSM verification or it should be removed as, as part of an incendiary post, it in effect blames the victim of this tragic circumstance: "He brought it on himself." TOS?

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    It isn't being bandied about. One person joined to post what he/she did and has never posted since. Other posters have stated there's no facts behind the claim. Others have scrolled past and ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Ka View Post
    I tried strongly to ignore this post after reading it first time but reading it second time it brings the same emotions all over again...

    There are many ideas, theories but also pure and wild speculations on this boards but I found this post utterly irresponsible, ignorant, disturbing and disrespectful, especially as we are also joined here by deceased David's family member.

    I have been near King Cross during 2005 bombings, helped evacuating 1000 people and checked them in nearby hotels as everything got shut down, all transport, even mobile networks, mass chaos, usually stoic Londoners crying on the streets, including me. Let me say none of those people near affected areas will ever forget it! I certainly won't.

    To suggest dangerous idea pull out of thin air, based on absolutely nothing... just because someone worked at some point on London underground, might or might not be Muslim and lived as retired in sunny Pakistan...
    Not all Muslims are terrorist, the same as not all Americans are mass shooters.

    One saying I like to share - be careful what you think, as thoughts become words and words become actions...
    Rant over.

    Peace.
    I believe that story has too many holes in it


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    Saddleworth Moor at Night

    Below are some YouTube video screencaps showing Saddleworth Moor after daylight hours. Might be of interest to those wondering how the place looks at late sunset, as well as between dusk & dawn during fair weather.

    Cheeky Overnighter on Saddleworth Moor (Jun 2015) - Sunset @ 3:14 min



    Riding at Night #TopTips (Mar 2016, 2:52 min)
    Cyclists' headlamps + GoPro cam, showing gate at lower area of Saddleworth Moor, followed by walking/ cycling track



    Night Ride in Saddleworth (Nov 2011, 5:28 min)
    Cyclists' headlamps + GoPro cam, showing walking/ cycling track



    Jolly Night Time Jaunt by Tameside Paranormal Researchers (19 Apr 2016, 37:45 min)
    Car headlights + Nightvision cam, at lower area of Saddleworth Moor


    Interestingly, the 2 guys (despite being local to the region) didn't seem to be aware of David Lytton's case. At one point in the video, they were asking (somebody/ nobody/ the air) if it was a child (read: victim of the Ian Brady-Myra Hindley case).

    Some scenes of what they were doing ...



    PS: Probably shouldn't listen for too long, lest your imagination starts hearing the iPhone apps echo "David, David ..."

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    Visual of David Lytton's Final Resting Spot at Saddleworth Moor

    Quote Originally Posted by pinklilies View Post
    DL was found the opposite direction, along Chew track near Chew reservoir which is south of Doves and to the east. Below Robs Rocks area.

    'Mr Lytton's body was discovered at Chew track, near Chew Reservoir, Greenfield by a cyclist.'
    http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/ne...set-to-unravel
    Just to add on, here is a visual of where David Lytton was found on the grass lay-by beside Chew Track, below Rob's Rocks (gritstone crag) & close to Indian's Head Summit (aka Wimberry Rocks, a long black gritstone crag).

    The base image is a screencap from BBC News' interview with cyclist Stuart Crowther (apparently fitted with a GoPro cam for part of the footage), & I have added annotations highlighting features of interest.

    Ref: Cyclist recalls moment he found mystery body on the moor (BBC News - 22 Jun 2016) @ 0:53-1:20 min:



    To recall: David was lying on his back parallel to the tarmac track, with his head pointing towards the summit, his face skywards, arms crossed on chest & legs pointing downhill.

    What's striking to me ...

    1) David had to be in a lucid state of mind to consciously select that particular spot to lie down. It's like a motorcyclist stopping at a telephone booth, or under a flyover along a motorway.

    2) Unless David was using his hands to feel his way around, he seemed able to see the spot where he chose to lie down. As such, either it was not totally dark (11 Dec 2015 before 5:00-5:16 pm; or 12 Dec 2015 after 6:47 am until he was found at ~10:40 am), or he had a torch which subsequently was not recovered.

    3) With his final resting posture, was David trying to reconstruct himself as the eponymous recumbent "Indian" of Indian's Head Summit ?


    See the descriptions of Indian's Head Summit at the bottom. Also, the cyclist Stuart Crowther did emphasize the following about David ...
    @ 0:56 min (video)/ @ 3:56 min (podcast)
    He just looked at peace.

    @ 1:21 min (video) / @ 4:22 min (podcast)
    He just looked like he were having a rest.

    Ref: Aforementioned BBC News video (22 Jun 2016)
    Ref: 'Body on the Moor' Podcast Episode 1 (BBC Radio 4 World At One - 07 Jun 2016)


    Approach to Rob's Rocks (UKClimbing.com)

    Park at Dovestones pay and display. Flog up Chew road for about 45 minutes until the crag can be seen on the left after rounding a bend in the road.

    Interview with Kevin Thaw, native Chew Valley climber (UKClimbing.com - Jan 2012)

    Wimberry [Rocks/Stones] is certainly a venue I hold quite dear even though it's gaining repute as one of the greenest venues anywhere. [...] As a wee youth, the black gritstone of colloquially dubbed "Indian's Head" (lying on his back looking skyward wearing a long feather) was pelt free, one could have roamed anywhere upon its flank without having to strip any green fur.

    Indian's Head (Geograph UK)

    The jagged rocky skyline of Wimberry Stones, to the south of Dove Stone Reservoir, is created by a group of small crags that are known locally as "The Indian's Head" due to their resemblance to an Indian's face that is looking upwards.
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    Lightbulb The Man on the Moor (2013 Short Film)

    I recently chanced upon a British short film that bears some coincidental resemblances to David Lytton's final hours at Saddleworth Moor. I wonder if David might have seen the film at a film fest, or perhaps online at Vimeo ?

    The film is called 'The Man on the Moor' directed by Steven Rosam, & written by Peter Ward & Steven Rosam based on an original story by Peter Ward. It was shot on location at the moorland of Dartmoor National Park. First released in 2013 on the film festival circuit, the full film was published at Vimeo on 06 Jun 2013 & 21 Oct 2015, as well as at YouTube on 24 May 2016.

    THE MAN ON THE MOOR (13:32 min): YouTube , vimeo.com/67794269 , vimeo.com/143140952

    The film could possibly shed some light on the questions of "Why ?" & "Why there ?" -- or as least for the David in the film. Yes, the protagonist walking on the moor is called David too.

    NB: The actor Richard Keith Johnson who played the other main character (an old man lying on the ground at the moor) passed away at age 87 in Chelsea, London on 05 Jun 2015 -- 6 months 6 or 7 days (= 189 or 190 days) before David Lytton @ David Keith Lautenberg passed away at the age of 67 on 11 Dec night or 12 Dec morning, 2015.


    Film synopses ...

    http://www.bitlanders.com/blogs/even...-brown/1422724

    The judges responded to the odd encounter between a man going for a walk into his own personal wilderness and an old fellow lying on the ground, who gives him some parting words of wisdom.
    http://www.festivalfocus.org/film/67...an-on-the-moor

    A dying man finds peace...
    Wandering along the moors in a daze, David stumbles across an injured elderly farmer and tries to help him. He's unable to save him, but in the process David learns to accept his own death and is finally able to say goodbye to his beloved daughter.
    http://filmshortage.com/trailers/the-man-on-the-moor

    In going to the aid of another, a sick and troubled man finds peace and comfort.

    Below are some screenshots that I took of the film ...




    1) For the curious, see the spoiler section below for my summary ...

     Click to show spoiler



    2) And in the spoiler section below, I quote the conversation between David & the old man lying on the ground at the moor. It tells us why the film's David is up on the moor.

    The said conversation ends with the old man advising, "It's the same with death, David. You have to accept it ... not fight it. That's the way ... you'll find peace." -- which brings to my mind David Lytton's choice of final resting spot & posture, as well as cyclist Stuart Crowther's description of David mentioned in my previous post.

     Click to show spoiler

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    Lightbulb The Man on the Moor (2013 Short Film)

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    Lightbulb The Man on the Moor (2013 Short Film)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrokenBrick View Post
    I recently chanced upon a British short film that bears some coincidental resemblances to David Lytton's final hours at Saddleworth Moor. I wonder if David might have seen the film at a film fest, or perhaps online at Vimeo ?

    The film is called 'The Man on the Moor' directed by Steven Rosam, & written by Peter Ward & Steven Rosam based on an original story by Peter Ward. It was shot on location at the moorland of Dartmoor National Park. First released in 2013 on the film festival circuit, the full film was published at Vimeo on 06 Jun 2013 & 21 Oct 2015, as well as at YouTube on 24 May 2016.

    THE MAN ON THE MOOR (13:32 min): YouTube , vimeo.com/67794269 , vimeo.com/143140952

    The film could possibly shed some light on the questions of "Why ?" & "Why there ?" -- or as least for the David in the film. Yes, the protagonist walking on the moor is called David too.

    NB: The actor Richard Keith Johnson who played the other main character (an old man lying on the ground at the moor) passed away at age 87 in Chelsea, London on 05 Jun 2015 -- 6 months 6 or 7 days (= 189 or 190 days) before David Lytton @ David Keith Lautenberg passed away at the age of 67 on 11 Dec night or 12 Dec morning, 2015.


    Film synopses ...








    Below are some screenshots that I took of the film ...




    1) For the curious, see the spoiler section below for my summary ...

     Click to show spoiler



    2) And in the spoiler section below, I quote the conversation between David & the old man lying on the ground at the moor. It tells us why the film's David is up on the moor.

    The said conversation ends with the old man advising, "It's the same with death, David. You have to accept it ... not fight it. That's the way ... you'll find peace." -- which brings to my mind David Lytton's choice of final resting spot & posture, as well as cyclist Stuart Crowther's description of David mentioned in my previous post.

     Click to show spoiler
    That makes much more sense , he was a fan of the actor

    What do you think of this book

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/man-moor-Jo...an+on+the+moor


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    If the short film had been made and the book been written after David Lytton's life had ended I'd most definitely think they were based on him.
    Too much of a coincidence to think that DL was not aware of the two.


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    Would it be possible David has a child in Pakistan? And that's where the money went


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    Saw this and thought of you lot!

    His name was Henry Summers - but who was he?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39429128

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    Posting this somewhat o/t, but imo, related link, in light of Mr David Lytton's former job at a subway station.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...rink-1.4094794
    What a TTC worker said to a man on subway tracks to bring him back from the brink

    'I will be your mentor,' John Paul Attard said to the man, an incident one expert says could help others

    By Shanifa Nasser, CBC News Posted: May 02, 2017
    Attard asked the man on the tracks: '"Are you having a bad day?"' (CBC)
    "I said to him, 'Are you having a bad day?'" Attard said. "He says, 'Yes, I want to hurt myself.' That's when I just kind of embraced him and hugged him."
    Around 15 people killed each year

    "Let me hold you," Attard said. They began to talk and the conversation spanned from the future to hip hop music and what the future holds.
    Tragedy 'extends beyond the individual'

    Earlier this year, spokesperson Brad Ross acknowledged suicides were also linked to absenteeism within the agency — especially among subway operators.

    Green agrees.
    "The tragedy of someone losing their life or being severely and permanently injured extends beyond the individual and his or her family. The train crew, witnesses and other TTC personnel involved in suicide incidents face possible life-altering post-traumatic stress disorder."
    That's something Attard, who says he grapples every day with his own mental illness, has seen first-hand.
    Attard says he has lost three fellow TTC employees to suicide over his 24-year career with the agency.
    Green declined to disclose the number of employees who have died from suicide and would not comment on how job stress might contribute to such cases.
    Over the course of those 20 minutes on the track, Attard says he could eventually see light in the face of the man he had met in distress.

    Moment was 'life-changing'

    "I put my hands on his temples and had him repeat, 'I am strong, I am strong.'"
    In an unforgettable moment, he asked others to join in. Soon, virtually everyone on the north and southbound platforms could be heard repeating the phrase in one resounding voice.
    rbbm.

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