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    if john and patsy.....

    just say they did commit this crime or one of them did, why on earth would they cover for one another?? I would kill for my child, husband or not i dont care i would not cover for them no matter what! Dont you think if they were involved one of them would have slipped up by now? Go easy on me i am fairly new, lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by michelle
    just say they did commit this crime or one of them did, why on earth would they cover for one another?? I would kill for my child, husband or not i dont care i would not cover for them no matter what! Dont you think if they were involved one of them would have slipped up by now? Go easy on me i am fairly new, lol...
    i think because both have their "secrets"...
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    Well, my take on that is - If John knew Patsy had done it.... She would be arrested and go to prison for life. For John that would mean he had buried 2 daughters, have an unbelievably traumatized son and watch his 2nd wife rot in prison.

    For Patsy it would mean her meal ticket would go to jail and no longer provide for her.
    Above is my opinion only

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brefie
    For Patsy it would mean her meal ticket would go to jail and no longer provide for her.
    My thoughts run in that direction, personally.

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    I just cant understand if patsy did it, and say it was an "accident" why would john cover for her....or vice versa, because that would mean that one of the parents was not involved in the actual murder just the cover up and i love my hubby and if something happened to him our family would have some problems financially but we would survive, it just doesnt make any sense to me that if only one parent committed the murder why would they both cover it up......i could see if they both committed the murder...I dont know its all so freaking twisted to me.....And i have always believe in the ramseys innocence, i used to think they were guilty then changed my opinion.....Now i am reading PMPT and i have alot of things i think dont add up, owell....i hope jon benet gets the justice she deserves one day...

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    I'm beginning to like one of the sons or both of the sons for this crime. I tend to agree w/ Blue Crab, the only person/people P and J would protect would be in their immediate family. BR seems awfully young to have done this alone. I cannot find anything on John's older son JAR's alibi, although I'm sure there are threads somewhere. I think he had one, but is it airtight? Could he have snuck home and surprised JBR and BR? Dressed as Santa? Serving pineapple and tea? Could he have been introducing sex games to his 1/2 sibs? If they were protecting both of their sons, after losing their daughter, it might make sense. I don't think Patsy would protect only JAR but if BR were there, too? Then again, considering the "meal ticket" aspect, protecting JAR is possible as well. Who knows about his alibi?

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    I dont believe they are protecting each other. They made every attempt to protect the secret and the abuser. By reporting an accident, inquiries would be made, but they would receive tons of attention and sympathy as the parents of a kidnapped child. Being suspected of murder was preferrable to being postively identified as child sexual abusers. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpar
    I dont believe they are protecting each other. They made every attempt to protect the secret and the abuser. By reporting an accident, inquiries would be made, but they would receive tons of attention and sympathy as the parents of a kidnapped child. Being suspected of murder was preferrable to being postively identified as child sexual abusers. IMO
    Hi sharpar.... I am a little unclear on what you are saying. Is it that you believe the parents (or one of them) was sexually abusing her and it all went wrong, so they killed her and tried to make it look like an intruder? So that they wouldn't be identified as monsters? I would love to hear your theory if you have one - or even just your hunches.
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    Like i said before i have changed my opinion to believe that they are innocent but i still have lots of things i dont understand and i am finding myself to be wavering back and forth, i dont understand how a parent could cover up the murder of their child for another parent, but i can see how the parents would cover up for another family member such as a sibling......just my opinion though. even though that is just as sick......but thats more realistic to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brefie
    Well, my take on that is - If John knew Patsy had done it.... She would be arrested and go to prison for life. For John that would mean he had buried 2 daughters, have an unbelievably traumatized son and watch his 2nd wife rot in prison.

    For Patsy it would mean her meal ticket would go to jail and no longer provide for her.
    My sentiments exactly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eve
    I'm beginning to like one of the sons or both of the sons for this crime. I tend to agree w/ Blue Crab, the only person/people P and J would protect would be in their immediate family. BR seems awfully young to have done this alone. I cannot find anything on John's older son JAR's alibi, although I'm sure there are threads somewhere. I think he had one, but is it airtight? Could he have snuck home and surprised JBR and BR? Dressed as Santa? Serving pineapple and tea? Could he have been introducing sex games to his 1/2 sibs? If they were protecting both of their sons, after losing their daughter, it might make sense. I don't think Patsy would protect only JAR but if BR were there, too? Then again, considering the "meal ticket" aspect, protecting JAR is possible as well. Who knows about his alibi?

    Eve
    JAR has an iron clad alibi.
    He was in Atlanta at the time of the murder, with movie ticket stubs to prove he was at some movie. Also he was photographed at a ATM and had the receipt.
    Still, some believe he could have been in Boulder and could be responsible for JonBenet's death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brefie
    Hi sharpar.... I am a little unclear on what you are saying. Is it that you believe the parents (or one of them) was sexually abusing her and it all went wrong, so they killed her and tried to make it look like an intruder? So that they wouldn't be identified as monsters? I would love to hear your theory if you have one - or even just your hunches.
    Yes I believe someone in her immediate family was molesting her; during the last incident of abuse she died. They came up with intruder to take the blame for the evidence of abuse and explain her death. They were counting on LE and all of us to believe she was molested and murdered by a monster deviant intruder. Isnt that the problem with monsters? They never look like what they are until its too late for their victims. How could we ever suspect these perfect indulging CHRISTIAN parents of anything so horrible ? While it didnt go exactly the way they hoped they did manage to do enough that confused and obstructed things to cause doubt, not be arrested or charged and maintain alot of support, attention and sympathy. It is preferrable to be only under the suspicion of murder ( they get to claim they are victims of LE who are accusing them to cover their poor work ) than to be postively identified as child molesters. The autopsy was done and report was made public telling all of us what they tried so hard to hide. That little girl was sexually abused to death. We know what, we know where, we know when, the only real mystery is who is the abuser ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by narlacat
    JAR has an iron clad alibi.
    He was in Atlanta at the time of the murder, with movie ticket stubs to prove he was at some movie. Also he was photographed at a ATM and had the receipt.
    Still, some believe he could have been in Boulder and could be responsible for JonBenet's death.

    narlacat,

    JAR does indeed have an ironclad alibi, but he remains my number two suspect. After all, a person doesn't have to be in town to be charged with murder.

    JAR's blue suitcase, found under the basement window, contained some interesting items. For instance, it contained the bedspread from JAR's bed which had his semen on it; it contained a Dr. Seuss book with JAR's name on it; and fibers from the bedspread were found on JonBenet's genital area.

    The items in the suitcase suggest a possible sexual encounter could have recently occurred between JonBenet and JAR, but not necessarily on the day of the murder. Could JAR have been the tutor of erotic asphyxiation games for JonBenet and Burke? Was JAR in Boulder on the 23rd? Was JonBenet ready to reveal some dark secrets and had to be shut up?

    JAR's alibi seems almost too perfect. Did he put a contract out on JonBenet?

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    Hi Bluecrab
    They are big questions you ask.
    The facts you mentioned, along with the boatman story, certainly make you wonder...
    Does anyone know where JAR is these days....he'd have to be 30 odd....has he married?? Has he got kids?? Just curious....
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    Quote Originally Posted by narlacat
    Hi Bluecrab
    They are big questions you ask.
    The facts you mentioned, along with the boatman story, certainly make you wonder...
    Does anyone know where JAR is these days....he'd have to be 30 odd....has he married?? Has he got kids?? Just curious....
    He's married to Jordan - information courtesy of John Ramsey during his election campaign. I remember his wife's name because there is a British celebrity called Jordan who has made her living out of having enormous (silicone) breasts! Regarding what he is doing now, for some reason, I am thinking Detroit and finance but don't take that as gospel. I'm not especially interested in the private lives of the Ramsey family and I pay scant attention to stories about them
    This is only my opinion

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