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    CA - Wilmington, WhtMale 1155UMCA, 17-25, off Terminal Island Freeway, Feb'73

    Forgive me if there is already a thread for this John Doe. I could not find one and this is such a tragic case.
    I found a bit about him on "The unidentified and possible missing victims of Randy Kraft" but I thought it would be good if he had his own thread. If there is already one, please delete!

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1155umca.html

    Date of Discovery: February 6, 1973 Location of Discovery: Wilmington, Los Angeles County, California
    Estimated Date of Death: 1-2 days prior
    State of Remains: Recognizable face
    Cause of Death: Homicide by strangulation

    Physical Description

    ** Listed information is approximate
    Estimated Age: 17-25 years old
    Race: White
    Gender: Male
    Height: 5'7" to 5'8"
    Weight: 138-143 lbs.
    Hair Color: Brown
    Eye Color: Brown

    Distinguishing Marks/Features: Numerous thin, old scars on his lower right leg. He has Type "A" blood.

    Dentals: Available.
    Fingerprints: Available.
    DNA: Not available.
    Clothing & Personal Items

    Clothing: None.

    Jewelry: None.

    Additional Personal Items: Unknown


    Case History

    The victim was found nude in a ditch beside the Terminal Island Freeway at the Pacific Coast Highway. He is believed to be a victim of serial-killer Randy Kraft.

    Here's the NamUs link, no rule-outs listed:

    https://identifyus.org/cases/4465
    Last edited by Springrain; 01-27-2016 at 02:17 AM.
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    Carl's reconstruction of Wilmington John Doe:

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    I think he has a thread buried here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvaldez1975 View Post
    I think he has a thread buried here.
    No, there wasn't. He was discussed on the Randy Kraft UID victims thread, but he didn't have his own thread until now. Thanks Springrain

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    Oh great! Sometimes I forget if I saw a post here or saw it on doe.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    No, there wasn't. He was discussed on the Randy Kraft UID victims thread, but he didn't have his own thread until now. Thanks Springrain

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    I'd say he looks like Norman Prater (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1478dmtx.html) but Prater's eyes are blue and his ears stick out.

    Poor guy, whoever he is.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    He has fingerprints and dentals available--no DNA.

    I heard that all of Los Angeles County's UIDs are cremated, although I can't source that, but if that's the case, then it seems there's no way to salvage his DNA unfortunately we just really have to hope that a missing person matches with dentals or fingerprints...but DNA is the most common identifier...
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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    I'd say he looks like Norman Prater (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1478dmtx.html) but Prater's eyes are blue and his ears stick out.

    Poor guy, whoever he is.
    Norman Prater appears to not have a NamUs profile...hopefully there is one created for him soon!
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    It's not impossible to get DNA even if the body was cremated. Obviously they can't get a sample from the body but in a homicide investigation, they typically save physical evidence which could include clothing that might have blood or hair samples.

    Obviously that doesn't help this UID who was found naked. However, they did type his blood so at one time they had a sample.

    Quote Originally Posted by Springrain View Post
    He has fingerprints and dentals available--no DNA.

    I heard that all of Los Angeles County's UIDs are cremated, although I can't source that, but if that's the case, then it seems there's no way to salvage his DNA unfortunately we just really have to hope that a missing person matches with dentals or fingerprints...but DNA is the most common identifier...

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    I'd say he looks like Norman Prater (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1478dmtx.html) but Prater's eyes are blue and his ears stick out.

    Poor guy, whoever he is.
    I was coming to post the exact same thing only I found him on Charley Project. It says he has brown or blue eyes on there. Quite a difference between brown and blue.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...er_norman.html
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    Has Kraft himself commented on this murder? Sometimes the things killers say can be useful in identifying victims, or at least getting more info.
    Everything I ever say is my own opinion, I never intend to offend anyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelda_s View Post
    Has Kraft himself commented on this murder? Sometimes the things killers say can be useful in identifying victims, or at least getting more info.
    He logged a victim in his scorecard as "Wilmington" and this guy was killed the same way as his other victims. But he never commented on this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelda_s View Post
    Has Kraft himself commented on this murder? Sometimes the things killers say can be useful in identifying victims, or at least getting more info.
    To this day, Kraft maintains his innocence, despite that he was pulled over with a dead man in his passenger seat, and despite the overwhelming additional evidence of his guilt.

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    John_Doe_1973.jpg This is a composite from his NamUs link

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelda_s View Post
    Has Kraft himself commented on this murder? Sometimes the things killers say can be useful in identifying victims, or at least getting more info.
    AFAIK, Kraft still denies that he committed any of the murders that he was convicted or suspected of.

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